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Originally posted by Rightwire:
Michigan just pulled the plug on all restaurants and bars.

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Originally posted by Rightwire:
Interesting but long read on the decline of COVID spread.

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Originally posted by truckola:
I remember thinking China is locking down 750 million people when they had a reported 900 deaths in a population of 1.4 billion seemed to be excessive.

Now we have a President/Government basically ruining a very robust economy for the same reason.

Why? what are we missing?

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Originally posted by TAllen01:

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Originally posted by truckola:
I remember thinking China is locking down 750 million people when they had a reported 900 deaths in a population of 1.4 billion seemed to be excessive.

Now we have a President/Government basically ruining a very robust economy for the same reason.

Why? what are we missing?

Some are missing that this is happening in a super-compressed time frame. For example, yes, we have many flu deaths per year. But our healthcare system manages it, because it is spread out over a long enough time that hospitals still have enough beds and ventilators to handle the sick.

But just imagine everyone getting the flu AT THE SAME TIME and needing ventilators and hospital beds. There aren't enough to handle it all at once. That's the reason to shut down various events, schools, etc. It will still come, but at a pace that we can handle.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by Rightwire:
Interesting but long read on the decline of COVID spread.

I dunno about that. He isn't really saying anything other than new cases declined, and posits a number of hypotheses as to why--incl. China's extreme measures, the likes of which, implemented here, are drawing fire from many here.

Same with Israel. He notes "Israel currently does not have enough cases to provide the data needed to make estimates...," but didn't Israel crack down, hard, when this thing started ramping-up there?

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Originally posted by chellim1:
New York City Closes all Schools, Restaurants, Bars, Nightclubs, Cafe’s, Coffee Houses, Movie Theaters, and Public Spaces...

The Big Apple is about to get very interesting… A dense, mostly liberal population, all bound up in close proximity, now instructed by executive order and forced mandatory compliance, to essentially shut down.
[Link to NYC Press Releases]

New York Mayor de Blasio – “Our lives are all changing in ways that were unimaginable just a week ago. We are taking a series of actions that we never would have taken otherwise in an effort to save the lives of loved ones and our neighbors.

Now it is time to take yet another drastic step. The virus can spread rapidly through the close interactions New Yorkers have in restaurants, bars and places where we sit close together. We have to break that cycle.”

Effective March 16, New York City schools will close.

“Tomorrow, I will sign an Executive Order limiting restaurants, bars and cafes to food take-out and delivery. Nightclubs, movie theaters, small theater houses, and concert venues must all close. The order will go into effect Tuesday, March 17 at 9:00 AM.”

“This is not a decision I make lightly. These places are part of the heart and soul of our city. They are part of what it means to be a New Yorker. But our city is facing an unprecedented threat, and we must respond with a wartime mentality.”

https://theconservativetreehou...s-and-public-spaces/

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Originally posted by Doc H.:
We - the Royal "we" - seem to be staggering at the starting block with a - rather mild so far - pandemic, but improving.

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:

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Originally posted by chellim1:
New York City Closes all Schools, Restaurants, Bars, Nightclubs, Cafe’s, Coffee Houses, Movie Theaters, and Public Spaces...

The Big Apple is about to get very interesting… A dense, mostly liberal population, all bound up in close proximity, now instructed by executive order and forced mandatory compliance, to essentially shut down.
[Link to NYC Press Releases]

New York Mayor de Blasio – “Our lives are all changing in ways that were unimaginable just a week ago. We are taking a series of actions that we never would have taken otherwise in an effort to save the lives of loved ones and our neighbors.

Now it is time to take yet another drastic step. The virus can spread rapidly through the close interactions New Yorkers have in restaurants, bars and places where we sit close together. We have to break that cycle.”

Effective March 16, New York City schools will close.

“Tomorrow, I will sign an Executive Order limiting restaurants, bars and cafes to food take-out and delivery. Nightclubs, movie theaters, small theater houses, and concert venues must all close. The order will go into effect Tuesday, March 17 at 9:00 AM.”

“This is not a decision I make lightly. These places are part of the heart and soul of our city. They are part of what it means to be a New Yorker. But our city is facing an unprecedented threat, and we must respond with a wartime mentality.”

https://theconservativetreehou...s-and-public-spaces/

It will be fun to watch, from afar.

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Originally posted by TAllen01:
Why would it be fun? I am here in Ohio where the same thing is happening, and it is terrifying.

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Originally posted by frayedends:
Holy Crap! Governor Baker in Massachusetts just banned restaurants and bars from opening except for takeout. Small business will be crushed. I know a few bar owners that can not survive this. WTF.

https://www.boston25news.com/n...RXFD5HE4DHPRSRUHKQA/

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Mayor London Breed on Friday enacted a moratorium on evictions of tenants who are unable to pay rent due to impacts from the coronavirus.

Breed is using her legal authority under a Feb. 25 local emergency declaration to prevent landlords from evicting any resident who is unable to pay rent as a result of losing income caused by the COVID-19 pandemic. The prohibition is in place for an initial 30-day period, and Breed could extend it for an additional 30 days.

Confirmed cases of COVID-19 in San Francisco have increased from the first two reported last Thursday to 23 reported as of Friday morning. The local economy has taken a hit as a result of the spread and measures taken by health officials to encourage people to stay home, telecommute and cancel events of 250 or more. Hotel occupancy rates have dropped to as low as 20 percent, lower than after 9/11, and the convention industry has shut down until at least mid-May.

Hotels alone in San Francisco employ about 25,000 people.

The moratorium will prevent any resident from being evicted who has lost income as result of a business closure, a reduction of hours or wages, layoffs or medical expenses caused by the COVID-19 pandemic.

“Protecting public health means keeping people secure in their housing, which we know is a challenge right now as our economy and our workers are being severely impacted by this crisis,” Breed said in a statement. “This all part of our larger plan to provide support and resources to everyone in our city who is suffering under the spread of COVID-19.”

In order to take advantage of the moratorium, a tenant must first tell their landlord that they cannot make rent due to the impact of COVID-19. Within one week of the notice, the tenant is required to provide some form of proof they cannot pay rent.

Tenants will still have to pay the rent owed at some point. They have until six months after the emergency declaration is terminated to repay any back due rent.

The eviction moratorium has drawn support from a number of groups, including the San Francisco Apartment Association and the Legal Assistance to the Elderly.

“All of LAE’s clients fall into a high risk group,” said Laura Chiera, executive director of Legal Assistance to the Elderly, in a statement. “We have been extremely worried for their health and safety during this time when it is difficult to access resources and support. We believe that this eviction moratorium is a critical life-saving action.”

Supervisor Dean Preston, who called for similar protections earlier this week, praised Breed and called it an “important step to provide immediate protections for tenants who are unable to pay rent due to this health crisis.”

“I look forward to working with the Mayor and my colleagues on the Board of Supervisors on further efforts to keep people in their homes during this difficult time,” he said.

In previous economic conditions, failure to pay rent or pay rent on time was a small subset of the overall tenant evictions. In fiscal year 2018-2019, there were 1,544 evictions filed with the rent board, of which 83 were for non-payment of rent and 32 for habitual late rent payments.

Breed’s eviction moratorium is part of a growing effort to enact similar protections throughout the state.

On Thursday, state Sen. Scott Wiener issued a statement calling for a state and federal moratorium on foreclosures along with residential and commercial evictions.

“As we move through the COVID-19 emergency, people must be able to focus on our community’s health — slowing the virus’s spread — and not on economic survival,” Wiener said. “Yet more and more California workers and businesses are being forced to choose between protecting public health and paying the mortgage or rent.”

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by Doc H.:
We - the Royal "we" - seem to be staggering at the starting block with a - rather mild so far - pandemic, but improving.

I was thinking about this earlier this morning. That may be one of the few silver linings in what's going on. Compared to something really nasty getting loose (e.g.: Ebola), SARS-CoV-2/Covid-19 isn't particularly horrible. So perhaps a good, if expensive, exercise.

Question, Doc H: Do we have any current, more-or-less credible, guesstimates on R0? First it was thought to be as high as 6+, then as low as 2+, now I'm seeing some suggestions it may fall more near 4.5.

Seasonal influenza falls right around 1.6. SARS-CoV-2 does seem to be a lot more infectious, but just how much more?