Cuomo:

“Total hospitalizations clicked down. Still in the 18 thousands, but it clicked down. Good news,”

Total hospitalizations declined from a peak of 18,825 on Sunday
to 18,697 on Monday
to 18,335 on Tuesday

“ICU admissions are down. That’s good news. Intubations are down. That’s very good news,” Cuomo added.

https://www.breitbart.com/poli...irus-pandemic-began/

I have been dismissing the thought of the Wuhan lab as being the source as either no way to prove or tin foil hat conspiracy theory. If Mike Pompeo is going to sit down for an interview regarding it, that moves my meter to possible or probable. Holy shit if China fucked up this bad, and we have evidence, the world better smack the shit out of their knuckles with a ruler.

Pompeo rips China in response to Wuhan lab report: Beijing 'needs to come clean and needs to be accountable'

Video of 11 minute interview in link.

Yeah. I'm ready to be wrong if clear evidence surfaces.

Seems to be leaning that way, too. Interesting developments.

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Iran’s General Salami unveils world’s first magnetic bipolar coronavirus detector...

Image of the first test of the device

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Iran’s General Salami unveils world’s first magnetic bipolar coronavirus detector

This sounds like something that you would buy from a late night infomercial.

I got mine from Popeil brothers for $19.95 , they tossed in a Pocket Fisherman.

The French tested 1767 people in their CDG carrier group.

Only 2/3 of the results have been returned so far.

And 688 of the first 2/3rds tested positive, most from the carrier itself.

31 have been hospitalized thus far.

That's a high rate of infection. will be interesting to see how they fare, ultimately.

I wish them all the best, obviously. Cramped quarters would suck right now.

Reuters

https://www.foxnews.com/politi...a-compete-us-sources

Sources believe coronavirus originated in Wuhan lab as part of China's efforts to compete with US

There is increasing confidence that COVID-19 likely originated in a Wuhan laboratory not as a bioweapon, but as part of China's effort to demonstrate that its efforts to identify and combat viruses are equal to or greater than the capabilities of the United States, multiple sources who have been briefed on the details of early actions by China's government and seen relevant materials tell Fox News.

This may be the "costliest government coverup of all time," one of the sources said.

The sources believe the initial transmission of the virus was bat-to-human, and that "patient zero" worked at the laboratory, then went into the population in Wuhan.

The “increasing confidence” comes from classified and open-source documents and evidence, the sources said. Fox News has requested to see the evidence directly.

Asked by Fox News' John Roberts about the reporting, President Trump remarked at Wednesday's coronavirus press briefing, "More and more we're hearing the story...we are doing a very thorough examination of this horrible situation."

Documents detail early efforts by doctors at the lab and early efforts at containment. The Wuhan wet market initially identified as a possible point of origin never sold bats, and the sources tell Fox News that blaming the wet market was an effort by China to deflect blame from the laboratory, along with the country's propaganda efforts targeting the U.S. and Italy.

U.S. Embassy officials warned in January 2018 about inadequate safety at the Wuhan Institute of Virology lab and passed on information about scientists conducting risky research on coronavirus from bats, The Washington Post reported Tuesday.

Responding to the report, Gen. Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said Tuesday afternoon: "It should be no surprise to you that we have taken a keen interest in that and we've had a lot of intelligence take a hard look at that. I would just say at this point, it's inconclusive, although the weight of evidence seems to indicate natural, but we don't know for certain."

“Even today, I see them withholding information and I think we need to do more to continue to press them to share,” Secretary of Defense Mark Esper told “America’s Newsroom" on Wednesday, referring to China. Esper added that he wouldn't speak to "intelligence reporting," but that "most people believe it began naturally -- it was organic, if you will. I think in due course, once we get through the pandemic we're in right now, there'll be time to look back and really ascertain what happened and make sure we have a better understanding so we can prevent this in the future."

Speaking to "The Story" Wednesday evening, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo remarked: "What we do know is we know that this virus originated in Wuhan, China. We know there is the Wuhan Institute of Virology just a handful of miles away from where the wet market was. There is still lots to learn. You should know that the United States government is working diligently to figure it out."

Concerning the State Department cables warning about the Wuhan laboratory, Pompeo said the installation "contained highly contagious materials -- we knew that, we knew that they were working on this program, many countries have programs like this. In countries that are open and transparent, they have the ability to control them and keep them safe, and they allow outside observers in to make sure all the processes and procedures are right. I only wish that that had happened in this place."

Americans were originally helping train the Chinese in a program called PREVENT well before the Chinese started working on this virus. The French government helped the Chinese set up the Wuhan lab.

China "100 percent" suppressed data and changed data, the sources tell Fox News. Samples were destroyed, contaminated areas scrubbed, some early reports erased, and academic articles stifled.

There were doctors and journalists who were "disappeared" warning of the spread of the virus and its contagious nature and human to human transmission. China moved quickly to shut down travel domestically from Wuhan to the rest of China, but did not stop international flights from Wuhan.

Additionally, the sources tell Fox News the World Health Organization (WHO) was complicit from the beginning in helping China cover its tracks.

Trump announced at the White House coronavirus news briefing in the Rose Garden on Tuesday that the United States will immediately halt all funding for the WHO, saying it had put "political correctness over lifesaving measures." The United States is the WHO's largest single donor, and the State Department had previously planned to provide the agency $893 million in the current two-year funding period.

Senior administrations separately tell Fox News the rollout of the president’s “blueprint for re-opening the U.S. economy” will happen Thursday afternoon, first for governors and then briefed to the press.

Meanwhile, Trump's own handling of the crisis has come into focus. On January 24, for example, Trump tweeted in praise of China’s “transparency" on coronavirus.

Though they were not speaking for the president, the sources ventured an explanation, saying it was diplomatic talk to make the Chinese "feel good". while the investigation was ongoing, with trade and other talks happening simultaneously.

In the six days after top Chinese officials secretly determined they likely were facing a pandemic from a new coronavirus, the city of Wuhan at the epicenter of the disease hosted a mass banquet for tens of thousands of people; millions began traveling through for Lunar New Year celebrations.

President Xi Jinping warned the public on the seventh day, Jan. 20. But by that time, more than 3,000 people had been infected during almost a week of public silence, according to internal documents obtained by The Associated Press and expert estimates based on retrospective infection data.

“This is tremendous,” said Zuo-Feng Zhang, an epidemiologist at the University of California, Los Angeles. “If they took action six days earlier, there would have been much fewer patients and medical facilities would have been sufficient. We might have avoided the collapse of Wuhan’s medical system.”

I'm thinking it was someone in the lab at Wuhan was careless with a sample. Then was lax as far as doing any decontamination and went to get lunch in the wet market.

But the worst part of what the Chinese (with the help of the WHO) did was cover up the data. Early on in this I remember seeing someone on one of the talking head shows say the Chinese data was unreliable. And that once this was over we'd find out in Wuhan the real death toll would be somewhere around 43,000 rather than the 3,000 they were reporting.

China clamped down on local travel while still allowing international. Plus, theirs is the only economy projecting growth now.

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Did you see the reports today that Pritzker is doing a backdoor deal directly with China to spend 174 million dollars for PPE (not including ventilators)? $174M!! For masks, gowns, gloves, eye protection. Including 2 chartered flights of around $900,000 each. Fucking incredible. Our state is BROKE and he spends this much money on these things. Sure they’re needed...but he’s being taken to the woodshed by China. Asshole.

That invoice is already on Trump's desk.

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But the worst part of what the Chinese (with the help of the WHO) did was cover up the data.

We are not much better given what the CDC and hospitals are doing, fluffing our "died from the virus" numbers and not even trying to hide it. We are just compounding the problem. But China had it's own political reasons for doing what it did and so do we so it's all good. As someone once said "What difference does it make at this point"?

Knowing what we know now why anyone would want to chase these numbers being put out either by the Chinese or our own is pointless imo.

And now these numbers will be used in the future to compare what other virus's might be. Ooh this one is going to be worse than the Covid 19! Well how bad was the Covid 19? We'll never really know. But it will serve it's purpose for future tyrants because this isn't the last lock down we will see. And every lock down from now on is going to be harsher and longer than the one before it.

I've never fully believed that this thing came from some guy eating bat soup or something, and the more we know of China's actions I have no trouble believing this was developed in a lab and released either accidentally or maybe even purposefully. Our government knows more about this than they are letting on.

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I have no trouble believing this was developed in a lab and released either accidentally or maybe even purposefully.

..and spread by 5G?

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Iran’s General Salami unveils world’s first magnetic bipolar coronavirus detector

This sounds like something that you would buy from a late night infomercial.

The meter needle indicator ranges from manic to depressive.

Something also tells me that this "novel" virus isn't really novel at all. It will be interesting to see if we arrive anywhere near the truth as more information surfaces in the coming weeks.

Did anyone see the interview with the NYC Health Commissioner, Dr. Oxiris Barbot?

I will have to paraphrase slightly, because I cannot find a clip of the interview, however...

"There may be cases where someone died of a heart attack, and after their death they test positive for COVID-19, they should be counted as a COVID-19 death."

Wha... but... ummmmm... didn't you just say they died of a heart attack?

If we apply that same logic to all viruses, are people who are HIV positive, but die of a heart attack, counted as an AIDS death?

Just set aside all notions, right now, that you're getting good clean data from anyone, anywhere.

Maybe little pockets like County-X in State-Y know WTF is actually happening, maybe, sometimes.

Until then, if ever, it will no doubt be a confusing mess with substantially more questions than answers and far more goofy data than good. There are far, far too many people involved, in far, far too many places, under far, far too many different authorities, with an innumerable number of motivations/etc.

Nightmare doesn't begin to describe the problem in trying to get and manage good data here.

Wait and see. Or be constantly frustrated and confused.

Almost all of it now, in any meaningful degree of specificity, is worthless, baseless, speculation.

Counting deaths like that is the very real reason we can not trust all these numbers being thrown out by the government. We will never know just how many of the deaths occurred just like this. Of course, it's in their interest to keep people scared to death and get as high a count as possible so the sheep follow blindly along.

Has the Lockdown Worked?
Dennis Prager

Why are governments the world over rendering hundreds of millions of their citizens jobless, impoverishing at least a billion people, endangering the family life of millions (straining marriages, increasing child and spousal abuse, and further postponing marriage among young people), bankrupting vast numbers of business owners and workers living paycheck to paycheck, and increasing suicides?

The reason given is that we must lock down virtually all human social and economic activity in order to prevent millions of people from dying of the coronavirus and overwhelming hospitals.

But is it true? Was this lockdown necessary?

In order to answer these questions, we need to know how many people would have died from COVID-19 if we hadn't ruined the world's economic life.

The truth is we don't know. And the truth is we never knew. A large swath of the "expert" community cloaked itself with unscientific certitude, beginning on March 16, with a model from the Imperial College London -- the source governments relied upon for the decision to ruin their economies -- which projected about 2.2 million Americans and half a million Brits would die.

Almost every national leader, politician and media outlet in the world believed that model. As I explained in my last column, modern men and women have substituted "experts" for prophets and priests. Science is the secular religion, and "experts" are its prophets and priests. In fact, they have greater authority among the secular, especially those left of center, than the pope of the Catholic Church has among Catholics. Whereas popes have invoked the doctrine of "infallibility" twice in the history of the Catholic Church, "experts" invoke it every day among the secular faithful.

The Canadian Way of Dealing with a Pandemic: Ineffective, Clueless, and Dishonest

But on what grounds are we to believe that millions would die without ruining the American -- and the world's -- economy? Without our being told by an omniscient God, there is no way to know the definitive answer.

But here are some data that cast doubt on those assumptions, based entirely on the only metric that matters: deaths per 1 million. The number of confirmed infected people is meaningless, since so few people anywhere have been tested for the virus, and we don't know how many people already had the virus and never knew it. (Moreover, asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic carriers of the virus constitute the majority of those infected.)

As of yesterday, according to the Worldometer website, the United States ranked 12th, with 71 deaths per 1 million people. (I have not included San Marino and St. Martin because they have such small populations.)

France's death rate is 229 per 1 million, three times greater than that of the United States, and it went on national lockdown March 17. America didn't go on national lockdown because that decision is the responsibility of states. So, let's take California, the most populous American state (and therefore nearest to France's population). California went on statewide lockdown March 19, two days after France. The death rate from coronavirus in California is 2 per 100,000. Two. Deux.

That means France, which went on lockdown only two days prior to California, has more than 10 times the death rate.

And Nebraska, one of the few U.S. states that has not locked down -- to the intense anger of the state's Democrats at its Republican governor -- has a death rate of less than 1 per 100,000 (according to the Washington Post's daily listing of U.S. coronavirus deaths).

What do these statistics say about the efficacy and indispensability of a lockdown?

To give you an idea of how unreliable much "expert" thinking is, the Los Angeles Times published an article on April 10 titled "California's Coronavirus Death Toll Is Way Below New York's. Here's Why."

In it, the authors, needless to say unquestioningly, reported that Nicholas Jewell, identified as "a UC Berkeley biostatistician," explained why California had so many fewer deaths than New York:

"Just putting those controls in place a single day earlier makes a huge, huge difference in the growth rates," Jewell said, referring to California Gov. Gavin Newsom's March 19 lockdown order, whereas New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo waited three more days to lock down New York state. That, according to the expert from UC Berkeley and the Los Angeles Times, explains the "huge, huge difference in the growth rates" between the two states.

Then the article added a line that undermined its entire thesis:

"Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis didn't impose a stay-at-home order until April 1." Apparently, it never occurred to the Los Angeles Times authors to even look up Florida's death rates. The nonconservative media have been largely worthless during this crisis -- intellectually vapid, and, along with "experts," the primary stokers of panic.

If a few days' delay in ordering the lockdown of a state (or country) makes a "huge, huge difference" in death rates, Florida should have had a worse death rate than New York, let alone California. Yet Florida's death rate is among the lowest in the country: 24 per 1 million -- despite the fact that Florida, along with Maine, has the largest percentage of elderly people (those 65 and over) in any American state.

And then there is Sweden, the one industrialized Western democracy that did not shut down -- engendering intense anger from scientists and other "experts," as well as left-wing media (i.e., virtually all major media) across the world. Sweden, which still has its restaurants and businesses open, is far below Spain, Italy, Belgium, France, the U.K., the Netherlands, Switzerland and Luxembourg -- all of which have national lockdowns -- in deaths per 1 million. Yes, Sweden's death rate per 1 million is higher than its Scandinavian neighbors, Norway and Denmark, which did lock down their economic life. But as of the latest report, in the past two days, Sweden, which has almost exactly the same number of people as Denmark and Norway combined, lost 20 of its citizens to the coronavirus, while its neighbors lost 18.

The left blames President Donald Trump for our crisis (as if only America is undergoing economic ruin and loss of life).

If they were honest, they would blame reliance on "experts" and "modeling." But they hate Trump more than they love Americans -- or truth.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-p...the-lockdown-worked/

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Counting deaths like that is the very real reason we can not trust all these numbers being thrown out by the government. We will never know just how many of the deaths occurred just like this. Of course, it's in their interest to keep people scared to death and get as high a count as possible so the sheep follow blindly along.

I believe that's also the reason they are just now mandating that everyone wear useless home made masks too. Keep the optics looking bad and the fear will live on.