We are currently being mandated for the vaccine and it infuriates me. I'm not anti-vax, I'm pro choice like most people here. Unfortunately I had a conversation with a friend who's retiring right before me and he stated that his brother and sister, both younger, were forced to vaccinate or lose their jobs. The brother died the night of the second shot, the sister died a few days after from a blood clot in the brain. Both got the shot at the same time. Our team member died the night of the second shot as well a few months ago as well, he was 27. I'd prefer to retire early and avoid this, but I'm waiting to see what the union is doing for us.

Hold on a minute. This vaccine was not developed in a hurry. Big Pharma has been screwing around for decades trying to solve the Corona riddle - with abysmal lab and trial results, which are conveniently hidden from the public. That's why some of the larger Pharma companies bowed out last December and said this will not/cannot work and it is not safe.

First off, the vaccine adverse event reporting system is bogus. Literally any person in the world can go in and report any number of adverse reactions. Whether they are vaccinated or not. Look up the site and see for yourself. There is no investigation after a report is made. It is a garbage data set that was set up when people like Jenny McCarthy was touting that vaccines cause autism. I will try to address more questions tonight, but am getting a plane now.

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Hold on a minute. This vaccine was not developed in a hurry. Big Pharma has been screwing around for decades trying to solve the Corona riddle - with abysmal lab and trial results, which are conveniently hidden from the public. That's why some of the larger Pharma companies bowed out last December and said this will not/cannot work and it is not safe.

Im not sure that is entirely accurate. You don’t think this vaccine was made in a hurry? Why do you think this? I am genuinely curious why you think this. I talked to a doctor today who is friends of mine and of the 100+ people in the covid section of our local hospital only a handful have been vaccinated and they are all are immune compromised. You can make the argument for the short term that this vaccine appears to be working. The real issue is dealing with mutations and having a strategy to combat that effectively. The long game and long term performance is the trillion dollar problem/question.

True, the tech used in this vaccine has been under development for a while. You are not wrong in this regard however as the previous SARS AND MERS cases never resulted in any need for the large scale response that occurred it was put on the back burner. If anything it’s sort of like the boy who cried wolf where previous vaccines were made or the response was overwhelming and in the end it was not needed.

I believe in some cases previously underperforming and over hyped bugs may have been a contributing factor in this complex issue we are seeing today. Would you spend resources making contingencies for things you don’t foresee as a problem or focus elsewhere on something you consider more of a problem? Some aspects of this vaccine and the technology it utilizes may prove useful for other diseases and other nasty shit. There could potentially be an overlap with other illnesses to consider regarding this type of vaccine. Maybe the previous experience and over reaction led to the development or continued improvement of such vaccines for this type of virus to no longer remain a top priority. Who knows.

I am reading everything I can find on this subject whether written in English or any other foreign language. Much of the articles written by doctors are incredibly thought provoking but in my case at least it results in me only having more questions and still few if any answers I truly trust.

I hate to add more of a burden to barndg00, but since you’re being so accommodating I have a statistics related question about something I’ve pointed out from the beginning. The mortality rate is obviously skewed because it is based on the number of cases versus deaths; the number of cases indicates that only roughly 10% of the population has been infected. Everyone knows this is statistically impossible, given the virulence of the bug. In your professional opinion, what would a reasonable assumption be as to the actual infection rate, and consequently, the mortality? I just cannot get behind the current professed rate which is comparable to the Spanish flu which killed a minimum of 50 million and potentially far more in a shorter time than we have been laboring under this bug.

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Originally posted by barndg00:
First off, the vaccine adverse event reporting system is bogus. Literally any person in the world can go in and report any number of adverse reactions. Whether they are vaccinated or not. Look up the site and see for yourself. There is no investigation after a report is made. It is a garbage data set that was set up when people like Jenny McCarthy was touting that vaccines cause autism. I will try to address more questions tonight, but am getting a plane now.

OK... so why aren't we investigating after a report is made? Doesn't that seem important?

If there are over 13,000 deaths reported, which is more than 9/11 and Pearl Harbor combined, shouldn't someone investigate?

https://vaers.hhs.gov/data/dataguide.html

Would you trust the results of such a report? I’m not so sure I would.

Hell, if enough hardcore Dems are onboard it’ll undoubtedly be Trumps fault.

So my 12 yo was told two days ago he was possibly exposed while at band class. And maybe someone at art class

Today he wakes up with sinus pain, a 99° fever and being tired. I sent him back to bed.

We all three went for a test, local Army dudes are doing rapid tests here in Temple.

Little one is positive, Mrs Mike and I are not. I’m sure we just don’t have enough of the virus in us yet to show up on a test.

Mrs Mike has had the shot, me n Tomminator haven’t…

So the sgt walks up and tells us the results and then you are free to go..no suggestions to go see your doctor, no “take a buncha vitamin C. Nothing. I’m wondering if the truly week minded people freak out and loose their shit (is that wrong? )

I’m not worried, I know it’s the flu, I know that he will be fine…hell, he looks fine right now. He had three extra hours of sleep after I sent him back to bed this morning. Wish I could get some extra sleep.

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Little one is positive, Mrs Mike and I are not.

Prayers for your boy and your family, Mike.

^^^
I have a sneaking suspicion you will all be fine after some mild flu-like symptoms. Just follow flu protocol- lots of fluids, rest, fever control if necessary, and eat if your bodies ask for it. Looking forward to a positive report.

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Originally posted by barndg00:
First off, the vaccine adverse event reporting system is bogus. Literally any person in the world can go in and report any number of adverse reactions. Whether they are vaccinated or not. Look up the site and see for yourself. There is no investigation after a report is made. It is a garbage data set that was set up when people like Jenny McCarthy was touting that vaccines cause autism. I will try to address more questions tonight, but am getting a plane now.

Credibility lost You're telling me that the CDC has set up a website that can be edited as easily as Wikipedia? RIGHT Knowingly filing a false VAERS report is a violation of Federal law (18 U.S. Code § 1001) punishable by fine and imprisonment. <<<<but that doesn't matter right? CDC won't follow up anyway, so why not keep feeding it shit data? Un-fucking-believable that someone with an advanced medical degree would be so intellectually dishonest.

Data taken from https://wonder.cdc.gov/control...3201821A730E7E0FEA42 at 16:22 on 8/26/21
COVID19 (COVID19 (JANSSEN)) (1203) 47,478 4.03%
COVID19 (COVID19 (MODERNA)) (1201) 211,797 17.96%
COVID19 (COVID19 (PFIZER-BIONTECH)) (1200) 220,646 18.71%
COVID19 (COVID19 (UNKNOWN)) (1202) 1,073 0.09%

I'm sure nearly half a million (anti vaxxers) went ahead a knowingly broke the law and pumped it full of fake data to make you and the rest of the "medical" community look like fools? Here's what I know: two 19 year old girls were given the vaccine. Half of them died the same night. Does that provide a huge sample size? Of course it doesn't, but taken with other reports and the "bogus data" from VAERS, it sure looks like it's a bigger problem than we've been lead to believe.

Ha, Mrs Mike just came into the room and said that she hopes I don’t get it….because whenever you get anything, you get the “Ebola” level of it.

Guess I better go get that bottle of The MacAllan and get cracking if I’m gonna be dead soon!

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Originally posted by MikeinNC:
So my 12 yo was told two days ago he was possibly exposed while at band class. And maybe someone at art class

Today he wakes up with sinus pain, a 99° fever and being tired. I sent him back to bed.

We all three went for a test, local Army dudes are doing rapid tests here in Temple.

Little one is positive, Mrs Mike and I are not. I’m sure we just don’t have enough of the virus in us yet to show up on a test.

Mrs Mike has had the shot, me n Tomminator haven’t…

So the sgt walks up and tells us the results and then you are free to go..no suggestions to go see your doctor, no “take a buncha vitamin C. Nothing. I’m wondering if the truly week minded people freak out and loose their shit (is that wrong? )

I’m not worried, I know it’s the flu, I know that he will be fine…hell, he looks fine right now. He had three extra hours of sleep after I sent him back to bed this morning. Wish I could get some extra sleep.

My brother just got over a bout. In his case they gave him a large vitamin d (50000) booster, told him to rest and drink lots of fluids. In his case took ~10 days to feel better. He said only the lack of taste really bothered him.

Good wishes for the little one.

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Originally posted by MikeinNC:
Ha, Mrs Mike just came into the room and said that she hopes I don’t get it….because whenever you get anything, you get the “Ebola” level of it.

Guess I better go get that bottle of The Macallan and get cracking if I’m gonna be dead soon!

The Macallan is good stuff. Make it a double.
But also make sure you keep up with your Vitamin C, D and Zinc.

https://www.americanpartisan.o...d-treating-covid-19/

Anyone hear anything about the Novavax vaccine? It uses the more traditional method of introducing the virus and letting the body build immunity. If this vaccination thing becomes something I choose (or forced) to do it appeals to me more then the new experimental approach.

Also, why is the conversation not about antibodies? Isn’t that what really matters especially when a large percentage of the population has already had COVID?

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Also, why is the conversation not about antibodies?

No money in people who have recovered.

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I can't imagine that sort of reply is going to do anything to encourage any other calm, reasonable or informed response from him or others with any insight or knowledge. If you want this to be nothing but an echo chamber of your view, maybe this will help accomplish your objective.

Sorry if this is offensive to some, but I am somewhat of a statistics person. If you look at the data, it tells a story.

https://www.beckershospitalrev...obese-cdc-finds.html

78% of the people hospitalized for covid are obese.

So if you are not over weight you are ok?

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Originally posted by Cabellocabeza:
78% of the people hospitalized for covid are obese.
So if you are not over weight you are ok?

Unless you are among the 22% of the people hospitalized for covid who are NOT obese.

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Originally posted by JohnCourage:
Anyone hear anything about the Novavax vaccine? It uses the more traditional method of introducing the virus and letting the body build immunity. If this vaccination thing becomes something I choose (or forced) to do it appeals to me more then the new experimental approach.

Also, why is the conversation not about antibodies? Isn’t that what really matters especially when a large percentage of the population has already had COVID?

It's coming, but not until perhaps October at the earliest (first report was for September).
I'm waiting for it; had the Covid in late Jan. 2020.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/0...n-delayed-to-q4.html

https://www.nebraskamed.com/CO...ovavax-vaccine-works