We could be at the point where both major political parties as we've known them are about to enter their death throes. The D's are all about "Unity" suddenly; the Socialists/Progressive are the rising power and force in the party, there are precious few Joe Liebermans remaining and the Harry Trumans are long extinct. Several years ago I read an op-ed (can't recall the columnist) that there was a battle about to break out within that Party; we may well see it soon. The Repubs had been given another chance to actually change the course of the Nation (as DJT has tried to do), but too many just want to go back and become the minority party and whine and bitch and moan about thus and such, hoping we'll keep donating to them. I'm still hoping that the truth of the fraud comes out, and the state governments grow some scrotal mass and act. It's not going to come from the Feds.

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If President Trump created a new American first party I will be the first one to join,

Several people have said this.

Look at it from Trump's perspective: Why would he do this? It takes an enormous amount of grassroots work to create a party apparatus. It takes committee people to organize operations in every township. I know: I'm a committeeman.
Trump would win the Republican nomination without difficulty. The Republican Party is now more a Trump party than it is an establishment party. A third party would split the Republican Party and serve no one, especially Trump.

The Jack Posobic section at 32:40 talks about the DNI report and the battle that is taking place for what will be included. It is supposed to come out on Friday. Hope people listen if they can because it's interesting.

^^We The People need a Leader. Trump rose to the front of the formation. He spoke, we followed. We put our shoulder to the harness. I hope the powers to be have an epiphany very soon that they screwed up royally, and there's not enough money flowing in from the CCP or whomever to save them from what History will record of them.

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Originally posted by skyline009:
Is down to full speed off the cliff, or slow it down to ten years with these fucking Republicans, I vote for full speed while I am still capable of physical fighting.
If President Trump created a new American first party I will be the first one to join, from now on I will vote for democrats just to destroy those MF.
Signing off.

. The conservative wing of the Republican Party is leaving the party. They will form as the capitalist branch of the Democratic Party.

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The conservative wing of the Republican Party is leaving the party. They will form as the capitalist branch of the Democratic Party.

That sounds crazy. I'm as conservative as anyone and sure as hell not joining any branch of the Democrat Party.

It began prior to this election and the lack of an actual predicate to claim election fraud is a driving factor for defections. It would be naive to disregard the fracture of the Republican Party.

"have not finished coordinating"

Jack Posobic is right in that video I posted on the last page. Two sides are fighting it out.

Yes, the Repub Party is a ruptured duck...especially without the millions that came out and backed, and now are fighting for Mr. Trump. The establishment types can't (or refuse to) see that.

Time to overthrow the deep state.

I really thought this would workout with only a bit of rioting and looting.

Now it seems the Deep State is going to push us to war.

Listen up Politicians and Main Stream Media, this is Not Your Country, it is We the Citizens.
Pack your bags and leave if you do not like our Constitutional Republic, we are keeping it.

UPDATE: They’re Screwing Trump AGAIN! — DNI Notified “By Career Intelligence Officials” That They WILL NOT MEET December 18 Deadline on Foreign Threats in 2020 Election!

Our Demand is Simple.
Law & Order, no two tier justice systems will be tolerated.
Free and Fair Elections.

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Originally posted by chellim1:

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The conservative wing of the Republican Party is leaving the party. They will form as the capitalist branch of the Democratic Party.

That sounds crazy. I'm as conservative as anyone and sure as hell not joining any branch of the Democrat Party.

All of the Current Political Leadership needs to be replaced.
Democrat, Republican, Libertarian.
All Swamp Creatures.
Time for the Non-Politicians to run the country.

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Time for the Non-Politicians to run the country.

I'm all for that. How do you get people with no interest in politics into political positions?

^^^^^^
Maybe we check with Mark Robinson. he just entered the political field and has not had time to become corrupt.

We might need to look for those just entering politics like Mark Robinson.

President Trump became President as a non-politician, so I am hopeful we can find others.
George Washington did not necessarily want to be President.

Politicians are corrupt because they think they cannot be replaced.
We need show them that, that is a false assumption.

So does anyone know what happens if Pence refuses to certify as Steve Turley talked about today? He mentioned both house voting after objections and then said Pence may still refuse to certify.

about the DNI report:

"The intelligence report only covers foreign influence operations related to the election, not voter or election fraud or election security."

https://www.breitbart.com/poli...ce-in-2020-election/

Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe is considering not signing an intelligence report to Congress if it does not accurately reflect an ongoing debate among intelligence community career analysts over Chinese attempts to influence American voters in the 2020 election, according to a source familiar with the issue.

The intelligence report on foreign efforts to influence the 2020 election is due to Congress on Friday, but Ratcliffe is concerned it will not accurately reflect the debate among senior intelligence community analysts as to the extent of China’s influence operations during the election, according to the source.

There is allegedly “ample” raw intelligence about China’s intentions and actions related to the election, with more intelligence reporting coming in everyday. Some of the influence operations include social media campaigns seeking to amplify messages such as that President Donald Trump is a white supremacist.

However, senior career analysts disagree on the significance of those influence operations. Some analysts argue that they were minimal or ultimately not acted on, while others say it is extensive and far more than previously known. The disagreement includes whether there should be a China section in the report, according to the source.

Despite this serious debate, Ratcliffe is concerned that proper tradecraft — which would require that the disagreement be reflected in the report with both views represented — will not be followed simply in order to deprive President Trump of a potential political talking point.

In other words, Ratcliffe is concerned that the intelligence report would be written in a way due to politics — the very definition of politicization of intelligence, and only bury real and growing concerns about China from the intelligence community.

A senior national security official told Breitbart News on background:

Good to see Ratcliffe stepping up and addressing the China issue inside the IC. This appears to be a textbook case of intelligence being politicized by a handful of careerists in the bowels of the CIA. They don’t want to give Trump the talking points that China was engaged in election influence operations, but we all know they were.

Ratcliffe has applauded the growing focus among the intelligence community on China, which he said for the last few decades has prioritized counterterrorism. He wrote in an op-ed on December 3 in the Wall Street Journal:

Within intelligence agencies, a healthy debate and shift in thinking is already under way. For the talented intelligence analysts and operators who came up during the Cold War, the Soviet Union and Russia have always been the focus. For others who rose through the ranks at the turn of this century, counterterrorism has been top of mind. But today we must look with clear eyes at the facts in front of us, which make plain that China should be America’s primary national security focus going forward.

The intelligence report would go to Congress in a classified form, but would be released in an unclassified form to the public weeks afterwards, which will certainly fuel public discussion on Chinese election interference, as President-Elect Joe Biden seeks to move past what for many was a contested outcome.

The current IC debate is similar to a debate that was not reflected in the Obama administration 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment, which alleged Russia interfered in the 2016 election to specifically hurt Hillary Clinton and help Trump.

There was fierce debate among intelligence agencies over whether Russia’s goal was to help Trump or just to sow discord, but that debate was not reflected in the ICA, which was then used as a talking point by the left that the Trump campaign and Russia had colluded. After several years and millions of dollars, Special Counsel Robert Mueller found there was no criminal collusion, conspiracy, or coordination between the Trump campaign and Russia.

The intelligence report only covers foreign influence operations related to the election, not voter or election fraud or election security.

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from CTH:

https://theconservativetreehou...-report-now-delayed/

On the same day Christopher Krebs, who was the country’s top cybersecurity official during the presidential election (before being fired), testified before the Senate’s Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee about no election interference,… according to CBS News Catherine Herridge the Director of National Intelligence, John Ratcliffe, is now saying there WAS foreign interference in the 2020 election

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"The intelligence report only covers foreign influence operations related to the election, not voter or election fraud or election security."

Who wrote this dumb shit? Foreign influence related to the election is not about election security?

Either way it does not sound like there is going to be anything in this report that would give Trump what he needs to justify invoking the insurrection act or a national emergency under his executive action. The path is becoming very narrow.

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Time for the Non-Politicians to run the country.

I'm all for that. How do you get people with no interest in politics into political positions?

Its relatively simple. Get rid of the big salary, allow no outside compensation and pay them 50k a year + company car, cafeteria food, health insurance.

Its less about getting people involved versus keeping people out and taking away all the incentives.