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Originally posted by slosig:
If stores want to require masks and one way traffic fine. If folks think that is asinine, let them take their business to other stores taking a more relaxed approach. Gosh, it almost sounds like a free market.

I think it's completely ineffective, and yes, it is a free market, so I'll shop wherever the fuck I want, and that includes the closest grocery store to my home, and that store happens to be a Publix.

If you have something you want to say to me, then, by God, be a man and say it directly to me. Don't pull this sideways shit I just quoted from you.

When I was a cop, I thought going after adults and older teenagers over minor amounts of pot was ridiculous, despite its illegality. I just quit doing it and dumped out or destroyed it in front of the possessor. And I damn sure would treat all this C-19 "emergency" bullshit in the same way. My goal was to protect the community, not harass individuals over an edict that may or may not keep the virus from spreading.
And I would hope the courts and judges would dismiss these bullshit charges when this situation ends. Maybe.

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Originally posted by a1abdj:

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If stores want to require masks and one way traffic fine. If folks think that is asinine, let them take their business to other stores taking a more relaxed approach. Gosh, it almost sounds like a free market.

Although I agree in principal, many of these businesses are doing this because the government will close them if they don’t.

I've not seen any executive order mandating how grocery stores run their businesses, maybe I missed it.

If I was a grocery store, I'd take every precaution possible to make people feel safe (corporate TSA security) in order to keep people coming to my store vs the one down the street. I also assume with risk Management as a say in it and/or their insurers.

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This {chart} is absolutely false.
A virus particle is so small, take a marble and toss it between telephone poles down a country road.
That's how far apart the fibers are to a virus.
Now drop a basket ball into a football stadium. That's how small a virus is to a cell.

That's absolutely correct. The viral ratings on that chart may hold valid for droplet transmission. Not individual aerosolized viral particles, they are way too small.

We don't actually know for sure if the coronavirus is airborne at all. There is anecdotal evidence, like that church choir that got many people, despite physical separation. So the next question, was it droplet or aerosol? Should I wear my P95 or move up to P100?

For the moment I am treating the virus as airborne via droplet, with true aerosol transmission a very low probability.

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Originally posted by tleo205:

I was in one yesterday with the little arrows on the floor. I totally ignored them and will continue to. I try to keep my distance but I refuse to go along with this nonsense.

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Originally posted by henryaz:

Yesterday was my first encounter with our local Safeway's 100 person limit in the store and one way aisles. When I encountered an item I wanted what was <10ft or so from the end of a wrong way aisle, I just parked my cart at the end of the aisle and walked up and got it. No way with my bad leg and cane am I going to make a round trip just for that item.

I want too thank the both of you for practising common sense.

I heard of a Wal-Mart employee not letting an ole lady in a motorized cart buy two 4 roll packages of tp.
Great idea, let's make it hard for someone who already has inconveniences in their life.
I don't think a total of 8 rolls is hoarding. Had I been there, I'd have bought the tp and gave it to her!

Originally posted by Sportshooter:

There may be another good use for Ivermectin.

We’ve used it for years as a heart worm treatment but, some Australian scientists may have found another good use for it....

Australian scientists find Ivermectin kills COVID-19

A group of Australian scientists have said they’ve found another old drug that kills the novel coronavirus in two days. This week, researchers at Monash University in Melbourne announced Ivermectin, a common anti-parasite medicine, deactivates and suppresses COVID-19 in vitro or in laboratory conditions.

https://www.oann.com/?s=Ivermectin

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Originally posted by Skins2881:

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Originally posted by a1abdj:

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If stores want to require masks and one way traffic fine. If folks think that is asinine, let them take their business to other stores taking a more relaxed approach. Gosh, it almost sounds like a free market.

Although I agree in principal, many of these businesses are doing this because the government will close them if they don’t.

I've not seen any executive order mandating how grocery stores run their businesses, maybe I missed it.

If I was a grocery store, I'd take every precaution possible to make people feel safe (corporate TSA security) in order to keep people coming to my store vs the one down the street. I also assume with risk Management as a say in it and/or their insurers.

Here in South Florida, depending on the county. All of the counties are requiring everyone to wear a mask (cloth is fine) to enter any essential business. Some counties are limiting how many people in a store at a time, etc. Doesn't appear to be on the State level, but the county level.

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Originally posted by Skins2881:

Long read, but you might find this interesting.

How China’s “Bat Woman” Hunted Down Viruses from SARS to the New Coronavirus

I may have posted it before, hard to remember these days.

yeah that bat lady...gonna need to look into her eh...
"Using the SARS-CoV reverse genetics system2, we generated and characterized a chimeric virus expressing the spike of bat coronavirus SHC014 in a mouse-adapted SARS-CoV backbone. The results indicate that group 2b viruses encoding the SHC014 spike in a wild-type backbone can efficiently use multiple orthologs of the SARS receptor human angiotensin converting enzyme II (ACE2)"
https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985

Dont play with bat viruses in your lab

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Originally posted by chellim1:
Originally posted by Sportshooter:

There may be another good use for Ivermectin.

We’ve used it for years as a heart worm treatment but, some Australian scientists may have found another good use for it....

Australian scientists find Ivermectin kills COVID-19

A group of Australian scientists have said they’ve found another old drug that kills the novel coronavirus in two days. This week, researchers at Monash University in Melbourne announced Ivermectin, a common anti-parasite medicine, deactivates and suppresses COVID-19 in vitro or in laboratory conditions.

https://www.oann.com/?s=Ivermectin

Maybe , I'll just go to my local farm supply and pick some up !! Have to mention that my wife has worms !! She'll love me for that !

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by sigcrazy7:
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I don’t know if they still do, but when I lived in the Bay Area in the 90s, they had them in San Francisco. Chinatown, of course.

Ah, yes. That makes sense.

I used to frequent Chinatown as I had family in the area. Those wet markets were mainly fish, but had live turtles and frogs. Never anything exotic like bats or snakes that I've seen.

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Originally posted by alteon180e:

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Originally posted by Skins2881:

Long read, but you might find this interesting.

How China’s “Bat Woman” Hunted Down Viruses from SARS to the New Coronavirus

I may have posted it before, hard to remember these days.

yeah that bat lady...gonna need to look into her eh...
"Using the SARS-CoV reverse genetics system2, we generated and characterized a chimeric virus expressing the spike of bat coronavirus SHC014 in a mouse-adapted SARS-CoV backbone. The results indicate that group 2b viruses encoding the SHC014 spike in a wild-type backbone can efficiently use multiple orthologs of the SARS receptor human angiotensin converting enzyme II (ACE2)"
https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985

Dont play with bat viruses in your lab

What the actual fuck? Talk about playing with fire.

^^^ I was reluctant to even open the link!

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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by slosig:
If stores want to require masks and one way traffic fine. If folks think that is asinine, let them take their business to other stores taking a more relaxed approach. Gosh, it almost sounds like a free market.

I think it's completely ineffective, and yes, it is a free market, so I'll shop wherever the fuck I want, and that includes the closest grocery store to my home, and that store happens to be a Publix.

If you have something you want to say to me, then, by God, be a man and say it directly to me. Don't pull this sideways shit I just quoted from you.

Sorry Para, I was obviously unclear as Frank also didn’t understand it as I meant it.

Let me try again, more directly: The government shouldn’t be requiring any flipping thing. Period. Provide tests, sure. Give individual results to the individual, make statistical information ^available^ for everyone to make free choices.

In the context of those free choices, if businesses want to go overboard on their privately owned public use property that’s their choice, at least in states that allow folks to control their property. I guess the CCW analogy would be in Texas (as I understand it) proper signage has force of law, while in California, it only means that if you are discovered to be carrying and don’t leave when asked you are subject to being cited for trespassing.

In any case, if the businesses make their own choices based on clear information (rather than fear of being shutdown by the government) and customers make their own choices based on clear information and their preferences/risk tolerance then we have a free market instead of whatever cluster function we have going on now.

I think a free market would be orders of magnitude better than where we are now.

I’m sorry that I was unclear the first time around. I hope this is more clear. If not, let me know and I’ll try again when I am not on a (smallish) phone.

Best regards,

-Nick

Edit: add the “available” that got lost between the brain and the fingers.

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Why do people question the effectiveness of N95 filters?

HEPA filters are rated at 0.3 microns because that is near the worst case particle size for penetration. Filter effectiveness is better at greater than .3 microns and also better at less than .3 microns.

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Originally posted by sdy:
Why do people question the effectiveness of N95 filters?

HEPA filters are rated at 0.3 microns because that is near the worst case particle size for penetration. Filter effectiveness is better at greater than .3 microns and also better at less than .3 microns.

Viri are measured in nm/nanometers.
Light is measured in nanometers.
1000nm - 1Um

The Corona virus is big at 200nm

It can get through.

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Originally posted by sdy:
Why do people question the effectiveness of N95 filters?

HEPA filters are rated at 0.3 microns because that is near the worst case particle size for penetration. Filter effectiveness is better at greater than .3 microns and also better at less than .3 microns.

To echo what SC said...An N95 is not a HEPA filter. It will filter 95% of airborne particles. The 5% that gets through will be mostly the small stuff, i.e. <0.3 microns. The coronavirus particle is about 0.1-0.2 microns.

(HEPA filters must remove at least 99.97% of airborne particles down to the size of 0.3 microns.)

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Originally posted by kkina:The coronavirus particle is about 0.1-0.2 microns.

Would a truly bare virus particle actually travel without being "on" something?

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Originally posted by MNSIG:

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Originally posted by kkina:The coronavirus particle is about 0.1-0.2 microns.

Would a truly bare virus particle actually travel without being "on" something?

Yes, that's the very definition of "aerosolized". It is known that earlier strains of coronavirus do travel this way. It is not known if the novel coronavirus does. It is not actually known if they are vectored on moisture droplets either. We're not sure if it's airborne at all, although it wouldn't be surprising.

How could a virus or anything really, not be able to be airborne? Serious,question.

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Originally posted by 6guns:
How could a virus or anything really, not be able to be airborne? Serious,question.

That I don't know. Would have to look into it. As a guess I'd think it would have to do with the affinity of the outer lipid layer to moisture, and the electrostatic nature in free air. That kind of stuff. Then whether the virus itself can remain viable under such conditions.