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^^^ That's the truth!!!




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Posts: 38601 | Location: SC Lowcountry/Cape Cod | Registered: November 22, 2002Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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FBI Shoots Down Dem 'Conspiracy Theory' That Jan. 6 Capitol Riot Was Pre-Planned

https://www.zerohedge.com/poli...organized-conspiracy

Many Democratic leaders, including - most notably - Nancy Pelosi refuse to let go of the notion that the Jan. 6 "attack" on the Capitol was a terror attack on par with 9/11 or the Pulse nightclub shootings. Why? Because, they claim, the whole seige was planned and perpetrated by shadowy militia groups like the Oath Keepers, working in concert with Republican lawmakers.

Dems also blame President Trump for instigating the incident (the supposed reason behind Twitter and Facebook banning his accounts).

But according to a scoop from Reuters published Friday, prosecutors who once planned to try and lay charges of sedition, conspiracy or other serious offenses against members of the Oath Keepers and other militia groups have been stymied by the reality of what actually happened. And now that the first (surprisingly stiff) jail sentences have been handed down, the FBI has apparently determined that there's "scant evidence" to suggest that the events of Jan. 6 resulted from an "organized plot", according to a scoop published by Reuters.

In other words, it's a repudiation of prosecutors' claims that "trespassing plus thought crime = terrorism".

The FBI tells Reuters that "95%" of these cases are "one offs". And even among the "5%" who were more organized, there is still no evidence of a "grand scheme" to overthrow Congress and install President Trump for a second term.

Though federal officials have arrested more than 570 alleged participants, the FBI at this point believes the violence was not centrally coordinated by far-right groups or prominent supporters of then-President Donald Trump, according to the sources, who have been either directly involved in or briefed regularly on the wide-ranging investigations.

"Ninety to ninety-five percent of these are one-off cases," said a former senior law enforcement official with knowledge of the investigation. "Then you have five percent, maybe, of these militia groups that were more closely organized. But there was no grand scheme with Roger Stone and Alex Jones and all of these people to storm the Capitol and take hostages."

But that's not even the most disappointing bit for Pelosi, who is trying to use her Jan. 6 Committee to punish GOP colleagues. Because the FBI also told Reuters that there's no evidence that Trump, or people around him, were involved in organizing the unrest.

But the FBI has so far found no evidence that [Trump] or people directly around him were involved in organizing the violence, according to the four current and former law enforcement officials.

The report specifically cited "dirty trickster" Roger Stone (who was famously taken into custody by a SWAT team for a perp walk in front of CNN cameras) and InfoWars founder Alex Jones.

Stone, a veteran Republican operative and self-described "dirty trickster", and Jones, founder of a conspiracy-driven radio show and webcast, are both allies of Trump and had been involved in pro-Trump events in Washington on Jan. 5, the day before the riot.

FBI investigators did find that cells of protesters, including followers of the far-right Oath Keepers and Proud Boys groups, had aimed to break into the Capitol. But they found no evidence that the groups had serious plans about what to do if they made it inside, the sources said.

The findings could also help the 40 or so defendants who belong to militia groups, and are facing more serious conspiracy charges. As we first learned a few weeks ago, prosecutors feel they don't have enough evidence to lay charges of "seditious conspiracy", or use the RICO act to target militia groups as if they were an organized criminal gang.

But one source said there has been little, if any, recent discussion by senior Justice Department officials of filing charges such as "seditious conspiracy" to accuse defendants of trying to overthrow the government. They have also opted not to bring racketeering charges, often used against organized criminal gangs.

Senior lawmakers have been briefed on the FBI's findings and find them "credible", according to Reuters. The ultimate takeaway is this: while some groups may have discussed the rally and attendant protest in advance, and while they ultimately may have "worked together" on the day in question, there's simply no evidence of a grand conspiracy headed by a single nefarious ringleader (not Stone, not Jones, not even Trump).

Prosecutors have filed conspiracy charges against 40 of those defendants, alleging that they engaged in some degree of planning before the attack. They alleged that one Proud Boy leader recruited members and urged them to stockpile bulletproof vests and other military-style equipment in the weeks before the attack and on Jan. 6 sent members forward with a plan to split into groups and make multiple entries to the Capitol.

But so far prosecutors have steered clear of more serious, politically-loaded charges that the sources said had been initially discussed by prosecutors, such as seditious conspiracy or racketeering.

The FBI's assessment could prove relevant for a congressional investigation that also aims to determine how that day's events were organized and by whom.

With seditious conspiracy now off the table, the most serious charges are likely to be the assault on an office charges, which carry a penalty of up to 20 years in prison.


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The FBI did that? Gotta be a mistake. The FBI has done everything they can- legal and otherwise- to put their boot heel on the face of the American conservative.

Somebody screwed up royally and reported the truth. I guess they'll get sent to a gulag. Totalitarians just love gulags.
 
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I'm surprised they didn't manufacture evidence to support the conspiracy theory

after all, they were highly successful with Strozk and Page, and they skated on that
 
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I wouldn’t be surprised to see the FBI and others starting to hedge their bets as we start to see cracks in the Liberal veneer being exposed.

Take note of these charlatans as their color starts to change with political winds.
Their core beliefs will not change, just the image they wish to project.



“We’re in a situation where we have put together, and you guys did it for our administration…President Obama’s administration before this. We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics,”
Pres. Select, Joe Biden

“Let’s go, Brandon” Kelli Stavast, 2 Oct. 2021
 
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^^^

That’s all the Feebs have at this point is image

The reality of it is that they’re no better than the mob
 
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There is going to be a transferred FBI agent to the Phoenix or Nome Field Office shortly.
 
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"Everything woke turns to shit"



https://youtu.be/pJyBs9XbYDc




...let him who has no sword sell his robe and buy one. Luke 22:35-36 NAV

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This is old news , but a reminder how close the 2020 presidential election really was.

https://www.washingtonpost.com...ling-all-washington/

9 Feb 2021

Biden won the three decisive states — Arizona, Georgia and Wisconsin — by 0.6 percentage points or less

If you flip fewer than 43,000 votes across those three states, the electoral college is tied 269 to 269.

In that case, Trump would probably have won, given that the race would be decided by one vote for each House delegation, of which Republicans control more.

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43,000 votes.
 
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If you flip fewer than 43,000 votes across those three states, the electoral college is tied 269 to 269.
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43,000 votes.

Trump won.
The audits will show that.
Then what?



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Trump won.
The audits will show that.
Then what?



Then, the dems brownshirts - BLM and antifa - will start the rioting, burning and looting again.


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If you flip fewer than 43,000 votes across those three states, the electoral college is tied 269 to 269.
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43,000 votes.

Trump won.
The audits will show that.
Then what?


Lots of speculation that is what is behind the whole Afghanistan fiasco. I've read several places where people claim the current president can't be unseated during a time of war.
 
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What factual reason does anyone have to believe that finding proof (whatever that might be) that more people voted for Trump than Biden would change anything? Am I missing something in the Constitution that makes provision to change Presidents in that event? I admit to being a little vague on the Electoral College process, but if there was the possibility that an Elector could legally vote for someone who didn’t receive a majority of the popular vote, how can the way the EC in fact voted be overturned?




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Originally posted by sigfreund:
What factual reason does anyone have to believe that finding proof (whatever that might be) that more people voted for Trump than Biden would change anything?
No, I don't believe it will change the outcome of the election, but it would go a long way towards shutting up some of these arrogant leftist loudmouths. The American people need a bone thrown to them. Woof
 
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As is more commonly true than I’d like, my comment left an impression that I didn’t intend.

I fully agree that it’s important to determine and make public the truth of the matter regarding the election for the reason you cite as well as hopefully ensuring “Never again!”

My comment was prompted by the belief that some people evidently have that conclusive evidence that the election should have gone to Trump would somehow change who lives in the White House for the next several years. People ask, “What then?” as if there would be a then that’s different from now, and if that’s true I’d like to know what they think its basis would be.




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Sigfreud, evidence won’t change the sitting President potato as he was installed by the EC, which is the way it’s supposed to be. But it will show the fraud that most of us are aware of.

And maybe , just maybe the general public will finally get onboard for IDs at voting, and reduce the ways to cheat.



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^^^Yup, even shining the 'Light of Truth' will go a long way here. Further it would hopefully provide inertia for Election Reform efforts that are going on in many states (and maybe provide a catalyst for widespread reforms in other states as well) in order to ensure that it NEVER happens again!

With enough evidence, the Election Fraud could also be seen as so egregious that it could pave the way for Felony Prosecutions for those involved in the effort to Steal the Election! It could also be the justification for a grass roots 'Never Forget' campaign that taints the Democrats for a VERY Long time....Sunshine as a Disinfectant, so to speak!

Probably not, but one can hope... Wink


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With enough evidence, the Election Fraud could also be seen as so egregious that it could pave the way for Felony Prosecutions for those involved in the effort to Steal the Election!

Without punishment for election fraud, nothing will have been gained.

We have 500 political prisoners still in prison awaiting their speedy trial.

Do we just discount Joe’s statement on putting together voter fraud?

The most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics, see below.

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“We’re in a situation where we have put together, and you guys did it for our administration…President Obama’s administration before this. We have put together, I think, the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics,”
Pres. Select, Joe Biden

“Let’s go, Brandon” Kelli Stavast, 2 Oct. 2021
 
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Dr Kelli Ward of Arizona sent out an email today that the Audit Team will deliver their report to the Arizona State Senate this week.

it will be reviewed before being released to the public.

Ward is the chair of the Arizona REP party.
 
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Dr Kelli Ward of Arizona sent out an email today that the Audit Team will deliver their report to the Arizona State Senate this week.

it will be reviewed before being released to the public.

Ward is the chair of the Arizona REP party.


They were supposed to deliver it today, but three of the five members of the team suddenly got a bad case of COVID? Come on, man! I’m finding it a bit difficult to believe.
 
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