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Originally posted by BamaJeepster:
People have lost their damn minds.

I'm sorry, but if you support this you are insane.

Absolutely sickening

These idiots I have no idea just how much they are screwing up these kids psychologically and emotionally and even physically. Like I read earlier today, parents were always supposed to be there to assure our children that they were safe and there were no monsters under the bed. Now we are telling these kids there’s an invisible airborne bogeyman they must hide from behind a mask.

Many of these children will never give these masks up now even when they’ve gone away in society.

Goddam idiot parents

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Originally posted by wcb6092:
Another lie. I kept hearing in the media this week that 70% of Americans were vaccinated and Biden had reached his goal. I don't believe anything they say. Now only 1 jab counts. You can't make this stuff up.

... and the vaccine works, but it doesn't really work, so wear a mask.

On the subject of false positives, they happen all the time in medicine. One great example of this is the PSA test, that has a 75% false positive test rate (but only a 1-2% false negative rate).

The Covid PCR test being run at the excessively high number of cycles last year resulted in an 80-90% false positive rate, per the scientists who actually use it for research, and the guy who invented it. After Slow Joe got sworn in, they ratcheted the number of cycles back down to the normal range, resulting in lower numbers of positive tests, and good press for the current regime.

Over-cycling the PCR test would indeed be the one case where false positives could be significantly high. However, I find it hard to believe that the testing protocols were dialed in with high Ct values on any kind of widespread basis. There was tremendous pressure to get fast and reliable testing out when the Covid crisis was first developing. The extra cycling would have added considerable time (days even?) to getting results that few people would justify.

The PSA test is for prostate cancer. Yes, it has a high false positive rate, but it's not a genetic screening test like for Covid. (The rapid LFT test detects proteins rather than genetic material, but also has a low false positive rate.)

Considering how our Gov Wolf is such a pathetic, spiteful, little bitch; I was really amazed that he & the PA Dept of "Education" both made statements yesterday that there are no plans for a mandate for masks in schools.

A local news station has posted a list of school opening dates, and their mask guidelines for almost all the school districts in the area, and there's only one school mandating masks. The rest are stating that masks are optional.

I'm sure the teachers unions will be raising hell about the "masks optional" rules.

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Originally posted by kkina:
Over-cycling the PCR test would indeed be the one case where false positives could be significantly high. However, I find it hard to believe that the testing protocols were dialed in with high Ct values on any kind of widespread basis.

They did it in Michigan!

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Originally posted by Ironbutt:
Considering how our Gov Wolf is such a pathetic, spiteful, little bitch; I was really amazed that he & the PA Dept of "Education" both made statements yesterday that there are no plans for a mandate for masks in schools.

A local news station has posted a list of school opening dates, and their mask guidelines for almost all the school districts in the area, and there's only one school mandating masks. The rest are stating that masks are optional.

I'm sure the teachers unions will be raising hell about the "masks optional" rules.

It’s all about next years Governor’s election.

Can’t piss off the electorate too close to an election and have the Republican win, can we? Nope.

EVERYTHING. EVERY THING. These Democrat assholes do is highly calculated.

Everyone here knows this already. Take it easy

Danged COVIDthread is mutating into multiple thread variants.

The democrats have to keep this going for another year so they can justify another round of mail in ballots and all the other stuff they did in 2020. Pretty obvious that's the plan. String it out as long as they can.

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Originally posted by sigmonkey:
Danged COVIDthread is mutating into multiple thread variants.

Have we hit the Epsilon variant yet???

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Originally posted by triggertreat:

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Originally posted by kkina:
Over-cycling the PCR test would indeed be the one case where false positives could be significantly high. However, I find it hard to believe that the testing protocols were dialed in with high Ct values on any kind of widespread basis.

They did it in Michigan!

I know, but I did say "widespread".

Pathologist Dr Ryan Cole Delivers Concerning Message About COVID Vaccine and Long Term Impacts

Before getting to the sketchy part; first, let’s talk...

There has been a great deal of discussion about the vitriolic, almost rabid disposition of people who are pushing the vaccination.

This should not be a surprise, although it might be disconcerting to find formerly reasonable people in your network, perhaps even in your family, now become seemingly unhinged if the subject arises.

It is demonstrably true, there has been a cleaving of our American population as the debate about the COVID vaccination rages on. However, it is wise to consider the underlying psychology of a person who has been vaccinated, before engaging in an argument. You may end up being entirely correct in your position; however, an intense or combative argument? At what cost?

A vaccinated person is, as a consequence of their decision, in an irreversible frame of mind. Once the vaccination has been injected into a persons body, there is no turning back; the Rubicon has been crossed, the event horizon closes, there is no retreat. Any conversation or debate about vaccine efficacy or long-term consequences with a person who has accepted the vaccine must be weighed accordingly.

Genuine empathetic listening is needed on both sides.

The no-retreat baseline can, often does, form the origin of anger and vitriol, particularly in unstable leftists -who are, by nature of their ideology- professional blame-casters and prone to emotional responses as a matter of disposition. Therefore, it is better to avoid the topic entirely (if possible) and retain your peace of mind.

♦ Revelations over the past few years have led to the complete collapse of credibility for many institutions. The healthcare field is the latest example of a politically controlled ideological industry that can no longer be trusted to make decisions based on a detachment from their political interests.

The healthcare industry has joined the education system, the justice system (DOJ), law enforcement (FBI), the intelligence system, arts and entertainment, as well as many organizations now controlled through the prism of politics. Political ideology, as the determining factor of institutional behavior, has infected almost every facet of modern life; healthcare is no exception.

Given the nature of the metastatic corruption, very visible in multiple institutions, it is completely understandable that more people would not trust the National Institute of Health (NIH), the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) or any other regulatory body or agency now vested in the COVID vaccine.

Factually, as previously stated, the FDA final approval of the vaccines is a moot point. The FDA, just like a vaccinated person, is in a no retreat position. There is no way the U.S. FDA cannot approve the vaccines that have been sold, forced and pushed upon the entire global population. Can you even begin to imagine the ramifications of the FDA saying the vaccine was (a) unsafe; or (b) ineffective? Think about it. FDA approval is a foregone conclusion, regardless of safety or efficacy.

There is every reason not to trust the healthcare industry on the issue of vaccination(s). Indeed, their obtuse behavior, logical disconnect, false assertions and gross hypocrisy is more than enough to create doubt about the vaccine. Then overlay the lack of consequence for all known institutional corruption, and there’s even more reason to doubt them.

♦ Two key issues stick in my mind about the COVID vaccines that make me pretty firm in opposition:

(1) The fact that vaccine makers would abandon the clinical trial control group is a big red flag. The fact that vaccine makers could not abandon the clinical trial control group without authorization from the FDA, CDC and NIH is an even bigger red flag. {Go Deep}

The clinical trial was assembled to produce only one result. THAT is not science. THAT is sketchy and points to an ulterior motive. That is not science, that’s political science.

(2) The fact that data shows the vaccine provides no benefit is another big red flag. Specifically, the equal hospitalization rate of vaxxed and non-vaxxed patients. Almost every study I can find with data on COVID hospitalized cases that includes the vaccination status (not many), shows an equal percentage of vaccinated/hospitalized people to the vaccinated population in general. {Go Deep}

[ex. If 75% of the regional population is vaccinated, then 75% of the hospitalized COVID patients are vaccinated.] This statistic demonstrates the vaccine doesn’t stop serious illness.

Put both of those issues together, and overlay the demonstrably collapsed institutional credibility, and I am not comfortable with this specific vaccine.

I am not anti-VAX, I am not comfortable with THIS specific vaccination. And, again, once administered there is no retreat.

We should all cherish, respect and value the differences of opinion of this very personal issue. Healthcare is a personal and private matter. Other people have different factors, risk-factors and hundreds of considerations that guide or have guided their decision. We should all respect that; and we do not want to see ‘vaccination status‘ become a fragmentation problem for our CTH community. We are all in the same foxhole.

♦ALL OF THAT said, Dr. Ryan Cole is a Mayo-trained physician who has seen over 350,000 patients in his career. He also serves as the CEO of Cole Diagnostics, which has processed over 100,000 Coronavirus tests. Dr. Cole gave an alarming presentation that merits consideration:

WATCH VIDEO HERE
https://rumble.com/vkopys-a-pa...nd-other-organs.html

In response to criticism for his position, Dr. Cole wrote:

“I am concerned about the lack of long term safety data, because this vaccine is simply too new. We have never tried an mRNA vaccine in humans before. I am concerned about the implications of injection of foreign, synthetic mRNA and the antibody reaction which cannot be reversed. It concerns me that large numbers of individuals are being essentially enrolled in a long term phase III clinical trial for the vaccine without being fully informed of this, with no ability for recompense if injured or in case of death. I am concerned by the number of adverse event and deaths that have been reported in correlation with this vaccine administration.”

https://theconservativetreehou...impacts/#more-215046

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Originally posted by Lefty Sig:
The democrats have to keep this going for another year so they can justify another round of mail in ballots and all the other stuff they did in 2020. Pretty obvious that's the plan. String it out as long as they can.

Exactly what they are doing.

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Originally posted by kkina:

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Originally posted by triggertreat:

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Originally posted by kkina:
Over-cycling the PCR test would indeed be the one case where false positives could be significantly high. However, I find it hard to believe that the testing protocols were dialed in with high Ct values on any kind of widespread basis.

They did it in Michigan!

I know, but I did say "widespread".

Almost 11 million people in Michigan, how do you define wide spread?

If it was done here, it is likely it was done elsewhere.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
^^^ To piggy back off that...



Seriously, who are these dim-witted, ghoulish parents? I will raise holy hell if they try to make my daughters wear masks again.

This is nothing short of child abuse. Every parent unwilling to educate themselves on this bug and opts to cram little Suzie in a face mask should be ashamed of themselves.

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(1) The fact that vaccine makers would abandon the clinical trial control group is a big red flag. The fact that vaccine makers could not abandon the clinical trial control group without authorization from the FDA, CDC and NIH is an even bigger red flag. {Go Deep}

“I am concerned about the lack of long term safety data, because this vaccine is simply too new. We have never tried an mRNA vaccine in humans before. I am concerned about the implications of injection of foreign, synthetic mRNA and the antibody reaction which cannot be reversed.

These two items are more than enough motivation for me to stay away from these vaccines for now. They should also be more than enough justification for those pushing the poke to stay off my back and leave me alone.

A rare look at the other side of the debate. This is the kind of information that is suppressed and censored.

https://www.medscape.com/sites...lated-adverse-events

Masks are back. 3/4 of the people at the grocery store tonight we're masked up. Jesus.

CDC Director Makes Case Vaccination Passports are Futile, Vaccines Do Not Prevent COVID Infection or Delta Variant Transmission

https://theconservativetreehou...ariant-transmission/

The Director of the CDC made an important admission during an interview today on CNN. CDC Director Rochelle Walensky stated the vaccine does not prevent COVID-19 infection, nor does it stop the vaccinated person from transmitting the infection or the delta variant. According to Director Walensky, the only benefit from the vaccine now is presumably that it reduces the severity of symptoms.

If a vaccinated and non-vaccinated person have the same capacity to carry, shed and transmit the virus – with or without symptoms – then what difference does a vaccination passport or vaccination ID make?

According to the CDC TODAY, both the vaxxed and non-vaxxed person walking into a restaurant, store, group, venue or workplace present the exact same risk to other people there, so how does the presentation of proof of vaccine make any difference? WATCH:




Additionally, her entire statement makes no sense. There is no evidence that vaccinated asymptomatic carriers are asymptomatic because of the vaccine. There are likely just as many asymptomatic non-vaccinated carriers. The data shows an equally distributed infection rate regardless of vaccination rate, which is simultaneously admitted by Direcor Walensky, which, as an outcome, is an admission that undercuts the entire argument for compulsory vaccines.


The reverse is also evident in the data. There are just as many vaxxed carriers who are symptomatic (ie. sick), as there are un-vaxxed carriers who are symptomatic (ie. sick). The percentage of vaxxed and non-vaxxed people hospitalized it identical to the vaxxed/non-vaxxed population around the hospital.

In regional populations with extremely high vaccination rates, the COVID infection rate continues unabated. The percentage of vaccinated people hospitalized is identical to the percentage of people vaccinated in the community.

In Gibraltar, 99% of the population vaccinated; COVID infection rate climbs. In Iceland over 75% of population vaccinated; infection rate climbs. Singapore and Israel show the same thing :

https://nworeport.me/2021/07/3...pulation-vaccinated/

So what value is the vaccination passport?