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follow up to Veeper's post above back on page 250 I posted a link to a new French study on Hydroxychloroquine here is the link again to that study https://t.co/aSyFOeK46K?amp=1 sounds like that study was what did it for France https://www.trustnodes.com/202...ally-sanctions-usage Debate Ends Over Chloroquine as France Officially Sanctions Usage Days after beginning a large scale double blinded trial, the so called gold standard, France has now reached the conclusion chloroquine is recommended to treat corona. Speaking at a news conference, Jérôme Salomon (pictured), France’s director general of health, said the officially sanctioned prescriptions of chloroquine to treat corona “allows a temporary authorization to allow certain patients with coronavirus to benefit from this therapeutic route.” Doctors in France now will finally be able to treat patients with Didier Raoult, a renown doctor that specializes in infectious diseases, announcing new clinical results that show out of 80 patients treated with chloroquine, 78 recovered within 5 days. The Minister of Health, Olivier Véran, further said on Thursday that doctors can now prescribe chloroquine both in hospital and for home usage: “Hydroxychloroquine and the combination of lopinavir / ritonavir may be prescribed, dispensed and administered under the responsibility of a doctor to patients affected by Covid-19, in the healthcare establishments which take charge of them, as well as for the continuation of their treatment if their condition allows it and with the authorization of the initial prescriber, at home”. In America considerable politics has developed over chloroquine, but New York should be out with the results on Monday which may lead to a US wide sanctioned usage of treatment. | |||
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Except in Nevada apparently due to a certain asshat governor. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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| Left-Handed, NOT Left-Winged! |
In an effort to prevent the Fox news logo and banner from burning into my Sony OLED I switched to the Commie News Network for a little while. They are also parroting the "not understanding" what a NYC area quarantine would mean"= or how it would be legally enforceable. Guess they don't have any staff that can use search engine like ensigmatic did. And of course, Trump told suppliers not to send PPE and Ventilators to Michigan as revenge for the Governor being critical of his administration. They didn't mention that Michigan has less than 10% of the confirmed cases as New York, so prioritizing distribution of limited resources to the areas with highest need would make sense. Meanwhile the Governor of Louisiana didn't cancel Mardis Gras in because Trump didn't tell them they needed to, not that they would have listened. And there is "no coordinated national response" to the "crisis" and "no communication". It is amazing how helpless Democrat Governors are. They expect the Federal Government to tell them what to do and to provide essential resources at every step. Personally I am rather amused by the situation with Government Motors: I've been in manufacturing engineering and management for over 20 years, with a few years in design engineering earlier in my career. Almost all of it in the automotive industry. So I know first hand how long it takes to design a complex product, source materials and components, tool up a plant, validate supplier quality, validate plant quality, train employees, start up, ramp up, and reach full production. It doesn't happen in a month. Especially so for a complex product like a ventilator where defects or contamination could lead to patient complications and death. Converting an automative component production facility to a medical grade facility would require a ton of infrastructure - clean rooms, HVAC, etc. It was pure publicity marketing and attention seeking for GM to claim they could produce so many ventilators so quickly. Looking into the details, they were really only going to provide supply chain and quality management expertise to help Ventec, but that's not the impression that was given by GM and the media. As usual, when senior management speaks out of turn and makes promises that are not technically possible, they had to backpedal when reality hit them, and 40,000 ventilators got reduced to 6,000. And then they blamed it on the Trump administration not agreeing on pricing. So now, the company that was too big to fail and needed a bailout a decade ago got their words shoved back down their throats with Trump invoking the DPA. Can't say I really feel sorry for them. | |||
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Link doesn't work was the study on Hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine. The earlier stuff I saw sad Zpak and Hydroxychloroquine were more effective than chloroquine or chloroquine combined with Zpak. Jesse Sic Semper Tyrannis | |||
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| wishing we were congress |
The linked pdf is about hydroxcychloroquine in combo w azithromycin | |||
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He did? Is there a cite for that somewhere? Worst I've heard is he recommended to Pence he not go to the trouble of reaching out to Whitmer, because it was a waste of time.
Of course. But Whitless has been beating the "the federal government is bungling this" drum ever since Day 1.
Having worked with the automotive industry most of my career: I agree. "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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| Left-Handed, NOT Left-Winged! |
And now Cuomo says a Federally mandated lock down would be a "Federal Declaration of War" and would cause mass chaos. You asked for more organized and comprehensive Federal response, but you don't like where that leads. All of the people advocating all of these shutdowns and quarantines are essentially looking at what China did with Wuhan, and quickly expanded to all of the entire Hubei province, and saying the US should do the same. If the Left believes China's actions reduced the spread, then doing the same in the biggest hot zone in the US logically follows. Edited to add: And now a former Obama administration National Security Analyst is claiming Trump is threatening to use the military to enforce the quarantine and that it would be illegal. Guess again... | |||
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| Left-Handed, NOT Left-Winged! |
Sorry, meant that to be sarcastic, reported as fact by CNN when it's really an unproven assertion by the Governor. https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/27...ies-cnntv/index.html Funny how Trump is brutally honest, and speaking about basic human interaction. When you constantly deride someone for being incompetent, blame them for everything, and disavow your own responsibility, don't expect that person to jump through hoops for you. Kind of applied to everyone in all things, doesn't it? | |||
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Ah. Ok. That's what I thought you meant. Just seeking clarification. "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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OK... So we know what the issues are: We know what the symptoms are. We know we need to wash our hands and avoid touching our faces. We know that "casual" contact WILL NOT transmit the virus to one another. We know it requires a level of long-term exposure for it to be transmitted. We know if you feel sick, stay at home and self-isolate/quarantine. We know it takes up to 14 days for symptoms to go away. We know it attacks primarily the lungs. We know a big "hot spot" is New York City. . . . So given all that, let's move forward, get our lives back, get back to work, get this country on its feet again, get this economy going again, and for the love of God, STOP THE PANIC! Let's just friggin' DO IT!!! "If you’re a leader, you lead the way. Not just on the easy ones; you take the tough ones too…” – MAJ Richard D. Winters (1918-2011), E Company, 2nd Battalion, 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 101st Airborne "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil... Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw and as dry grass sinks down in the flames, so their roots will decay and their flowers blow away like dust; for they have rejected the law of the Lord Almighty and spurned the word of the Holy One of Israel." - Isaiah 5:20,24 | |||
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Where did this come from? The 1-5% study? Because 1-5% is not "WILL NOT." It seems like an insignificant chance... until, for example, you think about counting how many people you get within 6 feet of when you go to the grocery store. | |||
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I think this came from the NY doctor's testimony on page 250. https://www.youtube.com/watch?...aw&feature=emb_title SIGforum: For all your needs! Imagine our influence if every gun owner in America was an NRA member! Click the box>>>  | |||
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^^^ It came from this guy....He seem to know what he's talking about!  ____________________________________________________________ If Some is Good, and More is Better.....then Too Much, is Just Enough !! Trump 2024....Make America Great Again! "May Almighty God bless the United States of America" - parabellum 7/26/20 Live Free or Die! | |||
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| Left-Handed, NOT Left-Winged! |
Indiana got its first two confirmed cases from people that attended the medical convention in Boston that resulted in a lot of cases. I can't say how casual the contact was at the convention, assume lots of shaking of hands, and standing in circles and talking. But you know, sometimes drinks and schmoozing at conventions leads to "closer" contact, so who knows? | |||
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Sister in law just arrived from grocery shopping. Seems there was an altercation between a couple from New York that were incensed the shelves were bare!! They then complained loudly that they had just arrived from NY and needed to stock up. They were asked if they were not supposed to stay in quarantine for 14 days and told more than a few "women" to shut up and mind their business as they were not going to be quarantined by anyone. They were shown the door. And people wonder why we dislike our Northern Asshats that we seem to collect. | |||
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It came from the video on page 250 that ChicagoSigMan posted. Go to the 5:30 mark where he specifically discusses "sustained contact"; "very long, sustained contact...15-30 minutes". What? Not enough PANIC for you? "If you’re a leader, you lead the way. Not just on the easy ones; you take the tough ones too…” – MAJ Richard D. Winters (1918-2011), E Company, 2nd Battalion, 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 101st Airborne "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil... Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw and as dry grass sinks down in the flames, so their roots will decay and their flowers blow away like dust; for they have rejected the law of the Lord Almighty and spurned the word of the Holy One of Israel." - Isaiah 5:20,24 | |||
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| Ammoholic |
Well I am in sustained contact with people for my job, sometimes for over an hour or multiple hours. I need to touch things in their houses, door knobs, light switches, furniture, electronics. People refuse to keep their distance from me when working, the last day I worked I had to tell a customer to back off and stop breathing in my face or I am walking out the door and he could call a different company. So for me I am putting myself at risk, every time I walk into someone's house. We are screening all our customers, but people lie, ALL THE FUCKING TIME. I catch customers in lies 4 or 5 times a day, on innocuous things, if it meant that they wouldn't get service I have ZERO doubt they'd lie about having a fever, a cough, or have a sick family member in the house. Even if I had work, I have no desire to go back, already applied for one different job, will be applying for more regardless if I have my existing job or not after all this. Jesse Sic Semper Tyrannis | |||
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Where the hell were all of the reporters screaming about constitutionality when Governor's shut down their states and restricted travel? Trump mentions it as a thought and they lose their shit! Pronoun: His Royal Highness and benevolent Majesty of all he surveys 343 - Never Forget Its better to be Pavlov's dog than Schrodinger's cat There are three types of mistakes; Those you learn from, those you suffer from, and those you don't survive. | |||
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Bring it on...  "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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