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Originally posted by BamaJeepster:
If you are in the Army prepare for your jab if you haven't had one already.

The Navy also recently told sailors to expect a mandatory vaccination program despite having the highest vaccine acceptance rate thus far.

Ok, I've accused the federal government of being the dumbest entity to ever exist on planet earth, and this sort of BS just proves my point once again. Wouldn't it make far more sense to simply test soldiers to see if they have the T cell anti-bodies in their system before mandating they take a vaccine that they may not need? Oops, I forgot, this is all about control and money. Carry on retards...

That canary cage liner, the NYT, actually printed the truth for once; illegal immigrant centers (I refuse to call these people “migrant detainees”) show surging Covid numbers. The asshole DemocRATS are prepping the country for the next lockdown despite continually dropping numbers. But will they lock the border? Of course not.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/w...rus-updates.amp.html

The news and stats from Israel and Australia are controlled narratives.

Does anyone believe otherwise?

Lambda-Lambda-Lambda. Makes me want to go watch Revenge of the Nerds again.

The Great Big 'Delta' Scariant

“Even more serious”? Well, yes, it can become more contagious, but then it loses lethality. Maybe that’s what we want. Maybe we want a virus that everyone can be infected by, and build resistance to, without serious consequences. Maybe that’s even what we should aim for. And also, maybe that’s what we already have, with survival rates of 99.99% among most people.

And maybe, just maybe, a one-dimensional “solution” in the shape of an experimental vaccine is the worst response of all. Because it doesn’t protect from anything other than more severe disease, while unleashing potential adverse effects for decades to come in the inoculated. Maybe one dimension simply doesn’t cut it. Maybe we should not refuse to prevent people from becoming infected, or to treat them in the early stages of the disease.

Maybe the traumatic effects of lockdowns and facemasks should be part of “benefits and risks” models. And maybe we should start trying vitamin D, ivermectin and HCQ on a very large scale. No research, you say? There’s more research for those approaches than for the vaccines. But it’s largely been halted in the west to maintain the viability of the one-dimension “solution”; the medical Siamese twin of the Trusted News Initiative, one might say. Of which The Atlantic is also a valued member, look at this gem:

The 3 Simple Rules That Underscore the Danger of Delta

2. The variants are pummeling unvaccinated people.

Vaccinated people are safer than ever despite the variants. But unvaccinated people are in more danger than ever because of the variants. Even though they’ll gain some protection from the immunity of others, they also tend to cluster socially and geographically, seeding outbreaks even within highly vaccinated communities.

The U.K., where half the population is fully vaccinated, “can be a cautionary tale,” Hanage told me. Since Delta’s ascendancy, the country’s cases have increased sixfold. Long-COVID cases will likely follow. Hospitalizations have almost doubled. That’s not a sign that the vaccines are failing. It is a sign that even highly vaccinated countries host plenty of vulnerable people.

[..] And new variants are still emerging. Lambda, the latest to be recognized by the WHO, is dominant in Peru and spreading rapidly in South America. Many nations that excelled at protecting their citizens are now facing a triple threat: They controlled COVID-19 so well that they have little natural immunity; they don’t have access to vaccines; and they’re besieged by Delta.

First, the vaccines don’t confer immunity on the jabbed, there is no evidence of that. Second, a large majority of healthy people have an immune system strong enough to fight off the infection, even without ever being infected. So to suggest that unvaccinated people might “gain some protection from the immunity of” the vaccinated is simply nonsense.

As for “Delta’s ascendancy”, yes, cases are rising in the UK and Israel, two highly vaccinated countries. Not that anyone would acknowledge a possible connection there: it’s all despite the vaccines, not because of them. But as the graph below shows, while cases there are up a lot, hospitalization and deaths are not over the past month. They barely register.



In another graph, the Delta variant Case Fatality Rate in the UK even appears 8 times higher among the fully vaccinated than the unvaccinated.



Maybe the press should pay a little more attention to that, instead of the Great Big Delta Scare. All they do today is sell fear and vaccines, but that will backfire, promise.

And what goes for the press is also valid for politicians and their “experts”: there will come a day that people realize you could have focused on prophylactics and early treatment, but chose not to. And that this cost a lot of lives and other misery. What are you going to do then? Apologize?

https://www.zerohedge.com/covi...t-big-delta-scariant

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Originally posted by chellim1:

while cases there are up a lot, hospitalization and deaths are not over the past month. They barely register.

Look at the posts from our member from Australia. They’ve got that entire country locked down over 75 people hospitalized with Covid.

Not 750,000 people
Not 7,500 people
Not 750 people

75 people. Out of a total population of 25 million.

This is sickening

Just let me know when we hit the Foxtrot variant. That one is a doozy.

West Virginia Gov. Jim Justice, R, had blunter words Sunday when asked about vaccine hesitancy, particularly among young people, despite the incentives states are offering that include lottery prizes and college scholarships.

"The red states probably have a lot of people that are very, very conservative in their thinking and they think, 'Well, I don't have to do that.' But they're not thinking right," Justice said on ABC's "This Week." The governor has aggressively urged his residents to get vaccinated for months, and West Virginia has been offering everything from college scholarships to free hunting and fishing licenses as incentives.

Despite that, only 52 percent of adults in West Virginia have gotten at least one dose of the vaccine. Justice expressed frustration with the stalled efforts, particularly with getting young people "across the finish line."

"When it really boils right down to it, they're in a lottery to themselves," he said. "We have a lottery that says if you're vaccinated we're going to give you stuff. Well, you've got another lottery for them, and it's a death lottery."

Justice added that he thought the only thing that would compel some holdouts to get vaccinated would be the deaths of friends and family.

"What would put them over the edge is an awful lot of people dying," he said. "The only way it's really going to happen is a catastrophe that none of us want. We just have to keep trying."

On CBS's "Face the Nation," Gov. Spencer Cox, R-Utah, explained that his state's lower vaccination rate was partly the result of having the country's youngest population, adding that adults in Utah are getting vaccinated at the same rate as rest of nation. He called the vaccination gap among Republicans "troubling" and said "hopefully reason will rule."

https://news.yahoo.com/gop-gov...rcome-194440369.html

Balzé Halzé: Your governor has called the vaccination gap among Republicans "troubling" and said "hopefully reason will rule."
So... I guess he's calling you unreasonable.

Yes, by all means, governor- we need a few people to die so that the young people will say "Hey! People are dying! I should get vaccinated!"

I've no doubt that it's that kind of logic which swept you into office.

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On CBS's "Face the Nation," Gov. Spencer Cox, R-Utah, explained that his state's lower vaccination rate was partly the result of having the country's youngest population, adding that adults in Utah are getting vaccinated at the same rate as rest of nation. He called the vaccination gap among Republicans "troubling" and said "hopefully reason will rule."

"Reason"?? You're trying to force people to have an experimental drug injected into their body, and you want to talk about "reason"? Reason has not prevailed and shall not prevail. If it had and was, we wouldn't have government officials trying to bribe or brow-beat citizens into allowing their bodies to be changed in ways no one actually knows at this point, and I do mean no one.

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Originally posted by chellim1:

Balzé Halzé: Your governor has called the vaccination gap among Republicans "troubling" and said "hopefully reason will rule."
So... I guess he's calling you unreasonable.

These people confound me. Truly they do. Para explained perfectly the Kafka like insanity of those in authority invoking "reason" in regards to taking an experimental drug that young adults statistically have zero risk from, so I'll let that speak for me.

Cox is a squish.

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Originally posted by chellim1:
West Virginia Gov. Jim Justice, R, had blunter words Sunday when asked about vaccine hesitancy...

See, Dem's aren't the only morons parroting this BS. With few exceptions, the entire political class is totally complicit with the lies. And when you have to resort to bribing people to take the poke, you've completely lost the debate.

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Originally posted by bigdeal:

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Originally posted by chellim1:
West Virginia Gov. Jim Justice, R, had blunter words Sunday when asked about vaccine hesitancy...

See, Dem's aren't the only morons parroting this BS. With few exceptions, the entire political class is totally complicit with the lies. And when you have to resort to bribing people to take the poke, you've completely lost the debate.

I still don't get the vaccine fight. For those against it, it's not as bad as COVID, just consult your doctor and make an educated decision that you feel comfortable with. For those super pro vaccine and trying to exclude or limit freedoms of the unvaccinated, why? If the vaccine works get it yourself and don't worry about other people's personal health decisions. One it's none of your business what other people's vaccine status is, and two if it works so great you're safe no matter what your neighbor does.

^^ Jesse, what you say makes total sense. But making total sense is not what control freaks are all about.

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Originally posted by Skins2881:
...just consult your doctor and make an educated decision that you feel comfortable with.

Educated decision? You mean like the millions of people who were stewed in constant VIRUS DEATH PANIC for months on end and fairly fell the fuck all over themselves to be injected with an untested drug?

Five years from now. Ten years from now. What are the longterm effects? You don't know, because no one knows, because standard clinical trials were thrown out the window because of the urgency brought about by the manufactured PANIC. People weren't educated into getting the vaccine- they were scared shitless into getting the vaccine and now, the ones they can't scare, they're trying to bribe with trinkets, or use the force of law. Disgusting

There's money to be made, there's control to be had. Just upset the panicky cattle enough and you'll be living in a gated community in no time. Yes, the $$ will just roll in, buddy.

I refuse to be any part of this lunacy.

Even my GP refused to get it until he'd seen several million people beta test it first....

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Originally posted by Skins2881:
Knock, knock. Who's there? Vaccine patrol.

Keep this in mind as you read the other thread in the Lounge about Cuomo declaring 'gun violence' a pandemic and using emergency powers. Everything they are doing for Covid they are going to try to use for their other pet projects. Lightfoot has declared a 'racism' pandemic in Chicago so she can use Covid funds for her cronies. Cuomo is enacting a raft of illegal restrictions in NY based on his declaration of a 'gun violence' pandemic. Every tool they use in the name of Covid will be brought back to use in whatever they deem to be a 'pandemic'. Door to door checks for illegal guns? Door to door checks on any indications of white supremacy? Sounds crazy, doesn't it? How crazy do you think someone would be deemed if they went back to February of 2020 and described what has taken place over the past year and a half?

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Sounds crazy, doesn't it? How crazy do you think someone would be deemed if they went back to February of 2020 and described what has taken place over the past year and a half?

I'd tell them to get their crazy conspiracy shit out of here. Yet, here we are.

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Originally posted by Skins2881:

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Sounds crazy, doesn't it? How crazy do you think someone would be deemed if they went back to February of 2020 and described what has taken place over the past year and a half?

I'd tell them to get their crazy conspiracy shit out of here. Yet, here we are.

Conspiracy theorists are turning professional.

I am not going to put a rushed, untested, government sponsored substance into my body. Especially not fore a virus that is fatal in 2-3% of cases. My life my choice. Para is spot on what five years or ten years what are the side effects. I remember reading about Thalidomide, not that long ago.


https://helix.northwestern.edu...afety-and-regulation

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Originally posted by Skins2881:
I still don't get the vaccine fight.

Let me sum it up for you as concisely as I can. I'm in my fifties and healthy. I have no health issues at all to speak of. As such, even the CDC's data shows I am not in a risk category and have less than a .03% chance of dying if infected with this virus (i.e. a lower chance than being hit by lightning). As such, I do not in any way fear this virus. So why would I opt to take a vaccine only being utilized under an Emergency Use Authorization because it has not been fully vetted, for something I have virtually a zero chance of being hurt by? Then the government walks in and is doing everything in its power to coerce and/or manipulate me (and others like me) into getting in line to take the poke. The overwhelming question that should occur to everyone is...why? If you're vaccinated, you're supposedly safe from the unvaccinated like me. If I already had and recovered from Covid, I have the same T-cell anti-bodies in my system you do via your experimental vaccine, so again, why the push for that group (which is huge) to be vaccinated? And why push to vaccinate children who have an incalculably small percentage of acquiring, suffering from, or spreading Covid, especially in the face of data starting to flow noting there 'may' be 'some' issues for 'some' younger people with the vaccines?

This whole thing has been nothing but a continual flow of complete and utter bullshit and lies. And in light of the information I offered above, I don't think its a conspiracy theory to speculate the government is solely interested in the $$$ and control they can generate out of this opportunity. It damn sure ain't out of a concern for public health.