^^^
We’ll see when the first lawsuits get filed.

It occurs to me that it is possible that the people with adverse reactions to the spike protein synthesis created by the mRNA vaccines may also be the same people most susceptible to COVID in the first place.

People with comorbidities may die of normal viral replication and associated destruction of their cells, hence the risk to the elderly and infirm. But otherwise healthy people under 60 that have been hospitalized or died from COVID may have reacted to the effects of the spike protein. Those same people may also have reacted to the mRNA vaccines had they gotten them.

So if the vaccination rate in younger people is higher than the infection rate, you would get more issues from the vaccine than from infection. In the end, it may be a wash - if you didn't react to the vaccine, you probably would have not had a bad case of COVID, and vice versa.

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
Not a surprise. I remember the mandatory Anthrax vaccine program.

I avoided it when I told the doc Mrs. Mike and I were trying to conceive. It was one of the few ways to avoid it. We were trying having spent about 50k thus far to do in vitro, etc…

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Originally posted by Jupiter:
I'm not looking for comments.

Impossible

No more new threads on this subject, please

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I just got back from the first bluegrass jam of the year. The fiddler, a former chemistry teacher who totes around a $50k violin and has education, says all of the Wuhan scientists and lab staff were murdered by the regime. Regarding the virus escaping, was it planned? Maybe not but why let a catastrophe go to waste? Some people think it was a test run for China's global population reduction plan.

Well, if we're all going to be dead in 20-50 years, I'll go ahead and have that second slice of pie. With ice cream, like last time.

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$50k violin and has education,

^^^^^^^^^
Hmmmmm. Seems those folks are most inclined to believe in aliens and conspiracies.

Israel is one of the most vaccinated countries in the world. A sort of petri dish to see how effective the Pfizer vaccine is. They exclusively went with Pfizer.

If this is accurate they are running into problems, and who knows how accurate the media is. Anyway here is the article.


COVID vaccine only 64% effective against Delta variant - Israeli research

https://www.jpost.com/breaking...nocompromised-672894

In the past month, the coronavirus vaccine has proven to be 64% effective against symptomatic infection by the Delta variant, the Health Ministry reported Monday. It then gave the green light for a booster shot for immunocompromised patients, as the coronavirus cabinet prepares to meet today to discuss new measures to fight against the new outbreak.

Although the ministry also reported that the inoculation’s ability to prevent serious morbidity has remained very high, currently standing at 93%, the cabinet is expected to discuss the possibility of additional restrictions on the public.

Among others, the authorities will examine an outline to bring back a version of the“green pass” for venues and gatherings mostly attended by unvaccinated or vulnerable audiences – like children or the elderly. Until a few weeks ago, the green pass system limited access to certain activities only to vaccinated and recovered individuals, or to children not eligible for a jab with a negative PCR test.
The move was recommended in a meeting of the Advisory Committee for Corona Vaccines Sunday night.

ACCORDING TO Israeli media, health officials will also recommend demanding an additional test for all those entering Israel from abroad after four days, as well as expanding the list of countries from where incoming travelers are required to quarantine even if they are inoculated or recovered.

The list currently includes only a limited number of nations under travel ban: Argentina, Brazil, India, Mexico, Russia and South Africa. If the recommendation will be accepted, the number of countries would increase significantly to include all those which at the moment are under travel warning, but having no practical consequences for travelers, such as Turkey, Cyprus and the United Arab Emirates.

The government is also expected to step up enforcement against those who fail to wear their masks in closed public spaces.

According to a member of the advisory committee who spoke to The Jerusalem Post, the health officials will not recommend reinstating the “Purple Ribbon” program, which reduced the number of people allowed in stores and other businesses, among other restrictions.

AS OF 6 p.m. on Monday, some 369 cases had already been identified, marking a new three-month daily record.

Some 343 new virus carriers were identified on Sunday, with 0.7% of the 50,000 tests processed returning a positive result. Four weeks earlier, there were only six new cases, out of about 17,000 tests performed – less than 0.1% positive. In the last weekdays of last week, around 300-320 new cases were found per day. Experts believe that in the upcoming days, Israel will register as many as 500-600 new virus carriers per day – and the number could climb further.

At the same time, since the beginning of the new outbreak, the increase in serious morbidity has been minimal. On Monday, the number of serious patients stood at 35. At its lowest in mid-June, it stood at 21. In April, with a similar number of active cases in the country, Israel had over 100 such patients, and at the peak of the pandemic in January there were more than 1,200.
In addition, in the past three weeks, only one patient succumbed to the virus.

According to health officials, some 90% of current cases in the country are of the Delta variant.

Among those infected, almost half are schoolchildren, a significant percentage of whom were already fully vaccinated – more than 40% in the past week.

IN THE PAST, health officials and experts repeatedly emphasized that the vaccine was never known to be 100% effective, and in a country with such a high rate of immunized population – about 56% – it was normal that some of them would catch the virus.

However, as noted, the ministry’s new data revealed that as the Delta variant spread, the inoculation seemed have become less effective in preventing people from contracting the virus, although both children and vaccinated individuals are unlikely to develop a serious form of the disease – which might help explain why the rise in morbidity has not been followed by an equivalent raise in serious cases – at least up until now.

However, the rate of unvaccinated patients among those who are currently in serious condition is decreasing drastically. On Sunday, the patients in serious conditions who were not vaccinated stood at 57% – including one child and one pregnant woman. In the past few months, they were almost 90%.

Among the patients hospitalized, the rate stood at almost 53%.

Rambam Medical Center in Haifa said that of the six patients hospitalized in their coronavirus ward, only one was not inoculated.

Four patients in serious conditions – all of them over 75 – were fully immunized, as is a woman who just gave birth and is in mild condition.

AS RECOMMENDED by the Advisory Committee for Corona Vaccines, the Health Ministry has decided that it will move forward with offering a booster shot to individuals who are immunosuppressed.
The ministry said that it will not offer an additional shot of the Pfizer vaccine to the general public at this time, adding that there has been no official recommendation by any medical or regulatory body to give a third shot, but that such a recommendation or approval is not required.

“I have been pushing to give a third dose of the vaccine to those who are immunosuppressed,” Prof. Galia Rahav, director of the Infectious Diseases Unit at Sheba Medical Center told 103FM Radio Monday morning. “I’ve been trying to get it going for three months now and I hope it happens in the next few days.”

With regards to when a third shot might be available to the general public, Health Ministry Director-General Chezy Levy said in an interview with Israel Radio on Monday morning that this will likely not be imminent.

“In Britain, they are talking about a third shot in September-October,” he said. “We are not talking about that yet – certainly not in the coming days.”

The director-general confirmed that the experts discussed the subject on Sunday night and acknowledged that antibodies wane overtime.

“We are aware of what is happening in the world, monitoring and testing the levels of antibodies among those vaccinated,” Levy told Israel Radio.

Also on Monday, Prime Minister Naftali Bennett announced that Israel will conduct research to understand more about the Pfizer vaccine’s efficacy.

The ministry will conduct two parallel studies. One will focus on vaccinated individuals who have been infected, examining their age group, underlying medical conditions and more. The other will test cellular immunity in inoculated people through serological tests, which check the presence and level of antibodies in the blood.

Australia update:

And now, for your reading pleasure - the world’s most transmissible Covid-19 strain (say's who? Not WHO, but who) has found its way into Australia – with worrying (oh really?) research revealing it may be even more infectious than the Delta variant.

Happy joy joy.
Redonkulous.

SG forum, I introduce you to - The Lambda strain.

The Lambda strain, has puzzled World Health Organisation scientists (not surprising is it?) after it spread to nearly 30 countries in the last four weeks.

The mutation was originally discovered in Peru and is related to 81 per cent of the country’s cases since April. Peru currently has the highest covid mortality rate of anywhere in the world.

This new variant was detected in an overseas traveler who had been in hotel quarantine in April.

London’s Covid-19 Genomics Initiative at the Welcome Sanger Institute - “Lambda has a unique pattern of seven mutations in the spike protein that the virus uses to infect human cells. Researchers are particularly intrigued by one mutation called L452Q, which is similar to the L452R mutation to contribute to the high infectiousness of the Delta variant”

Aussies are just learning of this new strain now.

I'm really gonna be bothered, when the Omega strain is found and announced.

Maybe I can watch the movie.

Story source:
COVID Lambda strain in Australia

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Originally posted by BamaJeepster:
If you are in the Army prepare for your jab if you haven't had one already.

The Navy also recently told sailors to expect a mandatory vaccination program despite having the highest vaccine acceptance rate thus far.

Ok, I've accused the federal government of being the dumbest entity to ever exist on planet earth, and this sort of BS just proves my point once again. Wouldn't it make far more sense to simply test soldiers to see if they have the T cell anti-bodies in their system before mandating they take a vaccine that they may not need? Oops, I forgot, this is all about control and money. Carry on retards...

That canary cage liner, the NYT, actually printed the truth for once; illegal immigrant centers (I refuse to call these people “migrant detainees”) show surging Covid numbers. The asshole DemocRATS are prepping the country for the next lockdown despite continually dropping numbers. But will they lock the border? Of course not.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/w...rus-updates.amp.html

The news and stats from Israel and Australia are controlled narratives.

Does anyone believe otherwise?

Lambda-Lambda-Lambda. Makes me want to go watch Revenge of the Nerds again.

The Great Big 'Delta' Scariant

“Even more serious”? Well, yes, it can become more contagious, but then it loses lethality. Maybe that’s what we want. Maybe we want a virus that everyone can be infected by, and build resistance to, without serious consequences. Maybe that’s even what we should aim for. And also, maybe that’s what we already have, with survival rates of 99.99% among most people.

And maybe, just maybe, a one-dimensional “solution” in the shape of an experimental vaccine is the worst response of all. Because it doesn’t protect from anything other than more severe disease, while unleashing potential adverse effects for decades to come in the inoculated. Maybe one dimension simply doesn’t cut it. Maybe we should not refuse to prevent people from becoming infected, or to treat them in the early stages of the disease.

Maybe the traumatic effects of lockdowns and facemasks should be part of “benefits and risks” models. And maybe we should start trying vitamin D, ivermectin and HCQ on a very large scale. No research, you say? There’s more research for those approaches than for the vaccines. But it’s largely been halted in the west to maintain the viability of the one-dimension “solution”; the medical Siamese twin of the Trusted News Initiative, one might say. Of which The Atlantic is also a valued member, look at this gem:

The 3 Simple Rules That Underscore the Danger of Delta

2. The variants are pummeling unvaccinated people.

Vaccinated people are safer than ever despite the variants. But unvaccinated people are in more danger than ever because of the variants. Even though they’ll gain some protection from the immunity of others, they also tend to cluster socially and geographically, seeding outbreaks even within highly vaccinated communities.

The U.K., where half the population is fully vaccinated, “can be a cautionary tale,” Hanage told me. Since Delta’s ascendancy, the country’s cases have increased sixfold. Long-COVID cases will likely follow. Hospitalizations have almost doubled. That’s not a sign that the vaccines are failing. It is a sign that even highly vaccinated countries host plenty of vulnerable people.

[..] And new variants are still emerging. Lambda, the latest to be recognized by the WHO, is dominant in Peru and spreading rapidly in South America. Many nations that excelled at protecting their citizens are now facing a triple threat: They controlled COVID-19 so well that they have little natural immunity; they don’t have access to vaccines; and they’re besieged by Delta.

First, the vaccines don’t confer immunity on the jabbed, there is no evidence of that. Second, a large majority of healthy people have an immune system strong enough to fight off the infection, even without ever being infected. So to suggest that unvaccinated people might “gain some protection from the immunity of” the vaccinated is simply nonsense.

As for “Delta’s ascendancy”, yes, cases are rising in the UK and Israel, two highly vaccinated countries. Not that anyone would acknowledge a possible connection there: it’s all despite the vaccines, not because of them. But as the graph below shows, while cases there are up a lot, hospitalization and deaths are not over the past month. They barely register.



In another graph, the Delta variant Case Fatality Rate in the UK even appears 8 times higher among the fully vaccinated than the unvaccinated.



Maybe the press should pay a little more attention to that, instead of the Great Big Delta Scare. All they do today is sell fear and vaccines, but that will backfire, promise.

And what goes for the press is also valid for politicians and their “experts”: there will come a day that people realize you could have focused on prophylactics and early treatment, but chose not to. And that this cost a lot of lives and other misery. What are you going to do then? Apologize?

https://www.zerohedge.com/covi...t-big-delta-scariant

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Originally posted by chellim1:

while cases there are up a lot, hospitalization and deaths are not over the past month. They barely register.

Look at the posts from our member from Australia. They’ve got that entire country locked down over 75 people hospitalized with Covid.

Not 750,000 people
Not 7,500 people
Not 750 people

75 people. Out of a total population of 25 million.

This is sickening

Just let me know when we hit the Foxtrot variant. That one is a doozy.

West Virginia Gov. Jim Justice, R, had blunter words Sunday when asked about vaccine hesitancy, particularly among young people, despite the incentives states are offering that include lottery prizes and college scholarships.

"The red states probably have a lot of people that are very, very conservative in their thinking and they think, 'Well, I don't have to do that.' But they're not thinking right," Justice said on ABC's "This Week." The governor has aggressively urged his residents to get vaccinated for months, and West Virginia has been offering everything from college scholarships to free hunting and fishing licenses as incentives.

Despite that, only 52 percent of adults in West Virginia have gotten at least one dose of the vaccine. Justice expressed frustration with the stalled efforts, particularly with getting young people "across the finish line."

"When it really boils right down to it, they're in a lottery to themselves," he said. "We have a lottery that says if you're vaccinated we're going to give you stuff. Well, you've got another lottery for them, and it's a death lottery."

Justice added that he thought the only thing that would compel some holdouts to get vaccinated would be the deaths of friends and family.

"What would put them over the edge is an awful lot of people dying," he said. "The only way it's really going to happen is a catastrophe that none of us want. We just have to keep trying."

On CBS's "Face the Nation," Gov. Spencer Cox, R-Utah, explained that his state's lower vaccination rate was partly the result of having the country's youngest population, adding that adults in Utah are getting vaccinated at the same rate as rest of nation. He called the vaccination gap among Republicans "troubling" and said "hopefully reason will rule."

https://news.yahoo.com/gop-gov...rcome-194440369.html

Balzé Halzé: Your governor has called the vaccination gap among Republicans "troubling" and said "hopefully reason will rule."
So... I guess he's calling you unreasonable.

Yes, by all means, governor- we need a few people to die so that the young people will say "Hey! People are dying! I should get vaccinated!"

I've no doubt that it's that kind of logic which swept you into office.

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On CBS's "Face the Nation," Gov. Spencer Cox, R-Utah, explained that his state's lower vaccination rate was partly the result of having the country's youngest population, adding that adults in Utah are getting vaccinated at the same rate as rest of nation. He called the vaccination gap among Republicans "troubling" and said "hopefully reason will rule."

"Reason"?? You're trying to force people to have an experimental drug injected into their body, and you want to talk about "reason"? Reason has not prevailed and shall not prevail. If it had and was, we wouldn't have government officials trying to bribe or brow-beat citizens into allowing their bodies to be changed in ways no one actually knows at this point, and I do mean no one.

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Originally posted by chellim1:

Balzé Halzé: Your governor has called the vaccination gap among Republicans "troubling" and said "hopefully reason will rule."
So... I guess he's calling you unreasonable.

These people confound me. Truly they do. Para explained perfectly the Kafka like insanity of those in authority invoking "reason" in regards to taking an experimental drug that young adults statistically have zero risk from, so I'll let that speak for me.

Cox is a squish.

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Originally posted by chellim1:
West Virginia Gov. Jim Justice, R, had blunter words Sunday when asked about vaccine hesitancy...

See, Dem's aren't the only morons parroting this BS. With few exceptions, the entire political class is totally complicit with the lies. And when you have to resort to bribing people to take the poke, you've completely lost the debate.

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Originally posted by bigdeal:

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Originally posted by chellim1:
West Virginia Gov. Jim Justice, R, had blunter words Sunday when asked about vaccine hesitancy...

See, Dem's aren't the only morons parroting this BS. With few exceptions, the entire political class is totally complicit with the lies. And when you have to resort to bribing people to take the poke, you've completely lost the debate.

I still don't get the vaccine fight. For those against it, it's not as bad as COVID, just consult your doctor and make an educated decision that you feel comfortable with. For those super pro vaccine and trying to exclude or limit freedoms of the unvaccinated, why? If the vaccine works get it yourself and don't worry about other people's personal health decisions. One it's none of your business what other people's vaccine status is, and two if it works so great you're safe no matter what your neighbor does.

^^ Jesse, what you say makes total sense. But making total sense is not what control freaks are all about.

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Originally posted by Skins2881:
...just consult your doctor and make an educated decision that you feel comfortable with.

Educated decision? You mean like the millions of people who were stewed in constant VIRUS DEATH PANIC for months on end and fairly fell the fuck all over themselves to be injected with an untested drug?

Five years from now. Ten years from now. What are the longterm effects? You don't know, because no one knows, because standard clinical trials were thrown out the window because of the urgency brought about by the manufactured PANIC. People weren't educated into getting the vaccine- they were scared shitless into getting the vaccine and now, the ones they can't scare, they're trying to bribe with trinkets, or use the force of law. Disgusting

There's money to be made, there's control to be had. Just upset the panicky cattle enough and you'll be living in a gated community in no time. Yes, the $$ will just roll in, buddy.

I refuse to be any part of this lunacy.