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Originally posted by Rightwire:
Familiar faces?

https://youtu.be/wVDPVBZF2Xg

Yep, and don't forget Fauci himself from 1/21: https://twitter.com/brithume/s...156119938080776?s=19

China is fucked and this will cost them dearly in the long run in both conscious trade retribution and unintended consequences. This whole issue has exposed the danger of a supply chain without diversity.

Some decisions to pull production of goods, pharmaceuticals and healthcare supplies/equipment will be done out of anger over the chicom actions and some will be pulled because it's smart given what we have learned from this crisis. Either way, China is going to lose a lot of money in the long run and rightfully so. It's a shame it took a pandemic for the world, and the US in particular, to see the folly in relying so heavily on a bunch of fucking commies.

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Originally posted by bdylan:
The Chinese were able to lock their country down and get a handle on this relatively quickly

Forgive the tone, but this is total and complete bullshit. To this very day we have 'zero' evidence of anything having to do with the true conditions on the ground in China. What's the current death toll and infected head count? no one knows. And if the Chicoms have their way, no one will ever know. One thing is unquestionable at this point though. The Chicoms let this thing loose on the world, and when this is all over, they should pay the world's biggest price ever for what they've done.

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Does it really matter?
^^^ If it were intentional, I think it makes a big difference. But would any response be different?

Yes, of course. Intent always matters.
But there is plenty of evidence of intent, callous disregard, and deception. The CCP is our enemy and most people are starting to realize that.

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Originally posted by chellim1:
South Korea!

An Eyewitness Perspective on How South Korea Tackled the COVID-19 Virus

Something tells me South Korea likely doesn't have a corrupt media establishment or opposing political party trying to derail efforts to contain the virus in an attempt to reacquire power over the country. To me, that's one of the biggest issues this country and administration has to deal with in fighting the virus. The biggest takeaway from the article I wholeheartedly agree with is simply sitting inside for a couple months is not an answer to anything but complete financial ruin.

Intentional? How about the “correspondent” from a Chicom newspaper who was 86’d from the WH briefing room for a fever?

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Originally posted by sdy:
https://www.breitbart.com/poli...k-to-illegal-aliens/

Democrats on Friday introduced a measure to amend the $2 trillion CARES Act, extending the cash payment benefit to non-citizens, including illegal aliens.

Three House Democrats, Reps. Lou Correa (CA), Judy Chu (CA), and Raúl Grijalva (AZ), introduced the Leave No Taxpayer Behind Act designed to amend the cash payment portion of the CARES Act — the $2 trillion emergency economic relief measure designed to help U.S. citizens who are facing economic hardship caused by the coronavirus pandemic — to extend to non-citizens.

Currently, the CARES Act requires recipients to have a Social Security number. ITIN (Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers) taxpayers, which include foreign nationals and those residing in the country illegally, are not eligible and will not receive cash assistance. That is an “egregious error,” according to the Democrats’ press release.

Off with their heads! And I mean it. This filth needs to go.

Err, how is this an "error"?

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Originally posted by Il Cattivo:
Err, how is this an "error"?

Because we are supposed to care for anyone who can climb over or dig under a wall. It's their God given right and reward for violating out immigration laws, especially those who have been deported multiple times or are multiple felons. Love has no borders, or some shit.

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More than a dozen research groups worldwide have started analysing wastewater for the new coronavirus as a way to estimate the total number of infections in a community, given that most people will not be tested. The method could also be used to detect the coronavirus if it returns to communities, say scientists. So far, researchers have found traces of the virus in the Netherlands, the United States and Sweden.

Analysing wastewater—used water that goes through the drainage system to a treatment facility—is one way that researchers can track infectious diseases that are excreted in urine or faeces, such as SARS-CoV-2.

One treatment plant can capture wastewater from more than one million people, says Gertjan Medema, a microbiologist at KWR Water Research Institute in Nieuwegein, the Netherlands. Monitoring effluent at this scale could provide better estimates for how widespread the coronavirus is than testing, because wastewater surveillance can account for those who have not been tested and have only mild or no symptoms, says Medema, who has detected SARS-CoV-2 genetic material—viral RNA—in several treatment plants in the Netherlands. “Health authorities are only seeing the tip of the iceberg.”

Link: Scientific American

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Originally posted by sdy:
NY and NJ have 49% of the total U.S. "China virus" confirmed cases.

Throw in California and Washington state and I wonder what the percentage would be.

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https://www.npr.org/sections/h...ll-covid-19-patients

Most coronavirus patients who end up on ventilators go on to die, according to several small studies from the U.S., China and Europe.

And yet again, these are the types of stories I really take issue with. So what's the takeaway of this story? A large majority of the people placed on ventilators do not recover, or they die. And? The author makes zero effort to provide the rest of the picture. I'm plucking these numbers purely out of the air to try and make a point, but let's say 50% of the people placed on ventilators die. That stat provides you with about 10% of the picture. How many total people were placed on vents and what percentage of corona positive people does that represent? Additionally, what percentage of the total population do the number of people placed on vents and died represent. My bet is the answer to both those questions is a very, very, small percentage. Is it horrible that these people die? Absolutely. But its even more horrible if we lose perspective on this whole issue and continue making bad decisions based on incomplete or faulty analysis.

Again, as I noted previously in this thread, living inside numbers and statistical modeling has been a huge portion of my adult life, and I see through stories like this very quickly. The underlying goal of this article is to scare the hell out of people. I do not believe we accomplish much of anything positive by doing that. But I absolutely know the underlying goals and where this leads...

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Originally posted by smithnsig:

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Originally posted by cooger:
Does anyone know if having asthma leads to a higher risk of more severe symptoms?

Also, can people be reinfected with this if they get it and recover?

Yes and no.

"No". Has that been proven as fact at this point? I've read speculation that that's the case, but no confirmed medical decision that one can not be re-infected.

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... wastewater surveillance can account for those who have not been tested and have only mild or no symptoms, says Medema, who has detected SARS-CoV-2 genetic material—viral RNA—in several treatment plants in the Netherlands. “Health authorities are only seeing the tip of the iceberg.”

Yeah... but what's the real benefit?
So you can identify that people in a given area or community have it... but you don't know who?
Don't we already know that?

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Originally posted by TXJIM:
China is fucked and this will cost them dearly in the long run in both conscious trade retribution and unintended consequences. This whole issue has exposed the danger of a supply chain without diversity.

Some decisions to pull production of goods, pharmaceuticals and healthcare supplies/equipment will be done out of anger over the chicom actions and some will be pulled because it's smart given what we have learned from this crisis. Either way, China is going to lose a lot of money in the long run and rightfully so. It's a shame it took a pandemic for the world, and the US in particular, to see the folly in relying so heavily on a bunch of fucking commies.

Got any money you're willing to wager? My bet is once this passes and is in the rear view efforts will be made my some Repub's in Washington to separate us from China. My prediction...majorities of both parties will demonize those efforts, calling them xenophobic and racist, and fight tooth and nail to oppose them given how much their personal fortunes hinge on Chicom dealings. and I believe that same paradigm will exist in governments around the world that have effectively been bankrolled by the Chinese.

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Originally posted by chellim1:

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... wastewater surveillance can account for those who have not been tested and have only mild or no symptoms, says Medema, who has detected SARS-CoV-2 genetic material—viral RNA—in several treatment plants in the Netherlands. “Health authorities are only seeing the tip of the iceberg.”

Yeah... but what's the real benefit?
So you can identify that people in a given area or community have it... but you don't know who?
Don't we already know that?

My best guess is if a particular town or city showed a significant amount of infection, they could be targeted and quarantined.

^^^ So the Metropolitan Sewer District (St. Louis) is probably crawling with the stuff...
Are you going to quarantine 1.5 million people? Without even testing individuals to see if they have it?
I should hope not.

Detroit? I'm sure the wastewater is full of it... Lock everybody up?

^^^ So somehow they might be able to extrapolate the concentration of the virus in the effluent and compare it to the population that treatment plant serves to determine how many have it? But who??? Seems like a long shot to me.

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Originally posted by bigdeal:

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Originally posted by smithnsig:

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Originally posted by cooger:
Does anyone know if having asthma leads to a higher risk of more severe symptoms?

Also, can people be reinfected with this if they get it and recover?

Yes and no.

"No". Has that been proven as fact at this point? I've read speculation that that's the case, but no confirmed medical decision that one can not be re-infected.

Dr John Campbell in the UK has said they are very confident that this is the case. The antibodies present do not allow reinfection. What they don’t know is how long they last. Months years or lifetime.

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Originally posted by chellim1:
The really scary thing is... we are a service based economy and a lot of those jobs aren't coming back. Many people will be unable to afford many services which will have a cascading effect.

A lot has been said about how precarious it is to have our economy and our health dependent on products from China. I am hopeful that as we emerge from the lockdown President Trump will do all he can to encourage companies to return production of many things to our shores. It is certainly the case that in the long run being a producer and exporter of goods is a better recipe for prosperity than being a producer and exporter of debt while being an importer and consumer of goods. Production, not consumption is the path to prosperity.

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Originally posted by bigdeal:

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Originally posted by TXJIM:
China is fucked and this will cost them dearly in the long run in both conscious trade retribution and unintended consequences. This whole issue has exposed the danger of a supply chain without diversity.

Some decisions to pull production of goods, pharmaceuticals and healthcare supplies/equipment will be done out of anger over the chicom actions and some will be pulled because it's smart given what we have learned from this crisis. Either way, China is going to lose a lot of money in the long run and rightfully so. It's a shame it took a pandemic for the world, and the US in particular, to see the folly in relying so heavily on a bunch of fucking commies.

Got any money you're willing to wager? My bet is once this passes and is in the rear view efforts will be made my some Repub's in Washington to separate us from China. My prediction...majorities of both parties will demonize those efforts, calling them xenophobic and racist, and fight tooth and nail to oppose them given how much their personal fortunes hinge on Chicom dealings. and I believe that same paradigm will exist in governments around the world that have effectively been bankrolled by the Chinese.

You make great points but I did not say we, or anyone else, will stop doing business with China. There will be changes to the supply chain based on the obvious vulnerabilities exposed recently. How big those changes are will be somewhat influenced by the factors you outlined but there will be changes and it will hurt China's bottom line significantly.

Regardless of political retribution, private businesses will seek geographic and political redundancy in their supply chain. Surely they see now that putting all of their manufacturing eggs in one basket is just too risky. Will China fight like hell to stop that, of course, but they will lose money fighting to keep business and lose business despite those efforts.