leavemebe and trapper189,

Can you please provide a link to the source of the charts you posted?

I need to send these to my dad and some of his friends in NYS. He sent them an article from the NYT's yesterday about a study that now says the ChiCom virus can travel from 7 to 17 feet and remain potent enough to be transferred to another person at that distance.

Here is the reply from one of his neighbors -

"Thanks for updating everyone on this. We need it more and more. How can people in NYS feel so safe and sound when there is so much suffering all around us. The rules should be to go out only for essentials, wear masks (and that should be mandatory, you can force people to do that if you fine them $500 for not doing so), and stay as far apart as possible. We are all guilty of being loosey-goosey on this (including me) because our wonderful governor has done such a great job in meeting the demands of this virus. In fact, I believe he has created the official road map on dealing with this crisis for other governors to follow and I applaud him. As for "what about my rights," hell, people are just being spoiled brats by saying that and there ain't none in times of war or pandemic (and this is biological warfare). Time for presidents to lead, governors to follow, parents to be parents and citizens to care about others. 'Nuf said.

Your beloved neighbor"

Being that it's my dad and his friends, I'd really like to make an attempt to try and rescue them from whatever spell it is that they're under.

Thank you!

I do not always agree with Gates, but he is a smart guy. Here is a piece from Fortune:

Bill Gates critiques U.S. COVID testing: ‘The most worthless results of any country in the world’

He stated elswhere that if the government paid more for a 24 hour turn around and nothing for the 7 day turnaround, the problem of delayed testing would be solved. Here is the article:
Microsoft Corp. founder and billionaire philanthropist Bill Gates said it’s “mind-blowing” that the U.S. government hasn’t improved COVID-19 testing that he described as slow and lacking fair access.

“You’re paying billions of dollars in this very inequitable way to get the most worthless test results of any country in the world,” Gates said on CNN’s “Fareed Zakaria GPS” on Sunday. “No other country has this testing insanity.”

“A variety of early missteps by the U.S. and then the political atmosphere meant that we didn’t get our testing going,” he said.

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Gates cited long lines at commercial labs and delays in obtaining test results, meaning that “you pay as much for the late result as the timely result.” Meanwhile, “very wealthy people have access to these quick-turnaround tests,” he said.

“It’s mind-blowing that you can’t get the government to improve the testing because they just want to say how great it is,” Gates said.

Public officials have regularly cited delays in testing results in the U.S. as an impediment to quick contact tracking and isolation of people infected with the virus.



Gates reiterated that he expects the U.S. to largely get through the pandemic by the end of next year as therapeutics and a vaccine become available.

In a Bloomberg interview last week Gates said he’s funded vaccine development efforts by AstraZeneca Plc, Johnson & Johnson and Novavax Inc.

LINK: https://fortune.com/2020/08/10...g-results-worthless/

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Originally posted by Cookster:
leavemebe and trapper189,

Can you please provide a link to the source of the charts you posted?

Thank you!

Sorry, I usually do that. I've added the link in the post above.

Hopefully some hard facts will help them. We now know that this is a virus that targets the aged and infirm. The average age of death is pushing 80 around the world. The riskiest place to be is in a nursing home. The risk factors are now well documented (e.g. age, hypertension, obesity, metabolic syndrome, cancer, etc.). We also know that a high percentage of people never show any symptoms because their immune system knocks it out without ever needing antibodies to do that. We also have a much better understanding of how to treat it early on which is the key for the at-risk population. There is no need for a vaccine if you are under 65 and healthy. Teaching people how to improve the function of their immune system, especially as they age, is a much better strategy because it works to keep the body healthy against ALL pathogens everyday.

You may want to also review this first hand physicians account in Sweden and send it to your dad:

Sebastian Rustworth MD

We need to get back to living.

^^^^^^

Thank you!!

Correction. One of the five is now negative so it's four. But who knows as one of the remaining four is symptom free.

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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by Nuclear:
The numbers I have found for the accuracy of the tests are 80% for the blood antibody test and 70% for the nasal swab PCR test. That means you need to take them twice in a row and get the same result if you want to be 96% confident or 91% confident respectively.

Anybody tries to stick that shit into my nose again and I'll shoot 'em 14 times in the spleen. Once was more than enough.

I'd rather be jabbed in the sack with a sharpened pencil than to go through that again.

The only thing worse is having a feeding tube rammed up the nose with a nurse saying “I’m So sorry...just swallow” ...been there, done that

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Originally posted by Cookster:
leavemebe and trapper189,

Can you please provide a link to the source of the charts you posted?

I just added one to my second post on this page. All I do is put "florida covid" into Google and it brings up a page that has a button for "Statistics". Click that brings up a graphing page with buttons for states, cases, deaths, time period, etc.

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Originally posted by trapper189:

I just added one to my second post on this page. All I do is put "florida covid" into Google and it brings up a page that has a button for "Statistics". Click that brings up a graphing page with buttons for states, cases, deaths, time period, etc.

Thank you trapper. I just did that myself out of curiosity since I don't use Google for searches. Note that Google presents no data on any of the statistics or graphs that would put the situation into meaningful public health context. I could find nothing on ages or comorbidities (underlying medical conditions) of those "cases", the hospitalizations, or deaths. For that, folks in the US need to go to CDC data mostly. From what I can tell most states DO NOT make that critical information readily available. Cumulative cases, hospitalizations or deaths is fear mongering writ large - at best.

Here are two places where folks can start:
CDC Hospitalizations by Age: linky
CDC Hospitalizations by "Underlying" Medical Condition: linky

Minnesota is one state that does provide some data for context:

Their weekly report can be found here: MN Weekly Covid-19 Report

And a good graphic for all the ninnies screaming how "USA response sucks, Europe did it so much better!" (I saw one proclaiming just that on Fox last night, for the nano-second before I could change it)

Yep ^^^^^

And the DOW just finished it's best 100 days since 1933 I saw that according to Barons.

And my finance guy at Edward Jones called two days ago to check in with me let me know my investments just hit an all time high value.

So suck it Covid!

No COVID here! I’m ok!!

Fauci finally said something I can agree with.

National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases Director Dr. Anthony Fauci said this week there is “no reason” Americans can’t vote in person for the 2020 presidential election, so long as voters follow proper social distancing guidelines amid the coronavirus pandemic.

“I think if carefully done, according to the guidelines, there’s no reason that I can see why that not be the case,” Fauci told ABC News this week. “If you go and wear a mask, if you observe the physical distancing, and don’t have a crowded situation, there’s no reason why shouldn’t be able to do that.”

Fauci added that individuals who are “compromised physically or otherwise” and who are not interested in physically going to the polls on Election Day, can use mail-in voting.

But Fauci doubled-down, saying “there’s no reason why we shouldn’t be able to vote in person or otherwise.”

Fauci, in April, during the early stages of the pandemic, said he could not “guarantee” that it would be safe to physically vote.

“I hope so,” Fauci told CNN in April. “I can’t guarantee it.”

Fauci’s comments come amid the mail-in voting battle — with President Trump and Republicans for months warning that the practice would cause widespread voter fraud, and with Democrats saying the practice is a secure way to cast ballots.

The president and the Republican National Committee have filed lawsuits in several states to hit back against efforts by Democrats to overhaul voting laws in response to the pandemic.

Trump, during an interview with Fox Business’ Maria Bartiromo this week, slammed universal mail-in voting, warning of “the greatest fraud in history.”



https://www.foxnews.com/politi...e-in-person-november

I couldn't care less about what Fauci thinks about anything.

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Originally posted by Keystoner:
I couldn't care less about what Fauci thinks about anything.

Sure, but Biden has held him up to be an expert who would essentially run the Biden administration. It should be pretty hard for the Biden crew to "ignore the science", though I am sure their friends in the MSM will make a valiant effort.

“The iconic Lower Manhattan 9/11 memorial display that features twin beams of light to honor victims of the terror attacks will not shine this year over coronavirus concerns,” reports the New York Post.

“The annual ‘Tribute in Light’ display requires a large crew to pull off … posing health risks this year that ‘were far too great.’”

Well, that’s some Grade-A horseshit and we all know it.

What? They can’t wear masks while installing the lights?

I thought masks cured everything?

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not arguing the city should require people do this work during a pandemic. But I think we all know there would be enough volunteers. I mean, I know New York has gone insane in the Trump Era, but I have no doubt enough skilled volunteers could still be found.

As everyone is saying on the Twitters, where was all this concern about close working conditions during the coronavirus when city employees were tasked with painting “Black Lives Matter” in front of Trump Tower?

You’ve all seen the photos. Check out all that city worker proximity going on there.

Also canceled is the in-person ceremony at Ground Zero where, among others, family members read the names of the 9/11 victims.

So instead of the iconic light tribute, an “alternative” has been announced where some buildings will be “lighting up their facades and spires in blue on 9/11.”

Also, thankfully, a nonprofit called the Tunnel to Towers Foundation will hold the name-reading ceremony in Lower Manhattan.

We all know what’s going on here…

Anything related to September 11, most especially in New York, most especially involving the World Trade Center, reminds Americans of the valor and sacrifice of our first responders, including the 23 police officers of the New York Police Department (NYPD), and 37 police officers with the Port Authority who died that day attempting to save people they didn’t know.

What’s more, since that terrible day nearly 20 years ago, some 250 NYPD officers have died of cancer and other diseases directly related to the long periods of time they spent in the rubble searching for survivors. It should be noted New York firefighters have suffered even worse losses.

September 11 also gives Americans a sense of togetherness, it sparks our sense of unity and patriotism. But that was New York then…

Today New York and Democrats and the media that protect them are aggressively looking to normalize disrespecting our flag and anthem, smearing our founding as an act of white supremacism, desecrating our Founders as white supremacists, and canceled this year’s Fourth of July celebrations … even as they encouraged, championed and even joined in the mass protests that violated social distancing rules, the mass protests that resulted in mass looting, mass arson, mass assaults, murder, and a spike in coronavirus cases.

Another thing we all know is that this is the beginning of the end of 9/11 tributes.

Come on… Does anyone doubt the media and America’s increasingly extremist Democrats, like New York Mayor Bill de Blasio, hate this annual tribute — that they resent it and want to see it eliminated — just like they want to see Mount Rushmore, monuments to our Founding, and monuments to the valiant men who fought for the Confederacy during the Civil War (yeah, I said that, because it’s true), destroyed?

The left’s “revolution” requires the erasing of our history, most especially the inconvenient history that puts a lump in our throat and reminds us that almost all of our police officers are decent and selfless.

You see, the message of September 11, 2001, gets in the way of the left’s plan to destroy all the gains made by black America under Trump by destroying our cities. September 11, 2001, reminds us the phony anti-police cause the left-wing terrorists in Antifa and Black Lives Matter use as a shield to justify their terrorism is just that — phony.

New York is dead and it ain’t coming back.

I don’t blame elected Democrats. They are who they are.

I blame the citizens of New York. They voted for this, and Mayor de Blasio continues to govern with their consent. New York’s next mayor will be just as bad or worse.

https://www.breitbart.com/poli...-9-11-light-tribute/

This is the BS out there.... This is sponsored by the Courier newsroom. A quick Wikipedia search on the sponsor of this piece :

Courier Newsroom is a digital for-profit media company which publishes what appear to be local pseudo-news outlets but which are actually Democratic Party propaganda efforts.[1][a][3][4] The goal of Courier Newsroom publications, according to an internal memo obtained by Vice News, "is to create shareable viral pseudo 'news content' to boost its preferred candidates.

In other words organized viral fake news

https://gandernewsroom.com/202...utm_content=9AA4622A

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“The iconic Lower Manhattan 9/11 memorial display that features twin beams of light to honor victims of the terror attacks will not shine this year over coronavirus concerns,” reports the New York Post.

They haven't cancelled the riots or painting BLM in front of Trump Tower. I can't imagine the lights are any more dangerous than painting BLM (without permits, at taxpayers expense) or gathering in large crowds while shouting is any less dangerous than hitting an on switch for some lights.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/ec...xodus-losses-unclear

Retail chains and restaurants have abandoned an “unsustainable” New York City over the past few months due to the coronavirus pandemic, according to a report by The New York Times -- but officials say thet will not know the full extent of losses until the fall.

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo pushed to reduce the geographic footprint of travelers as a major centerpiece of his pandemic containment policy, limiting travel within the tri-state area so that New Yorkers were discouraged from traveling even to neighboring states. Cuomo’s policy, in combination with a statewide lockdown, managed to flatten the curve when New York City was the national hot spot of the virus in the United States.

However, the reduction in foot traffic from a lack of tourism and increased telecommuting has produced a market environment that cannot sustain the same level of revenue for businesses of seemingly any size. More than 420 companies -- including Hertz, Lord & Taylor, J Crew and more -- have already filed for bankruptcy protection in 2020, with more to follow as things stand.

Due to pandemic containment policies, some businesses have seen as much as an 85% reduction in revenue

“There’s no reason to do business in New York,” Michael Weinstein, chief executive of Ark Restaurants – the parent company for Bryant Park Grill & Café – told The Times. “I can do the same volume in Florida in the same square feet as I would have in New York, with my expenses being much less.”

As a result of such aggressive reductions, national chains -- including J.C. Penney, Kate Spade, Subway and Le Pain Quotidien -- have permanently shut down branches. High-profile locations have shuttered while continuing business in other states, largely due to the rent requirements in the city.

"For a lot of small businesses, this situation is breaking them,” Jaffe said. “Politicians urged people to stay home, not replacing their income, and actually paid them more to stay home. By our calculations, anybody earning under $50,000 a year was better off with the unemployment relief.”

^^^^^
Yeah. Being in the airline industry, that's just preaching to the choir right there...