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Bad dog! |
Do you see Rubio attacking Bush? Christie attacking Perry? Any Republican attacking any Republican except Trump? It is the MSM, establishment Republicans and Democrats against Trump. Or to put it the other way around: Trump against them. Right now I'm rooting for Trump. ______________________________________________________ "You get much farther with a kind word and a gun than with a kind word alone." | |||
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posting without pants |
Kind of a dick move to question McCain's service. That was too far IMO. You don't have to like his politics or him personally but you can deny his service. Strive to live your life so when you wake up in the morning and your feet hit the floor, the devil says "Oh crap, he's up." | |||
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I don't think he questioned his service, just giving him the title of "hero". McCain has never been a hero in my eyes. I'm not saying that in a disrespectful manner. I know he went through a personal hell in Vietnam, and I respect him for that, but I hardly think that deserves a hero title. That's my take after 40 years now of being involved with the DOD, active and civilian, to include combat tours. Others may see different, but the term "hero" has been diluted too much by attaching it to anyone for damn near anything. This guy always stood out to me, and he deserves the title of hero in my mind. Others deserve it as well, but it's guys like this you want by your side. He has since passed. This is a short video about the recently released book "Legend" written about him. If you don't have time to watch the 25 minute video below, at least check this one out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzQKOOoIsCo If you got 25 minutes of time to watch this video, maybe you'll understand why I say what I do. He says it all in the last 2 minutes. This is his speech after being presented the Medal of Honor by President Ronald Reagan. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oUtJxE4sjs Old School German Sigs,....Quality and Reliability you can consistently depend on, right out of the box. **Remembering 9/11/2001 Celebrating 5/1/2011** OPUS DEI CUM PECUNIA ALIENUM EFFICEMUS | |||
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tundrav84wd, I didn't know there was a book out about Staff Sergeant Roy Benavidez thanks for the heads up. I posted about Special Forces Staff Sergeant Roy Benavidez a few years ago on this forum. Ronald Reagen said, if hollywood wrote a movie about Staff Sergeant Roy Benavidez you wouldn't believe it. Sorry for the thread drift. ______________________________________________________________________________ My grandfather voted republican until the day he died, now he votes democrat. | |||
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Thanks for the linked video. This man is a true Hero. | |||
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Nullus Anxietas |
What gives you the notion SF is a "conservative" venue? From every poll and question I've ever seen come up: More libertarian than conservative. "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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McCain volunteered for combat duty (when he easily could have avoided it, daddy being an admiral and all) and flew over 23 combat missions in North Vietnam, was awarded the Bronze Star and Navy Commendation medal. Was injured while attempting to rescue sailors during the Forrestal fire. Volunteered to transfer to the Oriskany,to continue to fly. And during his time as a POW refused to be released when given the opportunity by the NVA. As for Trump, he took over the family business a year out of college while the Viet Nam war was still on. | |||
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It is embarrassing to even try to compare Trump to McCain. McCain served honorably as a soldier in Vietnam and as a rational public servant. Trump is just an loudmouth fool who would demean public office. | |||
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Rational public servant? What John McCain are you talking about? "I'm sorry, did I break your concentration"? | |||
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Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
Eh? ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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Yeah, can't go with that. McCain served at a time when many actively avoided service, so I thank him for his service and sacrifice at that time. That time was almost 50 years ago. Since that time, I abhor McCain and his political positions. It's way past time for him to exit public life, the sooner the better. Serving honorably does not give someone a lifetime pass from criticism. John Kerry served and I think he is one of the most vile cretins to ever inhabit public office. And as someone who has served, I will say that trying to silence anyone who has not served and telling them that their opinion doesn't matter goes against the very reason I served. Military service is not a requirement to having an opinion on a politician in this country. “Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” - John Adams | |||
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| I believe in the principle of Due Process  |
Anybody can have an opinion about anything. Some opinions are better then others. I have an opinion about playing bagpipe, despite having never played it. I think you will agree that military service modifies one's opinions about it, one way or the other, in many cases depending on which service branch one was in, whether officer or enlisted, volunteer or draftee, and what one's duties were. Someone who has played varsity football in school has a different view of it than those who have not. Someone who has flown onto and off of carriers looks at it differently than those of us who have not. The brotherhood of veterans customarily does not deprecate the honorable service of another. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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Sure, all of that is true, but to me arguments are different from opinions. Arguments should stand or fall on their own merits, regardless of the person making the argument. Example: I do not like or enjoy the game of soccer. That is an opinion. Example: I think soccer is a bad game because A, B, C and D. That is an argument. Sure, my experience and background color how I approach an argument, but judge the argument on the merits. When stating an opinion, giving the background and reason for the opinion does matter. Have you ever played the game, do you know the rules, have you ever watched a game - that can give insight into the opinion, but does not invalidate it. I'm allowed to have that opinion - you can make arguments to try to change my mind, but simply saying that since I never played the game I'm wrong for not liking it is weak and lazy. When the Gulf War was starting it was fashionable for people to make the argument that unless you served in combat your opinion on whether or not the US should intervene in Iraq was not valid. That's simply ludicrous and indefensible. “Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” - John Adams | |||
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| I believe in the principle of Due Process |
In debating, you must prepare arguments for each side, and rebuttal for each, as you may be on either side at the debate. In real life, your opinion selects the arguments you may make to reinforce your opinion. IOW, the arguments are merely opinions recast. The Gulf War opinion situation is ludicrous, as the requirement of combat service has nothing to do with the political question. It might as well be "unless you are a bowler, your opinion isn't worth having." That said, someone who is BTDT might have some insights a bowler might not. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money  |
Yes, well in my opinion, playing bagpipe and bowling are not to be mixed as metaphors. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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Get Off My Lawn |
And this is not a rational statement. McCain was and is the opposite of a rational servant. The guy just recently called out thousands of his constituents in his home state and labeled them all as "crazies" for attending a speech by Trump. The guy has been punch drunk and incompetent for decades. "I’m not going to read Time Magazine, I’m not going to read Newsweek, I’m not going to read any of these magazines; I mean, because they have too much to lose by printing the truth"- Bob Dylan, 1965 | |||
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| Bad dog! |
McCain's time as a POW is open to question and controversy. Check out the "Vietnam Vets Against McCain" videos on YouTube. Personally, I make no judgments one way or the other on his service. I don't need to do so. He has a decades long record of helping the Democrats undermine and weaken this country. He has seven years of kissing Barack Hussein Obama's ass. (Yes, I included the "Hussein" even though as a candidate for POTUS McCain forbade his staff from saying "Hussein," and suggested that anyone who used it was a bigot.) I wouldn't care if 50 years ago McCain was the equivalent of Audie Murphy. He has done immense damage to this country. His service- even if it were stellar-- would not excuse his disgraceful 40 year political career. Benedict Arnold was a brilliant and brave commander before he turned traitor. ______________________________________________________ "You get much farther with a kind word and a gun than with a kind word alone." | |||
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| I believe in the principle of Due Process |
You don't know your metaphors from your euphemisms!  since you have never taken a bagpipe bowling.Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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safe & sound |
Personally, I am glad he made the comment. Never in my life have I seen so many on the left take a break from bashing our military to put their foot down in support of our war heros. | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money |
If you've been in my bowling bag, I'll need better protection!  "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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