99+% of the people in airports are still wearing masks because the feds (TSA, FAA, some other TLA) has mandated it in airports, and those of us flying on a regular basis don’t want to get on a no fly list.

I'm anticipating that when flu season starts everyone will start crying for mandatory masks again. I can hear it now "Masks were highly effective in the prevention of covid, shouldn't we be saving lives during flu season too?" And maybe we'll get another lockdown too, just to be safe.

I wouldn't worry about the flu. We cured it. And pneumonia as well.

Not one single person died of the flu after March 1, 2020.

I don't think anyone will die of the flu this year or next.

More from CDC’s top-notch ACIP team as reported by MedpageToday.com -

ACIP Backs Flu and COVID Vaccine Co-Administration

Some snips from the article -

“In a unanimous 14-0 vote on Thursday, the committee approved language for co-administration of influenza and COVID-19 vaccines, in line with current CDC guidance that says COVID-19 vaccines can be administered with other vaccines, though providers should be aware of increased reactogenicity.”

“Some ACIP members took issue with the lack of data on co-administration in children, though CDC staff noted there had been one pre-print examining co-administration of influenza vaccine and the Novavax COVID-19 vaccine that showed no changes in antibody titers for influenza vaccine and no safety issues.”

Who needs data these days? Data is a nuisance that only gets in the way of advancing the Progressive cause.

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Originally posted by Nuclear:

...those of us flying on a regular basis don’t want to get on a no fly list.

Yup. We're flying to Iceland on vacation in a couple weeks, I expect we'll have to mask up as soon as we enter the terminal here. Don't like it one bit, but we're tired of staying home.

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Originally posted by Nuclear:
99+% of the people in airports are still wearing masks because the feds (TSA, FAA, some other TLA) has mandated it in airports, and those of us flying on a regular basis don’t want to get on a no fly list.

Hey, slick. I fly on a very regular basis (2-3 times a month and have not slowed down during the past year) and have never once worn a mask walking through an airport. Only time I've put it on is entering a lounge or when boarding the plane. It comes off as soon as I'm in my seat.

If everyone did what I did, this crap would end pretty damn fast.

ACIP Backs Flu and COVID Vaccine Co-Administration

Nope, won't affect me in the least...I NEVER ever got a flu shot before COVID, and I DEFINITELY won't be getting this one!

Plus, I hear we eradicated the flu anyway...

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Originally posted by nhtagmember:
I wouldn't worry about the flu. We cured it. And pneumonia as well.

Not one single person died of the flu after March 1, 2020.

I don't think anyone will die of the flu this year or next.

I believe you are a bit confused. So long as these 'experts' and government types control the paperwork and reporting, people can die of just about anything, so long as it supports the agenda. Remember the guy in Florida who ran his motorcycle through a pickup truck removing a substantial portion of his skull and was listed as a Covid death. Personally, I don't think we should believe a word, a number, or a report coming out of Washington. Nothing.

I believe that was sarcasm Bigdeal. I think they should outlaw whoppers, fries and cigarettes if they’re really concerned about saving lives. Wear helmets when you’re in a car.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by Nuclear:
99+% of the people in airports are still wearing masks because the feds (TSA, FAA, some other TLA) has mandated it in airports, and those of us flying on a regular basis don’t want to get on a no fly list.

Hey, slick. I fly on a very regular basis (2-3 times a month and have not slowed down during the past year) and have never once worn a mask walking through an airport. Only time I've put it on is entering a lounge or when boarding the plane. It comes off as soon as I'm in my seat.

If everyone did what I did, this crap would end pretty damn fast.

Why do you wear it in the lounge or while boarding?

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Originally posted by MNSIG:


Why do you wear it in the lounge or while boarding?

Is this a serious question? I'm not looking to get banned from flying. I have to fly for work. I'm not going to create a scene at the gate. That's a futile battle. But walking through an airport...no one will say a damn word to you if you go maskless.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by MNSIG:


Why do you wear it in the lounge or while boarding?

Is this a serious question? I'm not looking to get banned from flying. I have to fly for work. I'm not going to create a scene at the gate. That's a futile battle. But walking through an airport...no one will say a damn word to you if you go maskless.

Having flown maybe 5 times since the pandemic, on all the flights the flight attendants were very militant about me wearing my mask over my mouth and nose...so ...serious question...how do you *not* wear a mask on the flight?

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Originally posted by MNSIG:

Why do you wear it in the lounge or while boarding?

I suspect Alan was simply illustrating the absurd and unenforceable nature of mask mandates. You must wear a mask here while nobody challenges you if you don't wear a mask there. I dutifully wore my mask for the 10 - 15 minutes I shopped for groceries. This wasn't because I believed in the omnipotent power of the mask but rather I wished to avoid potential interaction with anyone regarding mask etiquette. One must choose their battles. Fifteen minutes of mask wearing is preferable to having an altercation with some do-gooder in the Food King.

Alex Berenson on Twitter:

"When you’ve been reduced to explaining vaccines aren’t a war crime, the narrative is not going your way…"

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by MNSIG:


Why do you wear it in the lounge or while boarding?

Is this a serious question? I'm not looking to get banned from flying. I have to fly for work. I'm not going to create a scene at the gate. That's a futile battle. But walking through an airport...no one will say a damn word to you if you go maskless.

It is. You said if everyone just joined with you and defied the rules "this crap would end pretty damn fast". You obviously are balancing your beliefs against mask mandates (I don't agree with them, either) with practicality and the personal consequences of violating the rule. I think that's what Nuclear was getting at when you called him out.

Masks are a thing of the past in NW Montana. 250 people at church yesterday- 1 mask. I was in a sporting goods store waiting to check out. I was apparently waaaay to close to some damn tourist who asked me to step back. I couldn’t understand her so a I asked her to repeat about 3 times. She said I was in her space. I just backed up and chuckled. Life is just tough for some.

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Originally posted by bcereuss:


Having flown maybe 5 times since the pandemic, on all the flights the flight attendants were very militant about me wearing my mask over my mouth and nose...so ...serious question...how do you *not* wear a mask on the flight?

I'm literally always eating or drinking something. Beyond that I'm very discreet. I've been asked a few times nicely to wear it by a flight attendant if she notices me without a mask. I kindly then put it on, but usually not for long. Like I said, I'm not out to create a scene. If I sense that a certain flight attendant is extremely militant, then I'm more cautious about flaunting these absurd rules in front of her. But the fact still remains, I have remained 90% maskless on the 30 or so flights I've flown on since the middle of last year.

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Originally posted by mcrimm:
Masks are a thing of the past in NW Montana. 250 people at church yesterday- 1 mask. I was in a sporting goods store waiting to check out. I was apparently waaaay to close to some damn tourist who asked me to step back. I couldn’t understand her so a I asked her to repeat about 3 times. She said I was in her space. I just backed up and chuckled. Life is just tough for some.

Sorry, I can't understand you! You've got to speak clearer with that mask on your face!

More Data Confirms Risk Of COVID-19 Death, Serious Illness Very Low In Children

https://www.zerohedge.com/covi...ss-very-low-children

The risk of death or severe illness from COVID-19 in teenagers and children is extremely low, according to three new studies from the United Kingdom.

The studies provide the most detailed analysis to date on the impact of the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) virus on children and confirm earlier findings for those aged 18 and younger: that they are at very low risk of becoming severely ill or dying from the disease.

Researchers from the University of Liverpool, the University College of London, the University of York, and the University of Bristol published their pre-print studies, which are in the process of being peer-reviewed, online on July 8. Two of the studies analyzed the risks of severe illness and death from COVID-19, while one focused only on deaths.

The preliminary findings will be submitted to the World Health Organization and the UK’s Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunization, which is still considering whether to expand the use of Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine to children aged 12 to 17 in the country. All four COVID-19 vaccines authorized for use in the UK are only for people 18 and older.

Russel Viner, a senior author on two of the studies and a professor of adolescent health at the University College London’s Great Ormond Street Institute of Child Health, said that the findings “will inform shielding guidance for young people as well as decisions about the vaccination of teenagers and children, not just in the UK, but internationally,” according to a statement.

While the studies did not include information specific to the effects of the Delta variant, there is currently no evidence that it causes more severe disease or death in children.

“Although this data covers up to February 2021, this hasn’t changed recently with the Delta variant,” said Dr. Elizabeth Whittaker, senior clinical lecturer in pediatric infectious diseases and immunology at Imperial College London. “We hope this data will be reassuring for children and young people and their families.”

Deaths Rare, Mostly in Children with Underlying Health Conditions
In the study that focused on deaths only, researchers analyzed England’s national databases, including the mandatory National Child Mortality Database, to identify all children under 18 who have died as a result of COVID-19 between March 2020 to February 2021.

During the first year of the pandemic in England, of the 3,105 children who had died from all causes, 61 were children who had tested positive for the CCP virus.

But after “differentiating between those who died of SARS-CoV-2 infection and those who died of an alternative cause but coincidentally tested positive,” the researchers determined that only 25 of the 61 children had died of COVID-19 in a population of over 12 million children.

This equated to a mortality rate of about two in a million.

SARS-CoV-2 is the scientific name for the CCP virus that causes the disease COVID-19.

Of the 25 children who died with COVID-19, 15 had a life-limiting condition, 16 had multiple comorbidities, and 19 had an underlying chronic health condition.

The researchers found that the “comorbidity group at highest risk [for death] were those with complex neurodisability, who comprised 52 [percent] of all deaths” in children who died of COVID-19.

“Those young people at higher risk are those who are also at higher risk from any winter virus or other illness—that is, young people with multiple health conditions and complex disabilities,” Viner said. “COVID-19 does, however, increase the risks for people in these groups to a higher degree than for illnesses such as influenza (seasonal flu).”

Only six (24 percent) of the 25 COVID-19 deaths appeared to not have underlying health conditions.

In addition, the researchers found no deaths in children with an isolated diagnosis of a respiratory condition like asthma, type 1 diabetes, down syndrome, or epilepsy.

However, the researchers noted that “during the same time period studied, there were 124 deaths from suicide and 268 deaths from trauma, emphasizing COVID-19 is rarely fatal” in children and teenagers.

Underlying Health Conditions Increase Risk of Severe Illness
A different study that examined “81 existing studies assessing risk factors for severe illness and death from COVID-19 among young people” found that pre-existing health conditions and severe disabilities increased the risk of severe disease.

Children who had a heart or neurological condition, more than one medical condition, or were obese were at higher risk. However, the absolute risks were still small even when compared to children without comorbidity.

“It’s important to remember that the risks are very low for all children and young people,” said Lorna Frasier, professor of epidemiology at the University of York and senior author of the study. “Even when we found higher risks for some groups with severe medical problems, these risks were still very small compared to risks seen in adults.”

“Our meta-analysis found similar risk factors to the other studies, although we also found that obesity increased the risk of severe COVID-19 illness, something we’ve known for some time in adults but is only now becoming evident as an important risk in children and young people too,” said pediatric surgeon Dr. Rachel Harwood who is the lead-author of the study.

Hospitalizations Remain Low Overall
In a third study (pdf) that examined risk factors for death and intensive care admission, researchers concluded that children and teenagers were at “very low risk of severe disease and death from COVID-19 or PIMS-TS [pediatric inflammatory multisystem syndrome-temporarily associated with SARS-CoV-2].”

Researchers found that, of the 5,830 children admitted to the hospital with COVID-19, 251 were admitted to the intensive care unit (ICU) in England during the first year of the pandemic, up until the end of February 2021. This equated to children “having a one in approximately 50,000 chance of being admitted to intensive care with COVID-19 during that time.”

Within the same period, more than 367,000 children were admitted to the hospital for other causes.

Of those 251 admitted to the ICU, 91 percent (n=229) had an underlying health condition or comorbidity. Those at greatest risk were children with multiple medical conditions and neurological disorders.

“This pattern is described in previous work, and is consistent with our meta-analysis of the published data, where each increase in the number of pre-existing conditions was associated with increased odds of PICU [pediatric intensive care unit] admission and death for COVID-19,” the authors wrote.

The authors also found that 309 children were admitted to the ICU with PIMS-TS, a rare inflammatory condition in children due to COVID-19, “equating to an absolute risk of one in 39,000.”

“It is reassuring that these findings reflect our clinical experience in hospital—we see very few seriously unwell children,” Whittaker said.

CDC Still Recommending Masks for Unvaccinated Students
A day after the studies were published online, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) released updated guidance on how to prevent COVID-19 in K-12 schools, saying that cloth masks and physical distancing of three feet were still recommended for students who are not fully vaccinated when indoors.

Other preventative measures recommended by the CDC include the promotion of vaccines among students, screening tests to identify those who are infected, improving ventilation, contact tracing, and proper hand hygiene.

“Vaccination is currently the leading public health prevention strategy to end the COVID-19 pandemic,” the CDC said, adding that the promotion of “vaccination can help schools safely return to in-person learning as well as extracurricular activities and sports.”

COVID-19 vaccines have been recommended for adolescents aged 12 to 15 years in the United States since May.

n June, the CDC continued its recommendation of emergency use-approved messenger RNA COVID-19 vaccines to everyone 12 years and older despite higher than normal reports of heart inflammation in young men following an mRNA vaccine, citing that the benefits of the vaccine outweighs the risk of heart inflammation.

The one-size-fits-all approach and rush to vaccinate healthy children and teenagers without adequate safety and efficacy data has been concerning to some doctors and parents, as the risk of severe illness or death is extremely low for this age group. Furthermore, young children have not been reported to be superspreaders of the CCP virus.

Viner in an opinion piece published in The Guardian said that public health officials should wait until there is enough safety data before vaccinating healthy teenagers.

“I believe it is reasonable to now offer to vaccinate teenagers with chronic diseases and medical conditions that make them more vulnerable. As for healthy teenagers, let’s first use our vaccine supplies to raise adult vaccination levels as high as possible, provide boosters for the elderly and fulfill our promises to provide vaccines for poorer countries. Then, we should vaccinate healthy teenagers once we have adequate safety data—but for this we must wait,” he wrote.

The Epoch Times has reached out to the CDC for comment on whether its recommendations also apply to children who have recovered from COVID-19 and have natural immunity.