About 7500 Americans die every day of all causes.

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Isn't around 3K a day the standard death rate in the U.S. for the past ten years?

2.85M US recorded deaths in 2019. The math comes out to 7,808 daily.

I told my wife that if they start requiring double masking here, I’m just going to start wearing my fucking gas mask everywhere. Hell with it, if we’re all going to be required to act stupid, let’s quit pussy-footing around and go for it.

AF at COVID-19 Admission Predicts Mortality, Demands Vigilance

A timely article here. Another risk factor.


Short-term mortality climbs sharply for patients hospitalized with COVID-19 found to have atrial fibrillation (AF), especially new-onset AF, which, as a predictor of poor early outcomes, points to a need for more aggressive management, observe researchers from two separate studies.

In one report, based on the experience of a 13-hospital healthcare system in the early months of the pandemic, one in nine patients hospitalized with COVID-19 developed new-onset AF. In a propensity-matched analysis, in-hospital mortality jumped 56% in patients with new AF, independent of other risk markers, including some reflecting inflammation. The risk for such patients with any AF, compared with those without any form of AF, rose almost as high.

The findings peg AF as a marker of severe systemic disease that could be added to the list of clinical signs used to assess risk in patients hospitalized with COVID-19, Stavros E. Mountantonakis, MD, Northwell Health, New York City, told theheart.org | Medscape Cardiology.

For patients who present to the emergency department with new-onset AF, the arrhythmia can be used in risk stratification — along with other tests, such as CT or C-reactive protein (CRP) or fibrinogen assays—"to get an idea of how advanced the COVID is and, based on that, decide on admission or not," he said.

Given the insight that AF is an independent predictor of in-hospital mortality, "I would probably consider such patients high risk," said Mountantonakis, who is lead author on the study's publication January 22 in Heart Rhythm.

In the other study, about 10% of all patients admitted with COVID-19 at a major urban medical center and an affiliated community hospital in March 2020 also had "newly detected" atrial arrhythmias, that is, AF or atrial flutter or atrial tachycardia (AFT). In adjusted analysis, the risk for death within 30 days doubled in patients with any AF, went up almost as much in those with AF or AFT, and nearly tripled in patients with new-onset AF or AFT.

"In our series, patients who developed atrial fibrillation also had higher troponin levels, so there are definitely different markers that one can use," Jim W. Cheung, MD, Weill Cornell Medical College, New York City, told theheart.org | Medscape Cardiology.

"I think atrial fib is probably another marker that one needs to take into account in case the other markers of disease severity have not shown up yet. A patient one thinks is doing fine now who develops atrial fib may warrant more aggressive monitoring or therapy," said Cheung, senior author on the study's publication December 20 in the Journal of Cardiovascular Electrophysiology.

A common thread in both published studies, he said, is what appears to be an independent association between AF and mortality in patients hospitalized with COVID-19 "that probably provides incremental benefit with respect to prognostication and risk stratification."

Anticoagulation practices in COVID-19, which can cause with thrombotic complications, tend to vary, with some groups — said Cheung, citing data from early in the pandemic — holding that admitted patients "should get anticoagulation from the get-go." However, he added, "subsequent studies did not support that."

Now, however, for patients presenting to the emergency department with COVID-19 who are found to have AF, he said, "the threshold should be very, very low for instituting anticoagulation."

In such cases, "we have to treat atrial fib aggressively early on, to be very meticulous with anticoagulation and maintaining sinus rhythm," Mountantonakis agreed. Its presence might even be used to guide the selective use of monoclonal-antibody and steroid-based treatments, he said.

Most AF Was New-Onset
Mountantonakis and colleagues identified 9564 patients in a single regional health system who were admitted with COVID-19 during March and April of 2020, of whom 17.6% were found to have AF. About two-thirds of that subgroup had new-onset AF and the remainder had a history of AF; they totaled 1109 and 578 patients, respectively.

Those found with AF during the admission were sicker than those without AF; 37.5% and 15.9%, respectively (P < .0001), ultimately required mechanical ventilation.

In a comparison of patients with and without AF during hospitalization among 1238 propensity-matched pairs derived from the overall cohort, 54% and 37.2%, respectively (P < .0001), died during the admission, for an in-hospital mortality relative risk (RR) of 1.46 (95% CI, 1.34 - 1.59).

In a similar analysis of 500 propensity-matched pairs of patients with new-onset AF vs a history of AF, 55.2% and 46.8%, respectively (P = .009), died during the admission; the in-hospital mortality RR was 1.18 (95% CI, 1.04 - 1.33).

And, in-hospital mortality was 56.1% for patients with new-onset AF vs 36% (P < .0001) for those without current or previous AF in 1107 propensity-matched pairs derived from the overall cohort, for an RR of 1.56 (95% CI, 1.42 - 1.71).

Atrial Fib or Atrial Flutter/Tachycardia
The study from Cheung and associates comprised 1053 patients admitted with severe COVID-19, of whom 15.8% also had AF or AFT; 14.6% of the cohort had AF and 3.8% had AFT. Either AF or AFT was seen for the first time in 9.6%

Complications during hospitalization were more frequent in the patients with AF or AFT compared to those without either atrial arrhythmia, including more than twice the amount of respiratory failure requiring mechanical ventilation (60% vs 25.3%, P < .001) and bacteremia (16.9% vs 8.1%, P < .001), and a higher rate of cerebrovascular events (6.0% vs 0.9%, P < .001) and death (39.2% vs 13.4%, P < .001). And 60.2% of those with AF or AFT went to the intensive care unit, compared to 28.1% of those without atrial arrhythmias (P < .001).

The adjusted odds ratio (OR) for 30-day mortality was:

2.16 (95% CI, 1.33 - 3.52) for those with AF (P = .002)

1.93 (95% CI, 1.20 - 3.11) for those with AF or AFT (P = .007)

2.87 (95% CI, 1.74 - 4.74) for those with newly detected AF or AFT (P < .001)

Now, after a lot more experience almost a year into the pandemic, Mountantonakis said in an interview, the detection of AF in patients presenting to his center with COVID-19 "triggers a higher level of diagnostic and therapeutic effort."

Such a patient would probably always be admitted, and "even if his oxygenation is okay, we would keep him in the hospital or escalate to telemetry, and maybe send a patient with AF and fever to an ICU," he said. Anticoagulation and ideally rhythm-control therapy would be instituted as early as feasible to maintain sinus rhythm "as much as we can."

Mountantonakis and his coauthors "have no conflicts to disclose." Cheung discloses receiving consulting fees from Abbott, Biosense Webster, Biotronik, and Boston Scientific; and fellowship grant support from Abbott, Biosense Webster, Biotronik, Boston Scientific, and Medtronic. Disclosures for Cheung's coauthors are in their report.

Heart Rhythm. Published online January 22, 2021. Full text



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LINK; https://www.medscape.com/viewa...D=3156991&faf=1#vp_2

We need to convince all the leftists that the best way to prevent COVID is a tourniquet.

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Originally posted by Largefarva:
We need to convince all the leftists that the best way to prevent COVID is a tourniquet.

Around thier balls to prevent procreation

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Originally posted by sjp:

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Originally posted by Largefarva:
We need to convince all the leftists that the best way to prevent COVID is a tourniquet.

Around thier balls to prevent procreation

there is a far better location that offers much better results

So I heard on the radio yesterday that the “vaccine” does not inoculate you, and you can still get C19 and pass it on- the “vaccine” merely makes the symptoms less if you get it.

Is this true?

Does anyone know where I could go look this assertion up?

I wouldn't be surprised if what you heard is true, but it may also be the media trying to keep the sheep wearing their masks like good little socialists. May also be a bit of a jab at President Trump. "see, he didn't give you a vaccine that keeps it away, just lessens the symptoms"

At this point, I wouldn't trust anything I heard on a radio, on a television, or anything I see in print. Spinsters and flimflam artists, the lot of them.

Our local Health Dept., the one that does a lot of the test, has now switched to giving the vaccine. They are no longer testing there.
Watch the new cases numbers start to go down.
No doubt due to Uncle Joe.
Another promise kept.

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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:
I told my wife that if they start requiring double masking here, I’m just going to start wearing my fucking gas mask everywhere. Hell with it, if we’re all going to be required to act stupid, let’s quit pussy-footing around and go for it.

If my employer tries starting this silly shit(fed) I’ll make my own out of cheesecloth, or maybe mosquito netting. Maybe even porch screen.

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Originally posted by MikeinNC:
So I heard on the radio yesterday that the “vaccine” does not inoculate you, and you can still get C19 and pass it on- the “vaccine” merely makes the symptoms less if you get it.

Is this true?

Does anyone know where I could go look this assertion up?

They don't know for certain yet, so the party line is to keep wearing your mask so you don't kill grandma. I've heard that the data on that part of the study may be available in February. I wouldn't be surprised if it is delayed.

I think this misleading (there is no where near enough data to measure how effective the vaccines are for long term disease prevention) and is erring on the side of caution for many reasons:

-CYA (I got the vaccine but still got the Rona!!! Im suing!!)

-Keeps people practicing measures to help prevent the spread (and keeps people fearful)

Combined with the WHO CHANGING the definition of herd immunity (lots of people have antibodies to the disease so it doesnt infect people and doesnt spread and becomes a non-issue and virtually extinct, like polio is today....making it seem that the only way to achieve herd immunity is by the population being vaccinated, whereas large numbers of people exposed to the disease and establishing their own immunity also contributes) a couple days ago, I continue to smell a rat.

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Originally posted by MikeinNC:
So I heard on the radio yesterday that the “vaccine” does not inoculate you, and you can still get C19 and pass it on- the “vaccine” merely makes the symptoms less if you get it.

Is this true?

Does anyone know where I could go look this assertion up?

I did not see this posted yet. Skip to the 3:00 mark of this physicians testimony about the drug Ivermectin.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?...in-100-cure-covid-19

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Originally posted by mutedblade:
I wouldn't be surprised if what you heard is true, but it may also be the media trying to keep the sheep wearing their masks like good little socialists. May also be a bit of a jab at President Trump. "see, he didn't give you a vaccine that keeps it away, just lessens the symptoms"



At this point, I wouldn't trust anything I heard on a radio, on a television, or anything I see in print. Spinsters and flimflam artists, the lot of them.

I would agree with all this. There are questions about long term efficiency of the vaccine but given all the lies and hysteria that have been forced on us...it is more believable that this is agenda driven another scare tactic to keep everyone in line and obeying the Party orders. You can't trust any of them at this point.

[quote]https://www.c-span.org/video/?...in-100-cure-covid-19[/quot

I have IVERMECTIN. The agricultural grade is essentially the same as the pharmaceutical grade. You can buy a liter of it at Tractor Supply for $20.

If testimonies like this would have emerged 6 months ago Ivermectin would have stripped off the shelf of every retail and agricultural outlet in 24-hours.

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Originally posted by MikeinNC:

So I heard on the radio yesterday that the “vaccine” does not inoculate you, and you can still get C19 and pass it on- the “vaccine” merely makes the symptoms less if you get it.

Is this true?

Does anyone know where I could go look this assertion up?

This video goes through a lot of the data you are asking about. You have to watch it on youtube by clicking the link when the video starts.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Graniteguy:
[quote]https://www.c-span.org/video/?...in-100-cure-covid-19[/quot

I have IVERMECTIN. The agricultural grade is essentially the same as the pharmaceutical grade. You can buy a liter of it at Tractor Supply for $20.



This is a group of critical care physicians who support Ivermectin and have testified before the Senate.

https://covid19criticalcare.com/

Faucci says that double masking is just "common sense." So if it's common sense & he's so smart, why didn't he tell everybody to double mask a year ago? Is anybody else really sick of this little twat?

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Faucci says that double masking is just "common sense." So if it's common sense & he's so smart, why didn't he tell everybody to double mask a year ago? Is anybody else really sick of this little twat?

Emotion is not the same for common sense. The Left does not possess common sense; they only have emotion to drive their decisions.