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I like the fact that Trump is slapping all those shitheads that dare challenge him. I really do.

Having seen the National Review crowd (three of them) on Megan's show, I was thinking they needed to get to the vet, get their shots and get socialized. Simply rabid, they were.

Do they not realize no one gives a crap about their ignorant wailing? And the fact that they do not get to pick the President?
 
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Despite his lead in the polls, what makes me skeptical about Trump’s path to the nomination is that he only wins if This Time Is Different. He wins if celebrity culture has completely rewritten the rules and overturned everything everybody knows about running a campaign. And over the years, a lot of people have come to grief thinking that This Time Is Different.

A very smart analysis at RealClearPolitics describes how we can already see in Iowa the way Trump’s campaign might fall apart. As actual voting approaches and people start being influenced by something other than Trump-addicted national news — by local news, television ads, direct mail, and so on — Trump’s dominance fades. If all he’s got is the Trump Media Death Star, he’s vulnerable when it fails.

http://thefederalist.com/2016/...rump-cruz-and-rubio/

This is what I have thought for months was what would happen to Trump. He has lots of apparent support, but he will not actually get the votes in the primaries.

I could be wrong, and I am less sure of that now than I was two months ago, but I still think that Trump will not get nearly as many votes in the primaries as the current polls suggest.

What do you guys think of the arguments made in this article by the FiveThirtyEight guy? Sadly, they seem pretty compelling, in terms of what Trump's true likelihood of even getting the nomination is, at least historically.
 
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It’s On! National Review Goes After Trump, Trump Swings Back

http://dailycaller.com/2016/01...p-trump-swings-back/

I've spent the morning reading those editorials and every one of them is right on the money. And, Trump responds in typical fashion by trying to marginalize some of the most respected conservatives in the country. Roll Eyes

Hopefully this will have some effect in stopping him, but I suspect that too many people want our next first lady to be someone who's posed nude for a magazine. Because...well...it'd be cool. And she's hawt!

I sincerely hope the voters wake up soon or we are truly fucked.


Curious what the Thomas Sowell supporters think of his blistering comments on Mr. Trump? MG
 
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I sincerely hope the voters wake up soon or we are truly fucked.
I am so tired of seeing this nonsense.

Good God, there is no other viable candidate, including Ted Freaking Cruz. He's too far Right to win in a general election.

Tell me, Gustofer, just WHO you think is coming to the rescue? Tell me- by name- who, please. Tell me.
 
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I want to hear both the Right and the Left admitting the truth, which is that their combined, self-serving bullshit over the last few years has brought us to the point that a brash, arrogant New York billionaire is now the champion of the people of this nation.

They are responsible for all of this. All of it. Reap the wind, sow the whirlwind, fools.

Preach it.
 
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I support Trump and I am quite awake, thank you. It is the Trump haters that are snoozing, for they cannot see what the last 7 years have done to politics in this country.
 
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Real Clear poll averages show Cruz is clearly on par if not beating Clinton.


That's right.

General Election: Trump vs. Clinton: Clinton +2.5
General Election: Cruz vs. Clinton: Cruz +0.6

http://www.realclearpolitics.c...vs_clinton-4034.html

I actually think either one of them would beat Clinton.



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
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I just can't get enough of the pissing and moaning about Trump. Really, post of some more of that "We're screwed if Trump is elected". Go ahead, so that I can call you an establishment-loving idiot.
 
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I sincerely hope the voters wake up soon or we are truly fucked.
I am so tired of seeing this nonsense.

Good God, there is no other viable candidate, including Ted Freaking Cruz. He's too far Right to win in a general election.


Trump, out of every single candidate out there, Democrat or Republican, has the best chance of getting to the White House. This is not rocket science. And you're correct; Cruz (who I like a lot) is not going to appeal to independents. No Democrats will vote for him, yet Trump will pull in some Dems because of their displeasure with both Bernie and Hillary. I know people like this.

And Cruz cannot be compared to Reagan in any sense. Reagan had instant name recognition back in the 70s. The guy was on Dean Martin's roast several times for God's sakes. He was a celebrity. And there is one guy today who has that name recognition. And it ain't Cruz.



"I’m not going to read Time Magazine, I’m not going to read Newsweek, I’m not going to read any of these magazines; I mean, because they have too much to lose by printing the truth"- Bob Dylan, 1965
 
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I took my post down because it really doesn't matter. We are all on the same side at the end of the day and it will play out how it plays out, but this scorched earth policy of Trump has really set off a civil war.
 
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Ten days away from the Iowa caucus process.

A couple Rep candidates will probably drop out due to poor showing.


adding:

When you consider any of the Rep candidates, think about what Barack Hussein Obama has done to our country over the last 7 years. Hillary would be an extension of that.

I want the candidate who will be most aggressive in undoing all of Obama's policies, executive orders, obamacare, and just massively cleaning house in DoJ, IRS, EPA, HUD, etc.

scorched earth approach. fuck the Democrats
 
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I just can't get enough of the pissing and moaning about Trump. Really, post of some more of that "We're screwed if Trump is elected". Go ahead, so that I can call you an establishment-loving idiot.


I've always known there was an establishment.

But I used to think I was part of it.




Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
 
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Donald Trump: You Should Vote For Me Because, Unlike Cruz, I Can Make Deals With the Democrats;
"You've Got to Be a Little Bit Establishment"

Donald Trump is that guy on Survivor who has made mutually-conflicting promises of alliances with everyone in the game.

Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump said Thursday there's nothing wrong with a little deal-making to get things done.

"You know what? There's a point at which: Let's get to be a little establishment," Trump told about 1,500 people at a rally at the Las Vegas South Point Resort and Casino. "We've got to get things done folks, OK? Believe me, don't worry. We're going to make such great deals."

...

"Guys like Ted Cruz will never make a deal because he's a strident guy," Trump said.

Trump, who has been all over the map on every issue, is now all over the map on the central argument of his candidacy.

Cruz is too strident? We have to make deals with Democrats?
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/361162.php

Roll Eyes



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
-rduckwor
 
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What do you guys think of the arguments made in this article by the FiveThirtyEight guy? Sadly, they seem pretty compelling, in terms of what Trump's true likelihood of even getting the nomination is, at least historically.


The one point that stands out to me there is that Trump's supporters now are all he's got and all he'll ever have. With that statement, I am talking about the primaries, not the general election, which is a different problem. But in the primaries, I don't think Trump will pick up too many of the other candidates' voters as they drop out. So he is not going to get too many more voters than he has now. Those voters will go to other contenders.

In the general election, he will be able to get votes from GOP voters who didn't want him as the candidate, but who will vote for him over any Democrat. But he won't get much of the middle of the country, undecideds, or voters who are otherwise apathetic. Now, on the other side, Clinton may have the same problem to some extent, but I think to a much lesser extent. She'll get some women who will vote for her as a woman, even though they aren't real lefties. I think Clinton will do better with moderates than will Trump. Plus, I think the lefties are steadily growing in numbers in general, much as I hate that.

So, I'd rather nominate a candidate that will be better able to get some of the moderate/middle of the voters because that is how the GOP can win in the general election. Remember, Trump will win Texas (and Utah, etc.), as will any Republican. To win the general election, the GOP has to win some of the big swing states like Pennsylvania or Florida. I don't think Trump can do that.

I think if we get Trump as the nominee, we get Clinton as President.

I'd love to have something de-rail Clinton, because the Bern will have a much harder time in a general election. But I think the chances of that are very low, and the GOP will face Clinton in the election.




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Just stow it. Goddamn, you guys are like a broken record. You don't like Trump and he's horrible- the worst guy, ever. If he's elected, the planet will explode. OK? Freaking happy now?

Stop all the whining. I'm sick of it. Some of you guys- NOTHING in the political realm- NOTHING makes you happy, and I am SICK of hearing it.
 
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I've always known there was an establishment.
But I used to think I was part of it.

Ya? ... and we used to like you, too!
Big Grin

Maybe it's a moving target....
I don't think "the establishment" is what it was in the '50's.



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
-rduckwor
 
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I've always known there was an establishment.
But I used to think I was part of it.

Ya? ... and we used to like you, too!
Big Grin

Maybe it's a moving target....
I don't think "the establishment" is what it was in the '50's.


I used to be "the man." But I haven't kept anyone down in a coon's age.




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I've always known there was an establishment.

But I used to think I was part of it.


Jesus. Great Post Jallen.

ETA: This mirrors my exact situation as well.


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We can't win by 1% this time. It has to be big. An avalanche, rolling down hill, gathering strength as it goes.

There is that possibility.

But, like I pointed out above, Cruz is actually polling better against Hillary than Trump is.
I think either one of them would beat Clinton.

Carson... isn't going anywhere, so not worth the discussion.



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
-rduckwor
 
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The election won't be against Hillary or Bernie. The hag is going to be indicted and dem's will flee from Bernie. Uncle Joe will be drafted. I can't wait for the debates.
 
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