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Louisiana's largest health care system charging $200 a month if your spouse is not vaccinated.

And this is supposedly a red state. Just wait until the blue states catch on. What next? Increased premiums if you own firearms? Don’t get the flu vaccine? Drive too fast? Don’t support certain initiatives? This is a dangerous and slippery slope that should alarm anyone no matter what side of the vaccine fence you are on.

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Originally posted by bigdeal:Agreed, but just also factor in that there is 'zero' long term data to support the comment that this vaccine is 'safe'. No one knows what the vaccines 'might' do to your internal systems over a number of years. I fully grasp your concern(s) given the recent tragedies you've had to deal with.

That is absolutely true, but there is also zero long term data evaluating the long term effects of natural infection. It could range from nothing, to permanent lung damage, to latent virus (chicken pox>shingles) that plagues the individual for the rest of their life. Lots of unknowns.

Please stop it. There is likely no way to avoid Covid infection even if one is vaccinated. We've already seen the data that proves vaccined people can both acquire and spread the virus. That's reality. The vaccine is entirely avoidable. If an unvaccinated person suffers future negative health impacts, they will be due to initial viral exposure not natural immunity. Those same risks exist in a fully vaccinated individual. However the fully vaccinated individual also incurs the potential additional risks of taking the vaccine. The two situations are not the same when it comes to potential risk. My point was to take that additional risk factor into consideration when determining whether to get vaccinated or not.

Long article, so I won’t copy it here. It sums up a lot of things.
Dr. Joseph Mercola: Medical Mafia Is Sinking the Health Care System

https://noqreport.com/2021/10/...-health-care-system/

^^^
This is by design. They'll say "the only thing that can save us is socialized medicine."

^^^^^
And One-World Government.

This is interesting... cnbc questioning the fauci agenda???

https://www.thegatewaypundit.c...through-cases-video/

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Originally posted by chellim1:
Long article, so I won’t copy it here. It sums up a lot of things.
Dr. Joseph Mercola: Medical Mafia Is Sinking the Health Care System

https://noqreport.com/2021/10/...-health-care-system/

Mercola is a big time alternative medicine quack whose entire professional identity seems to be bound up in promoting his dietary supplement business.

^^The least popular item on every restaurant menu: grilled Fauci

BTW, they need to just stop with this "breakthough" horse shit. There's no such thing, and anyone who doesn't know this by now has not been paying attention. You get the virus, or you don't get the virus, vaccine or no vaccine. Stop with the lame excuse of "breakthroughs"

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Originally posted by maladat:Mercola is a big time alternative medicine quack whose entire professional identity seems to be bound up in promoting his dietary supplement business.

Exactly. I said as much earlier in this thread. He has been a snake oil salesman for decades before anyone ever heard of Covid. Just because he opposes the CDC on this, doesn't mean he isn't entirely full of shit. He's got an unblemished track record.

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Just because he opposes the CDC on this, doesn't mean he isn't entirely full of shit. He's got an unblemished track record.

Could you point out what part of the article is “entirely full of shit”?
In other words could you focus on the message instead of attacking the messenger?

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Originally posted by MNSIG:

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Originally posted by maladat:Mercola is a big time alternative medicine quack whose entire professional identity seems to be bound up in promoting his dietary supplement business.

Exactly. I said as much earlier in this thread. He has been a snake oil salesman for decades before anyone ever heard of Covid. Just because he opposes the CDC on this, doesn't mean he isn't entirely full of shit. He's got an unblemished track record.

You seem like an expert on the guy.
Why don't you post some videos of HIM selling snake oil?
Give us some examples. MSM website hit pieces don't count.
Tell us what you consider "SNAKE OIL" and let members decide.

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Just because he opposes the CDC on this, doesn't mean he isn't entirely full of shit. He's got an unblemished track record.

Could you point out what part of the article is “entirely full of shit”?

+1

I would like to hear the guy suggesting we take a ride on the Hale–Bopp Comet.


This kind of BS reminds me of those who immediately suggest it's ridiculous to think Graphene Oxide could be in these Jabs but totally ignore inconvenient truths like the Chinese patent filed on 2020-09-27.

Nano coronavirus recombinant vaccine taking graphene oxide as carrier
Application filed by Shanghai National Engineering Research Center for Nanotechnology Co Ltd
https://patents.google.com/patent/CN112220919A/en

Two days after receiving the Regeneron covid antibody cocktail, my wife is feeling slightly better. That's a start at least.

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Dr. Joseph Mercola: Medical Mafia Is Sinking the Health Care System

While I don't necessarily disagree with some of the assertions, continuing to use Mercola as a reliable source for medical information is dubious at best. The guy has long been a whack-job snake oil salesman and anti-vaccination advocate.

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Two days after receiving the Regeneron covid antibody cocktail, my wife is feeling slightly better. That's a start at least.

That is good news. God bless both of you.

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Originally posted by chellim1:
Dr. Joseph Mercola: Medical Mafia Is Sinking the Health Care System

While I don't necessarily disagree with some of the assertions, continuing to use Mercola as a reliable source for medical information is dubious at best. The guy has long been a whack-job snake oil salesman and anti-vaccination advocate.

For the folks questioning Mercola's credibility, go straight to the horse's mouth: his website is www.mercola.com.

The articles posted there are loaded with alternative medicine pseudoscience and many of them are thinly-veiled advertisements for dietary supplements.

That's questionable enough, given the lack of evidence for the effectiveness of most dietary supplements, but the real smoking gun as far as his credibility is concerned is that he is the one selling the supplements he promotes, through his online sales platform www.mercolamarket.com.

Now, that in itself doesn't necessarily mean he's wrong about anything he says in the posted article, but if he told me the sky is blue, I'd want a second opinion and I'd be curious how he was trying to make money off of it.

I'd put him in the same category as Dr. Oz, with the caveat that Dr. Oz was apparently a pretty hot shit cardiothoracic surgeon before he gave up actual medicine for peddling miracle cures.

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Now, that in itself doesn't necessarily mean he's wrong about anything he says in the posted article, but if he told me the sky is blue, I'd want a second opinion and I'd be curious how he was trying to make money off of it.

Your point is well-taken, but there is one big problem with seeking confirmation: The "health care" industry, "our" government, the dominant "news" media, and big tech seems to be doing all they can to suppress anything outside the Chosen Narrative.

That makes a lack of confirmation not necessarily convincing.

There have been two stories posted in this thread, recently, which were damning to the Official Narrative: The so-called "Spartacus Letter" from an anonymous author and an alleged affidavit from an Army LTC MD. Neither ever made it beyond the questionable "alt news" sites and both have largely disappeared.

Fact or fiction?

Conversely: A couple years ago the woman who runs my gym turned me on to the benefits of elderberry extract for fighting virus infections. (Colds, flu, what-have-you.) I bought a bottle and my wife subsequently researched it a bit. Seemed to be a lot of testimonials as to its efficacy. My wife and I got into the habit of taking a couple tablespoons/day whenever we felt like we might be getting sick. We haven't gotten seriously sick, since then.

It turns out even the NIH admits it does indeed work: Randomized study of the efficacy and safety of oral elderberry extract in the treatment of influenza A and B virus infections

Have you heard or seen one word in the dominant "news" media about the efficacy of elderberry extract for treating viral infections? I haven't. Has your doctor ever suggested it? None of mine have.

There are a number of things that would appear to reduce both the likelihood of Covid-19 infection or reduce the seriousness if one does become infected: Vitamin C, vitamin D, certain antihistamines, corticosteroid nasal sprays, and melatonin, for example. Have you heard word one about any of these?

It's the same story with every other non-big-pharma solution.

So maybe Oz and Mercola are snake-oil salesmen.

Then again: Maybe not. Or maybe not always.

Same thing happened to a close friend of mine after getting poked. He's 40.

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Fully [Vaccinated] Former CNN Contributor Marc Lamont Hill Suffers Heart Attack and is Hospitalized with Blood Clots – Blasts NBA Player Critical of Covid [Vaccine]

Former CNN commentator Marc Lamont Hill had a heart attack and was hospitalized with deep vein thrombosis and blood clots in his lungs.

Marc Lamont Hill is only 42 years old.

On Wednesday, Hill criticized Orlando Magic player Jonathan Isaac for being outspoken about his decision not to take the Covid jab.

On Wednesday a fully [vaccinated] Marc Lamont Hill revealed he suffered a heart attack and had deep vein thrombosis which caused a pulmonary embolism.

https://patriotspolitico.com/2...itical-of-covid-vax/

J&J Vaccine Possibly Linked to Two More Serious Health Conditions, EU Regulator Finds

https://www.theepochtimes.com/...m_campaign=ZeroHedge

The European Union’s drug regulator on Oct. 1 recommended updating the label for Johnson & Johnson’s COVID-19 vaccine with warnings for two more serious health conditions likely linked with the vaccine.

The European Medicines Agency’s Pharmacovigilance Risk Assessment Committee (PRAC) concluded that the use of the J&J vaccine is possibly linked with vein clotting and an immune condition that causes the immune system to attack blood platelets.

“The PRAC has concluded that there is a possible link to rare cases of venous thromboembolism (VTE) with COVID-19 Vaccine Janssen,” the committee meeting highlights stated.

Venous thromboembolism “is a condition in which a blood clot forms in a deep vein, usually in a leg, arm, or groin, and may travel to the lungs causing a blockage of the blood supply, with possible life-threatening consequences,” the committee said.

Janssen, a J&J company, did not respond to a request for comment.

COVID-19 is the disease caused by the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) virus, commonly known as the novel coronavirus.

After reviewing new evidence, PRAC concluded that there is a “reasonable possibility” that the clotting condition is linked with vaccination using the J&J vaccine. The committee recommended listing venous thromboembolism as a rare side effect in the product information for the J&J vaccine.

The committee also found that the use of the J&J and the AstraZeneca vaccines is linked to an immune condition that causes the body’s immune system to target healthy platelets needed for normal blood clotting.

“Very low levels of blood platelets can be associated with bleeding, and have serious health consequences,” the committee said.

PRAC recommended listing the immune condition as an “adverse reaction with an unknown frequency” for both the J&J and the AstraZeneca vaccines.

The regulator agreed to send warning statements directly to health care practitioners regarding both the clotting and the immune condition.

The communications about the immune thrombocytopenia (ITP) mentions that cases of the condition have been reported in the first four weeks after vaccination and “included serious cases with very low platelet counts.”

“If an individual has a history of ITP, healthcare professionals should consider the risk of developing low platelet levels prior to administering the vaccine. In individuals with a history of ITP, it is recommended to monitor platelet levels following vaccination with COVID-19 Vaccine Janssen,” the direct communication to doctors stated.

The message to doctors regarding venous thromboembolism (VTE) noted that instances of the condition were rare, but that the risk of the condition should be considered for those with increased risk factors for blood clots. The message also noted that patients presenting with one of the two conditions should be checked for the other.

“This is important, to assess a potential diagnosis of thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS), which requires specialized clinical management,” the communication said.

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) authorized the J&J vaccine for emergency use on Feb. 27, 2021. Less than two months later, on April 23, the FDA amended the authorization to include information “about a very rare and serious type of blood clot in people who receive the vaccine.” The clotting condition in that case was separate from the one flagged by the European regulator on Oct. 1.

The FDA did not respond to a request for comment.