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Originally posted by 46and2:

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Originally posted by Jimineer:
My 90 year old mom, dad, and uncle have eaten bacon, eggs, toast and butter every morning for 70+ years. Only my dad had a slight problem requiring a small stent at about 80.
My empirical evidence sugggests it’s probably a function of genetics.

My college statistics class suggests your sample size is too small to be useful.

There is no scientifically proven causal relationship between dietary cholesterol and blood cholesterol level, nor is there one between blood cholesterol and heart disease.

Cholesterol does build up in the arteries, but the cause is not blood cholesterol level. Irritation and inflammation of the arterial walls causes cholesterol to stick and build up. Inflammation is caused by excessive sugar transport via insulin from diets filled with sugar and simple carbs.

The causal link was assumed "because it makes sense" and became dogma due to many other reasons. Food industry selling "low fat" synthetic garbage, pharmaceutical industry selling statins, anti-meat activists, etc.

It's not much different than the belief in AGW, and now, the overreaction to the Wuhan virus. ALL are not based in science, but on supposed scientists jumping to conclusions based on correlation and models, but not real data.

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Originally posted by 46and2:
My college statistics class suggests your sample size is too small to be useful.

I’m reminded of that great quote that Mark Twain used more than once, "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

If you substitute “anecdotal” for “empirical”, Jimineer’s post is harder to argue with.

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Originally posted by slosig:

I’m reminded of that great quote that Mark Twain used more than once, "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

If you substitute “anecdotal” for “empirical”, Jimineer’s post is harder to argue with.

We've been operating on this premise since the very beginning da rona...

I think part of the President's strategy is to sow enough ambiguity in his remarks that anyone with a bit of common sense can parse the meaning.

Leaving idiots in the MSM and folks suffering TDS to spiral into fits.

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Originally posted by jsbcody:

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Originally posted by p226gsd:
Here in NC, stay at home orders were supposed to end April 29th, but Governor Cooper extended that today to May 8th.

Lucky you. The two idiots (both Dims) in charge of St. Louis City and St. Louis County have extended the SAH Order indefinitely.

I suspect as the state reopens, there will be increasing pressure on the Leftist holdouts who don't want to relinquish power. Just like how everyone was peer pressured to do the lockdowns, now there will be pressure to undo them. People will see other states and counties managing just fine, and will demand the same for themselves.

From Web MD.

Hydrogen peroxide is typically sold in concentrations of about 3%. It can be used as is, or diluted to 0.5% concentration for effective use against coronaviruses on surfaces. It should be left on surfaces for one minute before wiping.

Another tiny pebble rolling down the hill. Will it hit a tree root or be part of an avalanche?

A Colorado knife shop owner is saying "enough is enough" to the governor.

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“WHEREAS: Small businesses have carried the burden of this effort more heavily than special interests, large corporations and major banks who once again received preferential treatment and largess from the Federal Government at the further cost of small business tax payers, and

WHEREAS: Non-essential Government, Academic, and Corporate staff continue to remain unconscionably fully paid at the same time that Small Business, the Self Employed and the Unemployed suffer, and

WHEREAS: Our attempts at petition and righteous redress, to Our Government has fallen on uncaring ears, and in some cases has been actively suppressed, and

WHEREAS: We refuse to become second-class citizens, beholden to the entitled class for our safety, freedom, and wellbeing, and

WHEREAS: We have the ability to operate our business in such a manner as to reduce and mitigate the risk to our Community, Customers, and Staff, and to adjust operations in a responsible and balanced manner commensurate with local conditions.”...

“What we’re going to be doing is have our staff wearing masks. We’re going to ask our customers to wear masks. If they don’t have a mask we’re going to have masks available they can purchase at a reasonable price. We’re also asking them to use hand sanitizer before they enter the store and then when they leave,” said Van Herke. “We feel along with controlling the number of people in the store and social distancing that should provide an adequate guard against transmission of the virus.”

https://pagetwo.completecolora...ZVUkrzyJb5kLDYyozKaU

^^ Is that guy fucking insane?!? Personal responsibility? Measured risk? Someone tell on him quickly.

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Originally posted by Otto Pilot:
Another tiny pebble rolling down the hill. Will it hit a tree root or be part of an avalanche?

A Colorado knife shop owner is saying "enough is enough" to the governor.

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“WHEREAS: Small businesses have carried the burden of this effort more heavily than special interests, large corporations and major banks who once again received preferential treatment and largess from the Federal Government at the further cost of small business tax payers, and

WHEREAS: Non-essential Government, Academic, and Corporate staff continue to remain unconscionably fully paid at the same time that Small Business, the Self Employed and the Unemployed suffer, and

WHEREAS: Our attempts at petition and righteous redress, to Our Government has fallen on uncaring ears, and in some cases has been actively suppressed, and

WHEREAS: We refuse to become second-class citizens, beholden to the entitled class for our safety, freedom, and wellbeing, and

WHEREAS: We have the ability to operate our business in such a manner as to reduce and mitigate the risk to our Community, Customers, and Staff, and to adjust operations in a responsible and balanced manner commensurate with local conditions.”...

“What we’re going to be doing is have our staff wearing masks. We’re going to ask our customers to wear masks. If they don’t have a mask we’re going to have masks available they can purchase at a reasonable price. We’re also asking them to use hand sanitizer before they enter the store and then when they leave,” said Van Herke. “We feel along with controlling the number of people in the store and social distancing that should provide an adequate guard against transmission of the virus.”

https://pagetwo.completecolora...ZVUkrzyJb5kLDYyozKaU

I hope this 'subtle' middle finger extended to government will continue and expand, and that people will attempt to return to some semblance of their lives in direct contradiction of the demands of our moronic government. As is true with every question ever posed, more government is 'not' the answer.

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Originally posted by Skins2881:
^^ Is that guy fucking insane?!? Personal responsibility? Measured risk? Some tell on him quickly.

Novel idea, eh?

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Novel idea, eh?

What you did there was seen

sunlight in the body to fight the virus. crazy huh ?

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/...nfect-lungs-n2567591

[Aytu BioScience, Inc. (the “Company”)], a specialty pharmaceutical company focused on commercializing novel products that address significant patient needs announced today that it has signed an exclusive worldwide license from Cedars-Sinai to develop and commercialize the Healight Platform Technology (“Healight”). This medical device technology platform, discovered and developed by scientists at Cedars-Sinai, is being studied as a potential first-in-class treatment for coronavirus and other respiratory infections.

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The Healight technology employs proprietary methods of administering intermittent ultraviolet (UV) A light via a novel endotracheal medical device . Pre-clinical findings indicate the technology’s significant impact on eradicating a wide range of viruses and bacteria, inclusive of coronavirus.

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“Our team has shown that administering a specific spectrum of UV-A light can eradicate viruses in infected human cells (including coronavirus) and bacteria in the area while preserving healthy cells,” stated Dr. Pimentel of Cedars-Sinai. Ali Rezaie, MD, one of the inventors of this technology states, “Our lab at Cedars-Sinai has extensively studied the effects of this unique technology on bacteria and viruses. Based on our findings we believe this therapeutic approach has the potential to significantly impact the high morbidity and mortality of coronavirus-infected patients and patients infected with other respiratory pathogens.

I just had another argument with a rather wealthy Chinese friend who emigrated to Montreal. She is from Beijing, lived in an apartment near Tiananmen square, and also had a house (!) outside the city. Her family owns buildings that they rent to hotels, but you know, they are not rich...

She went to college in the UK, speaks English, and now speaks French, and has traveled extensively. Even so, it is hard to break through the things that are instilled by the Chinese gov't and media.

Here goes:

In Tiananmen square the military went in unarmed to deal with the students, under the instructions not to harm anyone. The unarmed students somehow killed, maimed, and burned soldiers. After that, the soldiers were armed and defended themselves accordingly. The tanks did not kill anyone. Never mind that the entire premise of "unarmed military" is the most pathetic excuse I've ever heard in the history of excuses for failure...

Then the students got on planes and fled to the US where they live today and now use their Facebook accounts to foment continuing insurrections in China.

Except ALL Chinese news is gov't controlled and thus is propaganda. And I cannot see how the students got out of China and onto planes for the US without being captured buy the Chinese gov't...

This is the reality - gov't propaganda and lies are so pervasive that even well educated, international travel savvy Chinese are brainwashed into believing at least SOME of the lies. Their entire basis of understanding of their country and the rest of the world is a house of cards that is falling down as we speak.

The official Chinese gov't story that the Wuhan Virus came from a bat and crossed over to humans in the wet market (they have given no other credible theory) is not even believed, and the "scientists" are still trying to determine the "true" origins.

The sad part is our country is falling for the same media propaganda, and many Americans can't tell truth from fantasy anymore.

The local news just had a spot where they looked into the inspection records of nursing / assisted living facilities that had high levels of C-19.
Big surprise! They had been cited for poor infection control procedures previously and sometimes the reports indicated that the poor procedures were at a life threatening level.
This was prior to the out breaks.
Yet they were not shut down.
When this shit finally ends, I think there will many reviews of what the causes of death actually were and what contributed to the spread and how the figures were reached.
Hopefully, we will have learned something that will help us avoid this in the future.
Maybe.

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We've been operating on this premise since the very beginning da rona...

That's being charitable. It would likely be more accurate to substitute "wild speculation" for "empirical evidence".

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https://www.spectator.co.uk/ar...like-it-s-paying-off

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So why isn’t Sweden changing tack in the fight against the pandemic? ‘The evil that is in the world always comes of ignorance’, wrote Albert Camus in The Plague – a book that eerily depicts the suffering of the human condition when a disease sweeps through society. And lately, scientists and observers have ventured that explanation publicly: perhaps Sweden’s refusal to fall into line is because Tegnell and his team are a bunch of philistines?

A group of 22 scientists made that charge in an op-ed last week in Dagens Nyheter, appealing to the government to rein in supposedly ignorant officials at the Public Health Agency. Last week, a piece in the Daily Telegraph ran with the same theme and expanded it to include much of the national population: Swedes have willingly been duped by ignorant authorities and a chief epidemiologist who has been seduced by his own sudden fame. [...]

Seems there's people having issues with "the country being run by scientists" everywhere, no matter what the official approach.

While the debate isn't anywhere near as much politicized as in the US over here in Germany, the state of farspread unamity was officially ended this week in a parliamentary debate. It's not like there weren't degrees of different approaches before, mostly between the states; while for the first weeks it used to be a competition for the hardest restrictions, it now seems to turn into one for the fastest lifting of them as people start to get fed up. It's not something following party lines, or even camps within parties though.

As I noted in the Merkel succession thread, the state minister presidents of Bavaria and North Rhine-Westphalia have been at opposite ends of the issue with a possible eye on becoming the conservative candidate for the next chancellorship; Bavarian Markus Söder driving the tough line, Armin Laschet of NRW the easy one. Laschet is generally considered to be a liberal ally of Angela Merkel in the Christian Democratic Union, but in this case the chancellor has been calling for caution in lifting restrictions, so as not to endanger the success in bringing cases down so far. Which got her unusual praise from Bavaria by Söder, who also cited his colleague from neighboring Baden-Württemberg - Winfried Kretschmann, the only Green among the German state minister presidents - as part of a "community of the prudent"; both noting that the southern states have been hit hardest by COVID, and stressing a common line.

OTOH Kretschmann's state minister of economy, Nicole Hoffmeister-Kraut of the CDU, has been pushing for the lifting of restrictions, as has been Boris Palmer, mayor of Tübingen, BW, considered somewhat of a right-wing Green if there's such a thing. When Merkel criticized "opening debate orgies" with a look at some states last weekend in a video-conference of the CDU executive board, it promptly got leaked to the media - probably by the Laschet camp - where it caused considerable indignation and made her clarify she was not seeking to stifle debate. The CDU's junior partners in the national coalition government, the Social Democrats, have their own internal debates. Just yesterday Bremen lord mayor Andreas Bovenschulte criticized some states announcing to permit religious services again, while similarly SPD-led Rhineland-Palatinate was one of the targets of Merkel's recent complaint about talking too much of opening up. Etc.

For now, daily number of new infections is still dropping - first time on a Friday, actually - despite epidemiologists warning that we might see an effect of people ignoring restrictions on Easter this weekend. Overall though, farspread personal precaution like increased mask-wearing (mandatory on public transport and/or while shopping depending upon state from next week) seems to continue the downward trend. Active cases are now down to 58 percent from the peak on 6 April; not quite as good as Switzerland with 43, Austria with 29 and South Korea with 27, but encouraging. We're also seeing advertizing pick back up at the company, though still far from normal levels. About a third of what we usually need this week, but five weeks ago it was essentially zero. Experts are still warning of a second wave, but with expanded national ICU capacities, we could sustain about 20,000 new cases per day - about three times of what we had at the peak so far.

Georgia members - please post experiences with relaxed restrictions (obviously just started).

Georgia Relaxing Coronavirus Restrictions Starting Friday 4-21-20

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Georgia members - please post experiences with relaxed restrictions (obviously just started).

Georgia Relaxing Coronavirus Restrictions Starting Friday 4-21-20

Not much has changed. Restaurants can’t open their dining areas until Monday. All of the ones that I regularly use have already said they will not be opening their dining areas Monday and will still only be open for take-out. A lot of gyms and other places did open yesterday. I wouldn’t be surprised if not many people are going to the gyms out of fear. Same with hair salons.

It’s been funny reading the national news sites (and Atlanta news stations) and their hand wringing over Georgia the last few days when the death rate nationwide over this is .00015. And that’s including the inflated number of deaths that we all know is a lie.