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Originally posted by chellim1:

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
No, the economic annihilation that we have wrought is what's devastating to far more Americans.

The really scary thing is... we are a service based economy and a lot of those jobs aren't coming back. Many people will be unable to afford many services which will have a cascading effect.

This point may already have been made, but I was thinking yesterday that this whole thing has the global climate change hysteria feeling about it.

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Originally posted by darthfuster: ...
this whole thing has the global climate change hysteria feeling about it.

It does. Until you can't breathe.

China would have no problem killing a couple million of their own people to "test" a virus and world response. IMO.

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Originally posted by bdylan:
The Chinese were able to lock their country down and get a handle on this relatively quickly. The U.S. response was to mimic the Chinese response, but without the ability or willpower to execute. If we keep this nonsense up for months, we will look increasingly inept and become progressively weaker as a country. Our glorified 'experts' were not and still are not very imaginative in their recommendations. I imagined we would have lock down rules in effect in hot spots, but the reaction has just been ridiculous. With more testing and time to understand the threat, hopefully we coordinate a better and more sustainable response.

The Chinese barricaded people in their houses and left them to die.
That certainly is not a model to follow.

Besides, EVERYTHING they spew is one lie after another.

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Originally posted by bdylan:
The Chinese were able to lock their country down and get a handle on this relatively quickly. The U.S. response was to mimic the Chinese response, but without the ability or willpower to execute.

Anecdotal evidence suggests the Chinese did not get a handle on this. I don't recognize how U.S. response mimics the Chinese.

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With more testing and time to understand the threat, hopefully we coordinate a better and more sustainable response.

I agree, much more information is needed. I suggest given what is and was known, most State and Federal responses have been appropriate.

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jobs aren't coming back.

Be careful what you say, chellim. You sound too much like someone we know (and despise).

Good grief, I'm not advocating for the Chinese approach to the problem. I'm pointing out that the world is seeing China apparently defeating the virus while the U.S. response has been to advise folks to huddle at home.

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Originally posted by 46and2:
It's not a flu, and zero credible sources think it was made in a Chinese lab.

There is a distinction between implying it was made as a weapon in a lab, and escaped a lab where research is done. If later genome sequencing confirms it came from horseshoe bats, and they are primary species of "lab rat" at local labs, then it means something different. Remains plausible but I have not seen separate confirmation.

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Originally posted by chellim1:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
No, the economic annihilation that we have wrought is what's devastating to far more Americans.

The really scary thing is... we are a service based economy and a lot of those jobs aren't coming back. Many people will be unable to afford many services which will have a cascading effect.[/QUOTE


A lot of manufacturing will return to the U.S. after the country realizes how foolish it is to rely on a communist regime for much of your critical supplies.

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Originally posted by wcb6092:
A lot of manufacturing will return to the U.S. after the country realizes how foolish it is to rely on a communist regime for much of your critical supplies.

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from the great series "Letterkenny":
Pitter patter, let's get at 'er.

The sooner, the better.

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Originally posted by wcb6092:
A lot of manufacturing will return to the U.S. after the country realizes how foolish it is to rely on a communist regime for much of your critical supplies.

Yes, I think that's right.
We have to get back to making things. A service based economy is very fragile because it's mostly fluff. There are an awful lot of services that people can either do for themselves or don't really need. But we do need to be able to make things and eventually we will. However it isn't a switch you can throw and open factories over night.

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Originally posted by bdylan:
The Chinese were able to lock their country down and get a handle on this relatively quickly. The U.S. response was to mimic the Chinese response, but without the ability or willpower to execute. If we keep this nonsense up for months, we will look increasingly inept and become progressively weaker as a country. Our glorified 'experts' were not and still are not very imaginative in their recommendations. I imagined we would have lock down rules in effect in hot spots, but the reaction has just been ridiculous. With more testing and time to understand the threat, hopefully we coordinate a better and more sustainable response.

It's an unfortunate fact that "Going Big Fast" is best accomplished in places where an authoritarian government exists. That doesn't mean we'd want to live there all the time, but in situations like this, their ability to control citizens' movements/actions is better than ours.

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Originally posted by bdylan:
Good grief, I'm not advocating for the Chinese approach to the problem. I'm pointing out that the world is seeing China apparently defeating the virus while the U.S. response has been to advise folks to huddle at home.

If you trust what they're telling us....

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Originally posted by Rightwire:

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Originally posted by bdylan:
Good grief, I'm not advocating for the Chinese approach to the problem. I'm pointing out that the world is seeing China apparently defeating the virus while the U.S. response has been to advise folks to huddle at home.

If you trust what they're telling us....

China's case and death statistics are faker than stripper's tits

South Korea!

An Eyewitness Perspective on How South Korea Tackled the COVID-19 Virus

While the Trump administration is forecasting some 100 - 240k or more deaths from the coronavirus scare (and lots of hell) over the next few weeks, South Korea is well on its way in sliding out of its bell curve since the middle of March.

South Korea was also hit pretty hard with this virus, being right next door to China. The people recovering, graphed in the green color, are now also biting deeply into the blue of those who are still sick. Those who have died are colored in red in between the green and the blue. Officially, as of April 3rd, about 10,062 were hit with the virus and 174 died, with more than 6,021 who have now recovered and some 3,979 who are still sick.

Everyone is still working and schools are in session. How did they do this?

I have been in and out of South Korea several times over the last number of years, and I do have a contact friend there who openly said the following without any fear, "This is not a deadly virus. Even though everyone is saying that, that’s because they aren’t able to get a handle on it."

So how is it that the South Koreans got a handle on this virus without stopping the economy or shutting down the country? South Korea has a crowded population of some 52 million people crammed into a geographical location about the size of Indiana, a perfect situation for a pandemic to spread – but it didn't. And yes, when I flew in and out of Korea, it was also very apparent they took communicable diseases seriously, particularly at airports. Health is a very much part of their daily routine.

My contact friend went on to point out, "Yes, I feel very blessed to be living here in South Korea during this time. There are several factors, I think, that have made South Korea so successful in how they’ve handled it. They started screening for fevers, wearing masks, putting out hand sanitizer everywhere, and just trying to make the public aware of what was happening. They were also very proactive, in testing and separating anyone who tested positive for the virus, whether they were showing symptoms or not. Because as you are correct, the majority of the cases are quite mild. It’s just very contagious. So South Korea ended up turning some factory warehouses and training areas into large quarantine centers for anyone who had mild symptoms or no symptoms, but still tested positive for the virus. That saved our hospitals only for the small percentage that were actually seriously sick."

Those who tested negative for the virus went back to school and work. Those who tested positive for the virus with little or mild symptoms were quarantined. This allowed them to devote their energies to those who succumbed to the virus with much more serious conditions at hospitals with far less chaos. The other very important practice they did was to quarantine the elderly to stay at home to keep them from getting it in the first place. This, too, prevented hospitals from being flooded with such cases that also drive up the fatality rate quickly. In this way, they had enough beds and hospital equipment to be able to help those whose symptoms developed into something far more serious. Since this virus has a pretty big kick to it in certain people, you have to facilitate scenarios that help hospitals handle better those who succumb to it.

My contact also added, "In addition to all of that, you have to remember that this is not the first time South Korea has handled some kind of virus. They have had multiple virus outbreaks over the years, and had all of the supplies on hand, and also very calmly dealt with it from the very first day. They did not shut anything down, except for large group gatherings, and advising us to not make unnecessary trips out. On top of all that, is of course the South Korean culture. They are a group culture and will do everything they can to help and protect one another. In other cultures where they are more independent, it’s going to be a constant struggle to get everyone focused and working in the same direction."

She then made this note, sentiments which I share deeply, "It grieves my heart as I see the rest of the world struggle. I wish in some ways they could learn from South Korea, and not panic, and just deal with it one day at a time. We had our scary moment too, when we had 5000 cases in one city and it really made people nervous and afraid. But the government and the medical staff just keep handling it very matter-of-factly, and because they didn’t quarantine everyone -- it didn’t make us panic."

Telling people to sit at home for a month or two is not a solution. In such a scenario, no one is doing anything about the problem, but simply sitting at home watching the coronavirus numbers go up. Moreover, being idle at home is a recipe for moral and economic disaster. Such a lockdown is a breeding ground for domestic abuse, child abuse, alcoholism, drugs, suicides, and any manner of other troubles – including excessive internet viewership which is already an epidemic without the virus.

As bad as this virus is, it is not the Black Plague or the Spanish Flu. The Spanish Flu was a youth killer that exterminated people by the millions, coming out of a gigantic world war at a time when the earth’s population was much less dense than it is now. The most important virtue the South Koreans have demonstrated with regard to the COVID-19 pandemic is they did not panic. Neither is it a coincidence that South Korea has very strong Judeo-Christian values among the near-third of the population that profess Christianity, and has a great traditional respect for the elderly. It will not be saddled with a two trillion-dollar stimulus package coming out the other side of this. General Douglas MacArthur would be proud.

Read more: https://www.americanthinker.co...s.html#ixzz6IfHzsldi

If you trust what they're telling us....[/QUOTE]China's case and death statistics are faker than stripper's tits[/QUOTE]

TRVTH!

Besides CYA, the dishonesty distorts the evaluation of statistics, further impeding our ability to respond!

chellim1,

I agree 100% with the way S. Korea handled it, unfortunately it simply won't work here for a number of reasons.

We have never dealt (in modern history) with anything like that so we don't have the supplies. Where do we aquire billions of masks, millions of gallons of sanitizer, and millions of thermal scanners? Where are the freaking rapid tests and antibody tests going to come from? We need the materials to undertake such an effort.

Next we are the United States of America. Freedom is engrained in our souls. Americans will not stay at home. Many people 60-75 years old are still working, and working in their most important stage of life to save for retirement, how do we force them home? What about immunocompromised younger people? Will they be willing to become wards of the state? People here are stubborn, selfish, and unwilling to sacrifice for the greater good. We need the national will power to undertake such an effort.

How many Americans are willing to sleep on cots in Expo centers, abandoned buildings, and stadiums with no privacy, even if it's only 2-3 weeks? How many will being willing to risk their job/house/car to keep their neighbors safe? We've lost our patriotism and sense of national duty.

I think it's a solid plan for the future, we need to stockpile sanitizer, thermal imaging equip, and medical supplies in much greater numbers for the next time we are attacked by China's wet markets. But today it's just not possible to do it like S. Korea since we currently don't have the will power or supplies to do so.

Something is wrong with the graphs.

To me it appears China may have underestimated their numbers, however New York is over estimating their numbers.

It appears that with each death the deceased is tested for the Wuhan Coronavirus, regardless of cause of death.

Example being the infant in Connecticut which was reported as a death related to COVID-19.
It would seem to me being smothered and deprived of oxygen was for more detrimental than the virus.

New York is elevating their numbers to gain Federal Assistance $$$$$.

Let’s see the graphs of deaths from a typical year in comparison.
The numbers are a hoax.

Sure some are dying, but not nearly to the extent we are being told.
Many are dying from other causes, however the deaths are being weakly linked and recorded as COVID-19 deaths.

Yeah... next time.

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Freedom is ingrained in our souls. Americans will not stay at home.

I hope freedom is still ingrained in our souls in 4 weeks!

They really love parroting out this 9/11 death figure as if it as any relevance whatsoever. It truly is perverse.

COVID-19 deaths are most prevalent with those having an underlying health condition.

Is it possible that the underlying health condition could be more of a factor in the deaths than we are led to believe?

If a patient dies of a heart attack and is then confirmed as having COVID-19, did the heart attack cause the death or the Wuhan Virus?

Doesn’t matter, the death gets added to the total of COVID-19 deaths.