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Originally posted by Mr. Peteroniman:

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Originally posted by gearhounds:

The only reason the Covid “vaccine” is still called a vaccine is because 1) they changed the definition of “vaccine” and 2) the powers that be and are profiting from it want it called that.

we used to have the opportunity to get a flu shot, if you wanted... (I never did)
would it be considered a flu vaccine by the new definition?
serious question

Of course. It always has been.


"The isolation of influenza virus 80 years ago in 1933 very quickly led to the development of the first generation of live-attenuated vaccines."



Quote is from an article written in 2013, long before the CDC changed the definition.


I feel like I need to add this to my signature: I am NOT advocating a vaccine mandate and I don't give a crap if anyone else gets it. However, playing bullshit word games adds nothing to the discussion.

At this stage of the hysteria, there really isn't anything left to discuss.

YouTube Goes Full Vaxx-Nanny, Bans Huge Accounts that Posted the Truth About the Jabs

YouTube Censors All Anti-Vaxx Content, Bans Huge Accounts that Posted the Truth About the Jabs

YouTube, the video site owned by Google parent company Alphabet, changed their terms of service this morning to go after “disinformation” regarding the Covid-19 injections. They removed countless videos and banned several prominent accounts.

Dr. Joseph Mercola and Robert F. Kennedy Jr were among the account owners who learned this morning that they are no longer welcome on the “platform.” Their accounts are gone. According to a Washington Post “news” article that cheered on the move:

YouTube is taking down several video channels associated with high-profile anti-vaccine activists including Joseph Mercola and Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who experts say are partially responsible for helping seed the skepticism that’s contributed to slowing vaccination rates across the country.

As part of a new set of policies aimed at cutting down on anti-vaccine content on the Google-owned site, YouTube will ban any videos that claim that commonly used vaccines approved by health authorities are ineffective or dangerous. The company previously blocked videos that made those claims about coronavirus vaccines, but not ones for other vaccines like those for measles or chickenpox.

Misinformation researchers have for years said the popularity of anti-vaccine content on YouTube was contributing to growing skepticism of lifesaving vaccines in the United States and around the world. Vaccination rates have slowed and about 56 percent of the U.S. population has had two shots, compared with 71 percent in Canada and 67 percent in the United Kingdom. In July, President Biden said social media companies were partially responsible for spreading misinformation about the vaccines, and need to do more to address the issue.

The change marks a shift for the social media giant, which streams more than 1 billion hours’ worth of content every day. Like its peers Facebook and Twitter, the company has long resisted policing content too heavily, arguing maintaining an open platform is critical to free speech. But as the companies increasingly come under fire from regulators, lawmakers and regular users for contributing to social ills — including vaccine skepticism — YouTube is again changing policies that it has held onto for months.

Dr. Mercola responded to the move:

The world is becoming increasingly aware of the rampant corruption in the media, and are rising up against tyrannical government and the pharmaceutical industry that are coordinating this assault on our freedom and civil rights. Anyone who asks question or challenges the hard sell is immediately censored on social media. State government and employees, health care workers and emergency responders, face loss of their jobs for refusing the vaccine.

The United States federal government was directly funding the dangerous gain of function virus research that lead to this global pandemic, and the media helped bury any evidence of the lab leak.

Independent media platforms that defend freedom of speech and the rights of Americans to speak out against the global tyranny will defeat the censorship extremists. Dissenting Americans, both vaccinated and unvaccinated, fill the ranks of every socioeconomic class, every political party and every faith-based community. They understand the meaning of the warning that, “The only thing necessary for triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing,” and they are not going to stand by and do nothing.

We are united across the world, we will not live in fear, we will stand together and restore our freedoms.

We have long criticized Google and YouTube for their draconian policies and near-absolute control over the narratives that Americans are allowed to see. Pandemic Panic Theater has become the primary point of assault by these and other Big Tech tyrants in recent months. This latest move by YouTube has been expected; we and others have been moving our content off the site. Our own YouTube channels have been banned as well.

What makes this most infuriating is that we’re not talking about flat-earth theory or whether Paul McCartney died and was replaced by a doppelganger in the 1960s. Concern over the efficacy, necessity, and safety of the Covid-19 jabs is part of legitimate scientific and political discourse. For Google and YouTube to make this move, as expected as it was, is still shocking. To whom are they beholden?

If you think government is going to step in and stop this type of censorship as they’ve been promising for years, don’t hold your breath. The truth can only be disseminated by conscientious American who unite to take a stand.

https://noqreport.com/2021/09/...ruth-about-the-jabs/

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
Alex Jones is more trustworthy than our press.

"More trustworthy than the dominant ``news`` media" is a pretty damn low bar.

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Originally posted by sigmonkey:
It's not a folding needle.

That is the "needle sheath" to prevent "sticks" to anyone accidentally.

It is hard enough to contend with people who are buying tickets to this circus if our own responses are foolish.

Find the truths, make sure they are credible, and use them in arguments.

This ^^^^^ - in spades.

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Originally posted by Ripley:
Pfizer Launches Final Study For COVID Drug That's Suspiciously Similar To 'Horse Paste'

This should raise red flags.

When the pharmaceutical industry synthesized a naturally-occurring substance and won approval for it to be sold as a prescription-only drug, they subsequently protested to the FDA that the natural herb should no longer be allowed to be sold in an effective form, because it contained a natural form of the substance they'd "invented" and was regulated.

The FDA complied (surprise!), which is why red yeast rice in the U.S. is no longer as effective at lowering cholesterol as it once was.

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Originally posted by chellim1:
YouTube Goes Full [Vaccine]-Nanny, Bans Huge Accounts that Posted the Truth About the Jabs

YouTube Censors All Anti-[Vaccine] Content, Bans Huge Accounts that Posted the Truth About the Jabs

YouTube, the video site owned by Google parent company Alphabet, changed their terms of service this morning to go after “disinformation” regarding the Covid-19 injections. They removed countless videos and banned several prominent accounts.

Oh, but it's perfectly ok, you see, because it's the virtuous, all-good private corporation that is tearing away our personal liberties and way of life and not the big bad government. Right, squishy, confused conservatives? Just as long as it's not "Big Brother," go ahead, giant "private" Business. Make it impossible for me to live my life as a free American; put every road block in front of me and make simple things like shopping for groceries, traveling to work, seeking out the truth, or having a career as difficult and onerous as possible. Just as long as there isn't a .gov after your name.

^^^^^

Our local health/supplement store claims the feds are making noise about designating some (many?) vitamins and supplements as drugs that will require prescriptions. Not heard that anywhere else but consider ourselves warned.

We Are on the Verge of the Greatest Shortage of Healthcare Workers in U.S. History
by Michael Snyder

It didn’t have to be this way. After sacrificing so much over the past couple of years, thousands of heroes of the COVID pandemic are now being forced to make a heartbreaking choice. Either they will have to violate very deeply held convictions and beliefs, or they will have to give up their careers.

The way that our healthcare workers are being treated is utterly shameful, and it is a stain on this nation that will not soon be erased. And thanks to these “mandates”, the next time you go to the hospital the lack of workers may mean that you don’t get the treatment that you desperately need.

We already had a shortage of healthcare workers before the pandemic came along, and this is something that I have written about multiple times over the years. When COVID started sweeping across America, many healthcare facilities were absolutely overwhelmed, and there were some healthcare workers that couldn’t handle the pressure. Many ended up leaving, and that resulted in the shortages getting even worse.

Of course countless numbers of healthcare workers have been faithful to keep showing up for work day after day throughout this entire crisis, and now thousands upon thousands of them are being ruthlessly discarded. Mandates that have been instituted by major healthcare providers, state governments and the federal government are going to force the firing of countless numbers of COVID pandemic heroes.

You can’t just create more healthcare workers out of thin air.

I can’t even begin to describe how heartless this is. And considering the fact that we are already experiencing shortages of healthcare workers all over the country, this appears to be a really, really foolish thing to do. According to Fox Business, healthcare institutions all over America “are bracing for worsening staff shortages”…

Hospitals and nursing homes around the U.S. are bracing for worsening staff shortages as state deadlines arrive for health care workers to get vaccinated against COVID-19.
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With ultimatums taking effect this week in states like New York, California, Rhode Island, and Connecticut, the fear is that some employees will quit or let themselves be fired or suspended rather than get the vaccine.

I really don’t know what leaders in these states are thinking.

I know that sounds really bad, but I’m not going to sugarcoat things for you.

You can’t just create more healthcare workers out of thin air. It takes years of training to become a doctor or a nurse, and so you can’t just hire random people off the street to fill empty positions.

In many states, officials have no idea how they are going to fill all of the empty positions that they are creating, but they are moving ahead anyway. For example, this just happened in North Carolina…

A North Carolina-based hospital system announced Monday that roughly 175 unvaccinated employees were fired for failing to comply with the organization’s mandatory coronavirus vaccination policy, the latest in a series of health-care dismissals over coronavirus immunization.

Novant Health said last week that 375 unvaccinated workers — across 15 hospitals and 800 clinics — had been suspended for not getting immunized. Unvaccinated employees were given five days to comply.

Good luck filling those jobs. In New York, a statewide mandate just went into effect, and hundreds of healthcare workers are on the verge of losing their jobs…

Hundreds of unvaccinated health care workers across New York were suspended Tuesday and could soon lose their jobs entirely as the state’s Covid-19 vaccine mandate for health care workers went into effect overnight.

New York Governor Kathy Hochul appears to be a particularly delusional politician. She says that she will steal medical professionals from other states to fill empty positions, and if that isn’t good enough she seems to think that she can just plug in members of the National Guard…

New York state officials are bracing for staffing shortages when the state’s health care worker vaccination mandate takes effect on Monday, and could be looking to the National Guard — as well as medical professionals from other states and countries — to help address them.

Gov. Kathy Hochul released a plan on Saturday, outlining the steps she could take to increase the workforce in the event that large numbers of hospital and nursing home employees do not meet the state’s deadline.

Needless to say, the biggest mandate is the one that is going to be instituted on the federal level. The Biden administration is attempting to force 17 million healthcare workers that are employed by institutions that accept Medicare and/or Medicaid to be vaccinated.

That is going to result in the largest loss of healthcare workers that we have ever seen, and that will likely mean that the national shortage of healthcare workers will soon grow to epic proportions. Sadly, the Democrats are not backing down. In fact, just look at what they are trying to sneak through in Congress…

Buried on page 168 of the House Democrats’ 2,465-page mega bill is a tenfold increase in fines for employers that “willfully,” “repeatedly,” or even seriously violate a section of labor law that deals with hazards, death, or serious physical harm to their employees.

The increased fines on employers could run as high as $70,000 for serious infractions, and $700,000 for willful or repeated violations—almost three-quarters of a million dollars for each fine. If enacted into law, vax enforcement could bankrupt non-compliant companies even more quickly than the $14,000 OSHA fine anticipated under Biden’s announced mandate.

These people are playing for keeps. Earlier today I was reflecting on the events of the past couple of weeks, and it made me very sad. There is no going back. Very dark times have arrived, and there is no light at the end of the tunnel.

I know that sounds really bad, but I’m not going to sugarcoat things for you. Some of you are going to have to find new jobs. Others will have to find entirely new careers. Of course a lot of you are going to have to move out of the states that you are living in right now entirely.

Sadly, there isn’t anywhere that you can go inside this country to escape the federal mandates. And all over the nation, we are going to see very serious shortages of healthcare workers. As our healthcare institutions are flooded by the incapacitated and the dying, there simply is not going to be enough people to treat them all.

It is going to be a complete and utter nightmare, but as I said in the opening paragraph, it didn’t have to be this way.

https://noqreport.com/2021/09/...kers-in-u-s-history/

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Originally posted by chellim1:
We Are on the Verge of the Greatest Shortage of Healthcare Workers in U.S. History

This is called cutting off your nose to spite your face.

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Originally posted by Ripley:
^^^^^

Our local health/supplement store claims the feds are making noise about designating some (many?) vitamins and supplements as drugs that will require prescriptions. Not heard that anywhere else but consider ourselves warned.

What a great way to encourage people to stock up now. “Quick, buy at least a three year supply while you still can!”

Not saying that the drug pushers at the FDA might not be considering, or even wanting to do this, just noticing that it makes great marketing copy…

Real data provided to an attorney from a whistleblower ref: the CMS data tracking of Medicare COVID cases. Astounding! 48,000 deaths after taking the vaccine within a specific time frame and with an age breakdown.


https://ncrenegade.com/attorne...-whistleblower-info/

And here:

https://www.lifesitenews.com/n...-shot-whistleblower/

“So there you have it. The only remaining justification for being vaccinated is the unverified claim that although the vaccine will not reduce your chance of catching Covid, it will reduce your chance of dying from Covid as long as you ignore the chance of serious health injury or death from the vaccine itself.“

https://www.theburningplatform...cine-doesnt-protect/

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Originally posted by stkfox:
Real data provided to an attorney from a whistleblower ref: the CMS data tracking of Medicare COVID cases. Astounding! 48,000 deaths after taking the vaccine within a specific time frame and with an age breakdown.


https://ncrenegade.com/attorne...-whistleblower-info/

And here:

https://www.lifesitenews.com/n...-shot-whistleblower/

Saying 48,000 people died within two weeks of getting vaccinated is not the same thing as saying 48,000 people died BECAUSE of being vaccinated.

There are about 320,000,000 people in the US and over the last few years about 2,800,000 people have died in the US per year.

So, absent knowing anything about a person, the person's probability (on the 0-1 scale, not the 0-100% scale, to make the math easier) of dying in a 1-year period are 2,800,000/320,000,000 = 0.00875. (Or 0.875%)

The chance of a random person dying in a specific two-week period is 0.00875 * 14/365 = 0.00034. (Or 0.034% - sanity check, two weeks is about 1/25 of a year and this result is about 1/25 the previous result).

There are about 180,000,000 people the US that have been fully vaccinated for COVID.

Since any random person has a 0.00034 probability of dying in a given two-week period, how many of those 180,000,000 people would we expect to die in the two-week period after being vaccinated?

180,000,000 * 0.00034 = 61,000.

So based on nothing but generic mortality statistics for the US, of the around 180,000,000 people that have been vaccinated for COVID, we would expect about 61,000 to have died within two weeks of being vaccinated.

If we call "within two weeks of being vaccinated" within two weeks of EITHER DOSE, the number would double to around 122,000 dying within two weeks of getting either dose (because then, all we are really asking is how many of the 180,000,000 would we expect to die in a four-week period instead of in a two-week period).

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Originally posted by slosig:

What a great way to encourage people to stock up now. “Quick, buy at least a three year supply while you still can!”

I would tend to agree. OTOH the recent redesignation of NAC (N-Acetyl Cysteine) gives me pause. I'm not going into NAC beyond saying it has been shown to be useful in treating the coof. NAC was a prescription med with specific uses in the 60's, was reclassified as a supplement and has long been shown to have very useful antioxidant, scavenging and expectorant properties. Apparently pressure was put on Amazon and other on-line vendors to drop it. Steven Crowder discusses this, starting at 24:30 in --

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onzWFIqKbaU

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Originally posted by Ripley:
^^^^^

Our local health/supplement store claims the feds are making noise about designating some (many?) vitamins and supplements as drugs that will require prescriptions. Not heard that anywhere else but consider ourselves warned.

NAC will be high on that list since it has helped people with Covid. They already did something and Amazon pulled it.

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Originally posted by slosig:

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Originally posted by Ripley:
^^^^^

Our local health/supplement store claims the feds are making noise about designating some (many?) vitamins and supplements as drugs that will require prescriptions. Not heard that anywhere else but consider ourselves warned.

What a great way to encourage people to stock up now. “Quick, buy at least a three year supply while you still can!”

Not saying that the drug pushers at the FDA might not be considering, or even wanting to do this, just noticing that it makes great marketing copy…

I suspect there's some garbling going on as information gets passed along from person to person.

It has been the case for a long time that any product whose manufacturer/vendor/whatever makes medical claims about the product must have those claims scientifically evaluated and the product approved by the FDA.

The supplement industry not having their products be subject to FDA approval is literally completely dependent on their carefully never saying the supplements actually DO anything.

Fairly frequently, some supplement company steps over the line and gets slapped by the FDA.

I would bet some of the supplement companies are eager to capitalize on COVID fears to increase sales and are skirting that line and being threatened with having to get FDA approval, which the game of Telephone turned into "will require prescriptions."

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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by chellim1:
We Are on the Verge of the Greatest Shortage of Healthcare Workers in U.S. History

This is called cutting off your nose to spite your face.

I just noticed something odd

why is it that all of the people that make these abysmal and irrational decisions never pay a personal price for it?

Perhaps they will this time. Maybe this time it will be unavoidable.

Australia update: Melbourne, VIC

Extracts from article, link below:

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Self-testing kits for COVID-19 will be made available in Australia from 1 November after a decision by the Therapeutic Goods Administration.



Rapid antigen tests are already used widely in Europe and the United States and can provide a result within 20 minutes.

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SBS article:
Australians able to test themselves for COVID-19 at home from November 2021


This will supplement the PCR testing ... those who have used this type of testing, what say you as to accuracy?

I'm sure that this will be dependent on the required higher levels of vaccinations in Australia.

So we can get our freedoms back.
Yay.

Sigh.

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Sadly the news today is not even shocking.

Democrats Vote AGAINST COVID Tests for Illegal Immigrants Entering U.S.
Link

United Airlines Prepares to Fire 600 Employees for Refusing Covid-19 Jab
Link

United Airlines Holdings Inc. is moving ahead with plans to terminate close to 600 employees who didn’t meet its Covid-19 vaccination deadline, company officials said Tuesday.

Now the Sept. 27 deadline has passed, and while most of the airline’s employees complied, United is starting the process of firing 593 employees who didn’t get the shots, company officials said. Those workers can still save their jobs if they opt to get vaccinated in the coming days before their official termination meetings, airline officials said Tuesday.

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Originally posted by kimber1911:
United is starting the process of firing 593 employees who didn’t get the shots, company officials said. Those workers can still save their jobs if they opt to get vaccinated in the coming days before their official termination meetings, airline officials said Tuesday.

Yep, purely voluntary though. Is this really the United States of America?