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Originally posted by sigfreund:
I am confused by all the posts claiming that voter fraud including false mailed ballots will be rampant (and which hasn't occurred yet). Does that mean that the posters believe they will prevent the reelection of President Trump? If not, is there some other reason to be so concerned?

You can't be serious. The amount of fraud in this election with simple mass mail-in ballots will be legion. As AG Barr alludes, anyone with a lick of common sense can see it. Some states like Pennsylvania don't even allow by law the verification of mail-in ballots until the night before and the night of the election. Can you imagine these states trying to verify millions of signatures on these ballots in one or two nights? Chaos. Absolute chaos is what is in store for us.

And the left is already planning for it. That's why numerous high profile democrats are saying that Biden should not concede on election night no matter what. They expect Trump to win on November 3rd, but they know with all the mail-in ballots, they can create chaos and doubt and no doubt manufacture as many votes as they need after the fact.

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
I am confused by all the posts claiming that voter fraud including false mailed ballots will be rampant (and which hasn't occurred yet). Does that mean that the posters believe they will prevent the reelection of President Trump? If not, is there some other reason to be so concerned?

The May election in Paterson, New Jersey, had 19% of the ballots rejected. While some claim this “ Suggest safeguards are working” The truth is the fraud was poorly done and blatant. “ Nearly 900 votes that appear to have been mailed in bulk from three individual mailboxes, including more than 300 rubber-banded together form a mailbox in neighboring Haledon, have not yet been counted.“ Had the ballots been spread out over multiple mailboxes and over a period of days, the fraud is unlikely to have been discovered.

One issue is that of the “bearers.” These are people that harvest ballots sign their names and then vote them. There’s a limitation of a bearer being able to do this with only 3 ballots. However, those committing the fraud were sending in many more the 3 ballots.

Imagine a memory residence full of voters in various stages of dementia. They could be “helped” to vote by staff. The staff would then receive money for the ballots.

Then is the postal employees. In 2016 there were area where there were no votes for Trump. Imagine a red area and a postal employee that trashed ballots. If you recall the Detroit recount of the last election, “ One-third of precincts in Wayne County could be disqualified from an unprecedented statewide recount of presidential election results because of problems with ballots.

Michigan’s largest county voted overwhelmingly for Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton, but officials couldn’t reconcile vote totals for 610 of 1,680 precincts during a countywide canvass of vote results late last month.

Most of those are in heavily Democratic Detroit, where the number of ballots in precinct poll books did not match those of voting machine printout reports in 59 percent of precincts, 392 of 662.”

https://www.northjersey.com/st...election/3318983001/

https://www.detroitnews.com/st...k-recount/108439064/

https://www.npr.org/2020/07/01...feguards-are-working
https://www.detroitnews.com/st...ecountable/95007392/

Both the wife and I vote permanent absentee. Get the ballot, get the materials, do my research, fill out the ballots either the night before or early on voting day, then either she or I Do a drive by of the county clerk-recorders office where the have folks waiting at the curb to accept your ballot. The only thing that would make me happier would be if they required ID at drop off.

I can’t imagine trusting anything important like a ballot to the USPS. Years ago I got involved with a local non-profit. They were struggling so I told the friend who got me involved I’d make a donation. I mailed the check that day. A week later the friend asked if I had done it. I said I had a week ago and asked had it not benn received. Nope. I wrote another check, hand delivered it, and asked the office manager to either shred or return the original check. Just over three weeks later, said office manager let my friend know that the original check had arrived, a little over a month after it was postmarked. Sent from the same small town it was addressed to and it took a little over a month for them to deliver it. That was the end of me using USPS for anything other than taxes (‘cause I really don’t care if it arrives on time as long as I have proof I sent it on time). I can’t imagine mailing a completed ballot.

The only times I've voted Absentee were while I was serving in USAF. That process required a person under bond to accept the sealed inner envelope with the ballot in it (no ID on that envelope) and to personally witness the insertion of that envelope in the outer one (with my ID on it), and seal and notarize the closure. The item was then mailed by Registered Mail to the Election Office of the appropriate state. I believe that process is as foolproof as a mail-in can be. It is obviously not something that every voter in the country is willing to do (nor are there enough Notaries).

flashguy

If you had a million dollar winning lottery ticket would you drop it in the mail or hand deliver it?

Correct me if I am wrong - but if an electoral vote in a State is cast on election night, it doesn't matter how many late ballots get submitted ?

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Originally posted by Graniteguy:
Correct me if I am wrong - but if an electoral vote in a State is cast on election night, it doesn't matter how many late ballots get submitted ?

But the Electoral college votes in DECEMBER....not Nov3rd...so there is plenty of time to wrangle the numbers...

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My time in the service was similar to Flashguys, I voted in Fla but was all over, we only had to have an officer witness the envelope inserted into the outer envelope and sign off on my actual name and address. Mailed back via USPS...much better because I requested the ballot vs one just showing up at my address in Fla while I’m out at sea...

Regarding the election, do you know what really drives me crazy? When we start in on the "If he wins Wisconsin but loses Montana and Idaho, he can still get to 270 if he wins Nebraska, Kentucky, Delaware and New Mexico, provided he doesn't lose Utah, in which case if he wins Maine he's got to lose Colorado to win West Virginia, provided he doesn't lose North Dakota, Mississippi and New Hampshire, because then, he needs to win Uruguay, Latvia, and the Duchy of Grand Fenwick, and then he gets to 270. However..."

Freaking. Drives. Me. Crazy.

In the 2016 election, do you know who was doing that shit the most? The LOSERS. All night long, they were standing in front of maps with a marker, on CNN, MSNBC, ABC etc. The losers were doing this, because they were trying to rationalize their way to victory. Let's not do this, huh?

Yet Biden calls himself the law and order candidate...

We will vote in two months...
How do we safeguard the vote?
How do we ensure that every American knows it is legitimate?

September 4, 2020
Democrat Mail Fraud Will Take Us to the Brink
By J.B. Shurk

Now that a top Democrat data analytics firm has finally confirmed that Democrats plan to claim victory weeks after the presidential election once enough of their “votes” show up in the mail to be counted, I don’t think any rational observer could view this as anything but a promise to destroy the legitimacy of the 2020 election. The Democrats’ mission to fracture America permanently should be codenamed “Operation Chaos,” because it is chaos that they are preparing to unleash.

It was not a few thousand dollars worth of Russian Facebook posts and online internet trolls that nearly destroyed the Union after the 2016 election. It was the way the Obama White House and an intelligence-law enforcement cabal run by the Democratic Party maliciously and intentionally magnified Russia’s limited hijinks into the greatest political hoax in American history. The Democrats preferred to drag the United States through four years of nonsensical conspiracy theories, needless investigations, and cries of high treason rather than to acknowledge that President Trump had legitimately defeated Hillary Clinton. The Democrats chose an unprecedented campaign of sabotage against an American president, and in doing so, they accomplished what Putin’s Russia could never have dreamed: they succeeded in convincing half of America that the 2016 election was stolen from them. The Democrats and the Deep State that has aided and abetted their cause have sold bitter acrimony for four years and birthed our precarious pre-civil war tinderbox today.

With American peace now hanging in the balance, will Democrats choose country over socialism and temper passions already overinflamed? Of course not. If four years of the Russia hoax has brought our nation to the brink of civil strife, the Democrats’ Operation Chaos will make it nearly impossible for wisdom and reason to succeed in the months ahead. This fact alone should disqualify Democrats from office in 2020. A party that is driving the country to civil war cannot be trusted to have the country’s best interests at heart.

Most Republicans (except the “useful idiots” who will look past corruption and fraud for the chance to remove President Trump) understand how the Democrats plan to use “cheat-by-mail” chaos to elevate a man who can’t remember his opponent’s name (or even his running mate’s) to commander in chief. They have a three-tailed con in play: (1) attempt to win swing states fast and declare victory before fraudulent ballots can be scrutinized; (2) harvest loose ballots after election day until Trump vote leads disappear; (3) throw the whole mess into state and federal courts until a Democrat-leaning judge gives them a Democrat lead. At any time that one of these tails secures a Democrat victory, the “useful idiot” #NeverTrumpers and hacks in the press will aid the Democrats in quickly declaring the election over and calling for President Trump’s concession. (When executing a good con, it’s always best to have “disinterested” third parties move the con along.) By that point, offending ballots will be “disappeared” before they can ever be scrutinized again. And at any stage of this dangerous game, if President Trump and his supporters fight the outcome, our efforts -- not Democrat vote fraud -- will be framed as “threats to democracy.”

All the chaos lying ahead was preventable, of course. In the most modern and technically advanced nation in the history of the planet, the idea that the United States cannot vouchsafe the results of a democratic election is absurd. All over the world successful elections take place without high-tech voting booths or sophisticated methods for tallying votes, but in America we are plagued with so much uncertainty as to whether our elections are the outcomes of massive fraud that election integrity is impossible. You can’t have fair and equitable elections when every single American believes the vote is already rigged.

Obviously, if our constitutional republic is to utilize democratic elections to decide whether we choose Donald Trump’s “America First” policies or Bernie Sanders’s Green New Deal, then safeguarding the American vote is paramount over any other responsibility of our federal and state governments. Instead, because the political establishment in America routinely ignores the wishes of American voters, it has turned a blind eye to the corruption and inaccuracy of American elections.

Democrats (and “Republican” enablers like Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan) argue that election fraud is a myth when it is, in fact, well documented. They argue that non-citizen voting occurs in such low numbers as to be meaningless when meaningful elections every year are decided by a few hundred votes. They argue that election judges can be trusted when many have been prosecuted for altering votes and stuffing ballots. They argue that sensible voter identification laws are unnecessary (and racist) when votes routinely show up from dead voters, non-voters, and voters who long ago left the jurisdictions in which they’re now cast. They argue that ballot harvesting is nothing to worry about when the outcomes of elections are overturned days and weeks after election day. They argue that the same U.S. Postal Service that just endorsed the Democratic Party can be trusted to impartially handle Republican votes.

By never letting a crisis go to waste, Democrats have so effectively guaranteed “cheat-by-mail” in swing states this year that stacks of ballots can go out with coupon mailers and come back without proper signatures or any other voter authentications and go right into the ballot box. A recent election in New Jersey was just thrown out after it was determined that mail-in vote fraud had tainted 22% of the total vote, while twenty-eight million mail-in ballots have gone missing in the last four elections. And a top Democrat operative revealed last week how he and others have been committing voter fraud on a “grand scale” for decades.

Gone are the days when the United States recognized the solemnity of the vote by securing for each citizen a private and uncoerced secret ballot. Now Democrat election operatives can simply go from hospital bed to hospital bed in nursing homes around the country “collecting” votes or swallow up entire mail drops at apartment buildings before residents even hold them in their hands. Operation Chaos will test the limits of our country’s bonds.

How does a free country governed by the people destroy itself? When elected representatives make it impossible for the people to believe they are still governing.

If we had a functioning free press in this country that hadn’t thrown out objectivity and professionalism for partisan entanglements and personal vendettas, the two biggest stories of the last four years would both center on the efforts of the Democratic Party to undermine American elections so completely that the breakup of the Union is not only a real possibility but the Democrats’ likely objective. They sabotaged the peaceful transition of power in 2016 with the Russia hoax. In 2020, whether they can eke out victory or not, they have implemented a “cheat-by-mail” voting catastrophe that will render the 2020 election outcome unavoidably illegitimate to the losing side. It is a strategy intended to damage the country. It is an operation meant to unleash chaos.

https://www.americanthinker.co...us_to_the_brink.html

We all know what's coming, but what can be done about it?

The only real way to safeguard the vote is to require positive ID, photo ID, when people vote.
You can't legitimately do this with vote-by-mail.

Absentee voting has been done by mail, but it requires a notarized signature. If on a small scale, it's possible to match those signatures to voter roles before counting the votes. But the combination of widespread vote-by-mail and not requiring photo ID really makes voter fraud possible on a large scale.

The best remedy to mail in voting is to go to the polls. Pick up mom and dad gramma and grandpa aunts and uncles and take them to the polls. Don’t let them buy into the mail in fraud scheme.

Here's a cool video of people trying to get to President Trump's rally in Latrobe PA:




Link to original video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQCy58DgAdg

https://www.usatoday.com/story...ths-away/5703562002/



North Carolina, started sending out ballots to voters who requested them today .

The ballots will arrive over the next few weeks. Voters can return them as soon as they arrive, likely making the Tar Heel State the first to vote.

Boy that makes me feel so good just seeing the love and hope these folks have. This happens everywhere the Donald goes! God we love him!

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Originally posted by lastmanstanding:
The best remedy to mail in voting is to go to the polls. Pick up mom and dad gramma and grandpa aunts and uncles and take them to the polls. Don’t let them buy into the mail in fraud scheme.

And, don't let your chads hang.

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Originally posted by SIG228:
If you had a million dollar winning lottery ticket would you drop it in the mail or hand deliver it?

And don't forget to label the envelope clearly that it is a winning lottery ticket.