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Originally posted by az4783054:
Flip a coin...

Same as it ever was. I’ve said for years that if you don’t like the medical survey results being touted this week, don’t sweat it. Next week they’ll have another study saying the exact opposite.

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Originally posted by slosig:

Same as it ever was. I’ve said for years that if you don’t like the medical survey results being touted this week, don’t sweat it. Next week they’ll have another study saying the exact opposite.

Heck, they still can't tell us if butter or eggs are good for you, and they've had decades.

And Pritzker just extended the bullshit lockdown for another month “with modifications”.... He’s mandating that we wear masks in public and can’t maintain 6 ft social distancing. Yeah, don’t think so....

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Originally posted by Perception:

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Originally posted by slosig:

Same as it ever was. I’ve said for years that if you don’t like the medical survey results being touted this week, don’t sweat it. Next week they’ll have another study saying the exact opposite.

Heck, they still can't tell us if butter or eggs are good for you, and they've had decades.

It all depends on who is funding the research: Pro-Butter or Pro Eggs, Anti-Butter or Anti-Eggs lobbyist groups.

I posted much earlier in this thread that my father in law, with several underlying health conditions, had tested positive. Although I was confident it would do him in like so many other things already should have, he keeps on keeping on.

But now he's a guinea pig of sorts. We got a call today that he's of great interest to the local and state health departments, and may even get a visit from the CDC. They don't know if there is a problem with testing, or if you actually can get this thing more than once.

The home where he stays was a hotbed, and the residents were being tested to determine their status. At the same time he requires occasional trips to the hospital, which also conducts a test while he is in their custody.

3/23, hospital tested him, results negative
4/3, tested at care facility, results positive
4/15, hospital tested him, results negative
4/20, hospital tested him, results positive.

He has his other health issues that cause him trouble, but he has been 100% asymptomatic as far as the Wuhan goes.

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Originally posted by a1abdj:
I posted much earlier in this thread that my father in law, with several underlying health conditions, had tested positive. Although I was confident it would do him in like so many other things already should have, he keeps on keeping on.

But now he's a guinea pig of sorts. We got a call today that he's of great interest to the local and state health departments, and may even get a visit from the CDC. They don't know if there is a problem with testing, or if you actually can get this thing more than once.

The home where he stays was a hotbed, and the residents were being tested to determine their status. At the same time he requires occasional trips to the hospital, which also conducts a test while he is in their custody.

3/23, hospital tested him, results negative
4/3, tested at care facility, results positive
4/15, hospital tested him, results negative
4/20, hospital tested him, results positive.

He has his other health issues that cause him trouble, but he has been 100% asymptomatic as far as the Wuhan goes.

There's zero evidence that reinfection can occur. I suspect that the specificity and sensitivity of the tests, in addition to the protocol, is flawed.

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Originally posted by Chellim1:
Tucker Carlson Questions The Wisdom of The Lock-down Approach...

During his opening monologue today Fox News host Tucker Carlson outlines how the Wuhan Virus has led to an authoritarian police state without any real basis in science.

“It is easier to be fooled, than to convince people they have been fooled.” Mark Twain.

What Carlson alludes to, though he didn’t specifically connect-the-dot, is the reality of how some sectors of the U.S. economy (the supermarket industry) have continued without issue. That factual reality doesn’t reconcile with the doomsday claims.

I think Carlson has been brilliant, night after night, through this Coronavirus epidemic. Last night’s opening monologue was among his best.

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There's zero evidence that reinfection can occur. I suspect that the specificity and sensitivity of the tests, in addition to the protocol, is flawed.

Which is why everybody wants to take a look at what's going on. Facility and hospital used separate labs.

Here in NC, stay at home orders were supposed to end April 29th, but Governor Cooper extended that today to May 8th.

Love him or hate him, Rand Paul gets its absolutely right in this speech on the senate floor. Unfortunately, with the retards, carpetbaggers, and wannabe totalitarians in Washington, it will fall completely on deaf ears and the the printing presses will be cranked up to warp speed. Much like the actions taken to save us from the Rona, the actions taken to save the economy are also likely to kill it.

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Originally posted by p226gsd:
Here in NC, stay at home orders were supposed to end April 29th, but Governor Cooper extended that today to May 8th.

cooper is a true ass and he would not answer the question put to him asking if that meant things would open on May 9th and what types of business could open first. They are not releasing the numbers of recovered folks in N.C. since that would not help their agenda, but with only 254 (iirc) fatalities in the entire state and hospitals not even close to being full or almost empty, this stay home crap is worthless. It's just being used as an excuse to exert his control.

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Heck, they still can't tell us if butter or eggs are good for you, and they've had decades.

https://youtu.be/WYns5vR3QuQ
(Feel free to embed)

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Originally posted by wcb6092:
Near 90% Mortality Rate in Intubated COVID-19 Patients in NYC


Mortality among hospitalized COVID-19 patients in New York City reached a whopping 88% for those requiring ventilators, researchers found.

...Among all patients who received mechanical ventilation, the mortality rate was 76.4% for adults ages 18 to 65, and nearly all patients over age 65 died (97.2%), reported Karina Davidson, PhD, of Northwell Health in New York City, and colleagues, writing in JAMA....

My friend age 70 contracted it from his wife who is a nurse working with nursing home patients. After being admitted at the hospital here with his blood O2 level dangerously low was intubated and remained so for over a week as his condition worsened. After 10 days his bilateral pneumonia showed slight clearing so they slightly decreased his sedatives and oxygen. His blood O2 did not drop. Blood numbers showed organ functions still ok. The docs had kept his kidneys and bowels functioning. Just heard Tuesday he's now off the ventilator!

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Love him or hate him, Rand Paul gets its absolutely right in this speech on the senate floor.

Love him!

https://www.breitbart.com/asia...coronavirus-samples/
American Secretary of State Mike Pompeo accused the Communist Party of China on Wednesday of destroying samples of the Wuhan coronavirus collected early, making it far more difficult for scientists to trace the virus’s evolution or find its origin.

Pompeo’s accusation follows months of reports similarly indicating that officials at China’s National Health Commission instructed laboratories nationwide to destroy viral samples used to sequence the coronavirus’s genome, or identify it as a new type of virus separate from other coronaviruses such as the one that causes Sudden Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS).

Pompeo was speaking at a press conference in which he explained the reasoning behind the Trump administration withholding funds to the World Health Organization (W.H.O.), until an investigation occurs into how it allowed China to actively hinder attempts to contain what became a pandemic.

“We strongly believe that the Chinese Communist Party did not report the outbreak of the new coronavirus in a timely fashion to the World Health Organization,” Pompeo told reporters. “Even after the CCP did notify the W.H.O. of the coronavirus outbreak, China didn’t share all of the information it had. Instead, it covered up how dangerous the disease is.”

“It didn’t report sustained human-to-human transmission for a month until it was in every province inside of China. It censored those who tried to warn the world, it ordered a halt to testing of new samples, and it destroyed existing samples,” Pompeo continued. “The CCP still has not shared the virus sample from inside of China with the outside world, making it impossible to track the disease’s evolution.”

Pompeo appeared to be confirming reports that first began circulating in February that the Chinese Communist Party actively destroyed scientific materials that could have helped the world better understand the Chinese coronavirus. In early February, the independent Chinese outlet Caixin Global cited an epidemiologist with sources in Wuhan who lamented that the Party had “disinfected” Wuhan’s notorious wet market, initially believed to be the origin of the virus. That month, Chinese officials claimed that the virus had infected humans from interaction with, and possibly consumption of, wild animal meat purchased at that market.

China shut down the market on January 1, according to early reports, and decontaminated the site, thereby destroying any biological samples scientists could have had access to.

Caixin published a report stating that samples of the virus existing in Chinese laboratories – presumably the only existing ones since those potentially at the market were no longer available – had been destroyed

On Jan 1, after several batches of genome sequence results had been returned to hospitals and submitted to health authorities, an employee of one genomics company received a phone call from an official at the Hubei Provincial Health Commission, ordering the company to stop testing samples from Wuhan related to the new disease and destroy all existing samples.

The employee spoke on condition of anonymity, saying the company was told to immediately cease releasing test results and information about the tests, and report any future results to authorities.

Then on Jan 3, China’s National Health Commission (NHC), the nation’s top health authority, ordered institutions not to publish any information related to the unknown disease, and ordered labs to transfer any samples they had to designated testing institutions, or to destroy them. The order, which Caixin has seen, did not specify any designated testing institutions.

from Cuomo







Gov. Cuomo notes these are preliminary results

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Originally posted by slosig:...
Same as it ever was. ...

Letting the days go by...

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Same as it ever was. ...

There is general discussion by State and Fed politicians on when restrictions will lift, what will be first/last ...

The general message is to increase testing of everybody and for everyone not to be complacent.


Australia's stats as of 4/23 @ 4pm AEST


--chris

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Originally posted by triggertreat:
Where did Doc H go? Its been a while since he posted anything and I miss the info he provided.

Apologies - late nights, long hours, pretty busy; currently taking a break.  I had a dream once I was retired.  Recent developments on the research front is that a seasonal effect is very much in play.  This virus, while very infective, is comparatively easy to destroy outside a human host.  Heat, humidity, UV, ionization, oxidation, standard disinfectants, all degrade it very fast.  The Summer is likely to irradicate its spread and effect on populations during the Summer months (my opinion), very similar to influenza.  We will not "defeat" this organism, any more than we "defeat" a hurricane or a blizzard.  We will live alongside it and with it, as the new human condition, and hopefully survive it.  It won't recur in the Fall - because it will always have been here, and it won't go away - but in my opinion its effect will be considerably attenuated, for reasons I have previously described (again my opinion).  If/when a viable vaccine is developed (and progress there, but with a few hiccups), we will probably have a COVID-19/Influenza inoculation every Fall - maybe starting this Fall.  And there will be a COVID-20, 21, 22, 23....

Other developments are that the political virus developing is at least as destructive as the biological virus.  Social and demographic studies and data are practically worthless now.  Virtual fisticuffs break out in honest researcher discussions on all sides.  Just from the US data - which is as questionable as any - there's almost a 20% turn rate in the general population, with several million swab tests completed (which are also worthless except for cases identified as positive, and marginal utility then).  This would equate, extrapolated right now, to over 62 million Americans infected, which is probably not that far off the mark.  Antibody testing would actually be useful, but not likely to be generally available for months.   Post-event, maybe years from now, this will be useful in calculating immunity rates, but not right now.

The Swedes were probably right.  Limited isolation for vulnerable groups, and take your chances. Hiding in a bunker until the "all clear" sounds is no longer a viable survival strategy, economically or biologically. Sadly, almost 50,000 Americans have died (also loose data, but probably tens of thousands at least).  This is likely to increase throughout the year, and by the time we get to a stabilized September or October we may see 80-100k.  A new "bad" flu season definition, compounded by deaths from true influenza piled on top of that (30-50k in the US).  We should get used to the new reality, but the good news is that instead of a 40% take rate on influenza vaccinations, we'll likely see a significant increase, and I would be surprised not to see approaching a 100% rate for the COVID vaccine, which will mitigate the overall increase in fatalities. So for future seasonal virus-related deaths, after immunization and herd immunity, we may see a combined stabilized death rate of 50-60k annually in the US, not too far off previous seasonal deaths.  Globally, we'll likely see a pattern very similar, with deaths decreasing over the years with increased population immunity (and unfortunately as the more vulnerable die off).  And I reinforce that this is one breakout from one organism.  There are others.  And if we think this won't happen again, and don't put some effort into future preparation, we have learned nothing and probably deserve our eventual replacement.