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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
They really love parroting out this 9/11 death figure as if it as any relevance whatsoever. It truly is perverse.

So if you add up all the NY and NJ "COVID19" deaths - they total more than 1/3 of the total US deaths thus far?

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Originally posted by Skins2881:

I agree 100% with the way S. Korea handled it, unfortunately it simply won't work here for a number of reasons.

One of them being we are about 99 times larger than South Korea.

Corona killed by Corona. maker shuts down production.

NY and NJ have 49% of the total U.S. "China virus" confirmed cases.

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https://www.npr.org/sections/h...ll-covid-19-patients

Most coronavirus patients who end up on ventilators go on to die, according to several small studies from the U.S., China and Europe.

And many of the patients who continue to live can't be taken off the mechanical breathing machines.

"It's very concerning to see how many patients who require ventilation do not make it out of the hospital," says Dr. Tiffany Osborn, a critical care specialist at Washington University in St. Louis who has been caring for coronavirus patients at Barnes-Jewish Hospital.

That concern is echoed by Negin Hajizadeh, a pulmonary critical care doctor at the Donald and Barbara Zucker School of Medicine at Hofstra/Northwell on Long Island, N.Y.

"We have had several patients between the hospitals across the Northwell system that have come off the breathing machine," Hajizadeh says. "But the vast majority are unable to."

The largest study so far to look at mortality among coronavirus patients on ventilators was done by the Intensive Care National Audit & Research Centre in London. It found that among 98 ventilated patients in the U.K., just 33 were discharged alive.

The numbers from a study of Wuhan, China, are even grimmer. Only 3 of 22 ventilated patients survived.

And a study of 18 ventilated patients in Washington state found that nine were still alive when the study ended, but only six had recovered enough to breathe on their own.

All the early research suggests that once coronavirus patients are placed on a ventilator, they will probably need to stay on it for weeks. And the longer patients remain on a breathing machine, the more likely they are to die.

"We're not sure how much help ventilators are going to be," Osborn says. "They may help keep somebody alive in the short term. We're not sure if it's going to help keep someone alive in the long term."

Patients need a ventilator when their lungs can no longer deliver enough oxygen to keep the body going. And it's an extreme measure, Osborn says.

"We give sedation so the person goes to sleep. Then we provide a paralytic that stops their breathing," she says.

Next, a long plastic tube is inserted through the trachea and vocal cords. That allows a machine to deliver small puffs of highly oxygenated air to the lungs.

Unfortunately, Osborn says, "the ventilator itself can do damage to the lung tissue based on how much pressure is required to help oxygen get processed by the lungs."

And coronavirus patients often need dangerously high levels of both pressure and oxygen because their lungs have so much inflammation.

Another risk from being on a ventilator is that the tube carrying air and extra oxygen to the lungs provides a pathway for dangerous germs. Many ventilated patients get a new lung infection, a problem known as ventilator-associated pneumonia.

Ventilators have been seen as critical to treating coronavirus patients because the devices are very successful when used to treat common forms of pneumonia, says Hajizadeh.

"We treat patients for several days, and then we get the antibiotics into the body and the patient recovers," she says. "Unfortunately with this COVID-associated pneumonia, there are no treatments that we know work for sure."

Also, the coronavirus often does a lot more damage to a person's lungs than pneumonia associated with the flu. "There is fluid and other toxic chemicals, cytokines we call them, raging throughout the lung tissue," she says.

In some patients, the damage is so bad that even ventilation won't help. So doctors have sometimes tried an even more extreme measure called extracorporeal membrane oxygenation, or ECMO, which delivers oxygen directly to a patient's bloodstream.

But this is still a stopgap measure. "Remember, ECMO too is a life-supporting treatment," Hajizadeh says. "So it's a bridge while we are allowing the lung to heal itself from a pneumonia."

But lungs don't always heal, no matter how much help they get from a machine, Osborn says. So people need to be diligent about social distancing to keep the virus from spreading.

"I know that at times it gets frustrating," she says. "But it's really important not only for yourself and your family but for the other people you care about to shelter in place until this is over."

Osborn should know. When she's not caring for patients at the hospital, she's living in a camper to avoid putting her family at risk.

Does anyone know if having asthma leads to a higher risk of more severe symptoms?

Also, can people be reinfected with this if they get it and recover?

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Originally posted by kr350psd:

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Originally posted by Skins2881:

I agree 100% with the way S. Korea handled it, unfortunately it simply won't work here for a number of reasons.

One of them being we are about 99 times larger than South Korea.

Another being that they have one of those things that are supposed to be evil, according to the NWO- a strong sense of nationalism. A homogeneous population has far better results than one like ours that is separated along so many lines.

So the emergency fabrication of ventilators may be somewhat a waste of time and resources. I don't mean for that to sound callus, but if the majority of those who need to be on a ventilator die.... It's not very encouraging news.

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Originally posted by cooger:
Does anyone know if having asthma leads to a higher risk of more severe symptoms?

Also, can people be reinfected with this if they get it and recover?

Yes and no.

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Glad to provide some humor during these trying times. I don't believe the Chinese, but satellite imagery does confirm folks are back to work there while we huddle at home.[/QUOTE]
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Not so, they are all dead and they forgot to turn the lights off...

Familiar faces?

https://youtu.be/wVDPVBZF2Xg

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Originally posted by cooger:
Does anyone know if having asthma leads to a higher risk of more severe symptoms?

Also, can people be reinfected with this if they get it and recover?

My 63 year old super unhealthy chock full of co-morbidity buddy was isolated/treated in hospital, and is recovering. He has asthma.

My ultra healthy elite athlete 38 year old buddy spent 2 weeks on a respirator, almost died, and lost 30% of lung function.

Neither of them know if they are now immune or can be reinfected.

Both were recently released from the hospital and are recovering at home. Both still feel like shit.

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Originally posted by 6guns:
So the emergency fabrication of ventilators may be somewhat a waste of time and resources. I don't mean for that to sound callus, but if the majority of those who need to be on a ventilator die...it's not very encouraging news.

Which kinda makes you wonder why Cuomo is sending the National Guard to seize ventilators from around New York state and drag them down to New York City.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
And in any case, what is your alternative? That everyone lie curled up in his or her abode until the Wuhan is completely eradicated?

My post was in response to an observation that the PRC was allowing people to return to work was an example of their inability/unwillingness to address the effects of C-19. My observation was that this was much like the opinions being voiced by several people here.

You've misunderstood my position. I believe that letting C-10 burn out naturally will be less painful in the long run. The question is if the American public is willing to accept the cost of lives lost if health care resources are overwhelmed and they are unable to address cases where the victims would have otherwise survived.

The question becomes, "How acceptable are mass graves?"

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Originally posted by Il Cattivo:

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Originally posted by 6guns:
So the emergency fabrication of ventilators may be somewhat a waste of time and resources. I don't mean for that to sound callus, but if the majority of those who need to be on a ventilator die...it's not very encouraging news.

Which kinda makes you wonder why Cuomo is sending the National Guard to seize ventilators from around New York state and drag them down to New York City.

Because his dear Democrats are more important than us Republicans upstate

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Originally posted by RAMIUS:

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Originally posted by cooger:
Does anyone know if having asthma leads to a higher risk of more severe symptoms?

Also, can people be reinfected with this if they get it and recover?

My 63 year old super unhealthy chock full of co-morbidity buddy was isolated/treated in hospital, and is recovering. He has asthma.

My ultra healthy elite athlete 38 year old buddy spent 2 weeks on a respirator, almost died, and lost 30% of lung function.

Neither of them know if they are now immune or can be reinfected.

Both were recently released from the hospital and are recovering at home. Both still feel like shit.

Which raises the question for me when is it safe for either one of those to go back out and have a "normal" life? I consider myself in the high risk group. To be safe am I going to have to wait for a vaccine for any hope of getting the all clear sign?

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Originally posted by Krazeehorse:

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Originally posted by RAMIUS:

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Originally posted by cooger:
Does anyone know if having asthma leads to a higher risk of more severe symptoms?

Also, can people be reinfected with this if they get it and recover?

My 63 year old super unhealthy chock full of co-morbidity buddy was isolated/treated in hospital, and is recovering. He has asthma.

My ultra healthy elite athlete 38 year old buddy spent 2 weeks on a respirator, almost died, and lost 30% of lung function.

Neither of them know if they are now immune or can be reinfected.

Both were recently released from the hospital and are recovering at home. Both still feel like shit.

Which raises the question for me when is it safe for either one of those to go back out and have a "normal" life? I consider myself in the high risk group. To be safe am I going to have to wait for a vaccine for any hope of getting the all clear sign?

They don’t really know. The 63 year old said he was told to stay indoors until May 1st. So not really sure.

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Originally posted by sdy:
“The Comfort ship — the Navy ship that came to New York — they have a 1,000-bed capacity, and they decided to keep that ship just for non-COVID patients to divert patients who are not infected, to keep them separate, and they have only 20 patients because there’s no need. [Since] everyone is staying at home, there are no injuries. There are no emergencies, so to speak, no accidents.”

Multiple patients infected with coronavirus were transferred to the hospital ship Comfort from the Javits Center in New York by mistake, three U.S. officials tell Fox News.

The number of Covid-19 patients brought on board the hospital ship was estimated to be “less than five,” one official said.

This information has not been previously reported.

The patients were transferred sometime Friday, according to the officials. At the time the patients were transferred to the hospital ship Comfort, the initial screening did not indicate they were positive, officials said.

The hospital ship is located on Pier 90 on Manhattan’s west side and arrived in New York Monday. The vessel has a “couple dozen” patients on board right now, according to chief Pentagon spokesman Jonathan Hoffman.

Part of the protocol before receiving patients onboard Comfort is for a coronavirus test to be performed. The swab test came back hours later, the patients remained in isolation and spent a night onboard the vessel, which is only supposed to treat trauma patients, not Covid-19 positive patients.

About a dozen patients from the Javits Center in midtown Manhattan were transferred to the hospital ship Comfort one day after President Trump approved New York Gov. Cuomo’s request to have Covid-19 patients treated at the Javits Center.

All the patients at Javits Center were then transferred to the hospital ship a short distance away where they were isolated and tested for the novel coronavirus.

Up to the point of embarking aboard the hospital ship, the patients had only filled out a questionnaire and had their temperature taken as part of an initial screening process. It’s been reported that half of people infected with coronavirus show no symptoms, according to the latest data.

The Covid-19 positive patients have already been delivered back to the Javits center Saturday morning to continue their treatment, one official said.


https://www.foxnews.com/us/cor...hip-new-york-mistake

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
They really love parroting out this 9/11 death figure as if it as any relevance whatsoever. It truly is perverse.

Yeah, what's with that? Do they want us to go bomb the Wuhan fish market to smithereens? Hunt down THE butcher who chopped off that particular chicken's head?

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Originally posted by WaterburyBob:
I stated a number of pages ago that I wouldn't be surprised if the Chicoms sent thousands of infected people all over the world intentionally. There's nothing to show that, but it wouldn't surprise me.

Does it really matter? The Chinese absolutely let thousands of people travel internationally after knowing they could be or were suffering from the Wu Flu. Whether a conscience effort to infect others or not, they are 100% responsible for the spread of the disease and the pandemic the entire world is dealing with currently. They need to pay a huge price when all of this is over.

^^^ If it were intentional, I think it makes a big difference. But would any response be different?