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Seeker of Clarity
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We are wondering what we could do at this point?


Commercial lab tests will be more widely available soon (two days where we are). Rationing of them for some time to only people with fever.

I too wonder if it's been on a rip earlier. I know people with pneumonia this year (my teenage daughter, and a heathy 40ish man) , and I never had in the past. We'll see. So hard to understand in these early days. In 6 months to a year we'll look back and know so much that is opaque now.




 
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https://www.breitbart.com/nati...tm_campaign=20200314


China Pushes Propaganda that U.S. Created the Coronavirus




 
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^^^. Not worth commenting on.


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I too wonder if it's been on a rip earlier. I know people with pneumonia this year (my teenage daughter, and a healthy 40ish man) , and I never had in the past.

I've gotta admit, I'm curious as to how local conditions are helping or hindering the potential spread. When the weather starts warming up or cooling down between "seasons" in Texas, incidents of allergies often go 'way up. If immune systems are taking a greater-than-normal beating this year independent of the spread of the corona virus, maybe it's making that spread easier. At the same time weather patterns, how moist the air is, etc., could make a difference. If someone does a sort of methodical forensic exam of this in the future it might make for some downright interesting reading.
 
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Screw that guy and that behavior. It's leech-like, in a time of need and distress.

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“I honestly feel like it’s a public service,” he added. “I’m being paid for my public service.”

What a piece of shit.

Indeed. I hope the asshole chokes on that stuff. He and everybody like him. Hope Craig's List and Facebook Marketplace likewise show them the door. If the damn gun show operators had had as much class as Amazon and eBay, we might not have had the same problem with ammo a few years ago.



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From Powerlineblog.com, a quote from an article in the Times of London (Times requires registration)

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PROS AND CONS OF CORONA
The London Times reports on the Wuhan coronavirus in Italy:

Giuseppe Natalini, head of intensive care at the Fondazione Poliambulanza hospital in the northern Italian city of Brescia, one of the places hit hardest by the coronavirus, does not mince his words.

“The situation is catastrophic, unimaginable,” he said. “If someone had told me on February 21 [when the first cluster of cases was diagnosed in Italy] that today we would be in this situation, I would not have believed it.

“Two or three weeks ago I would have considered the strict measures that have been in place in Italy disproportionate and alarmist. Now, absolutely not.”

Italy had 17,660 coronavirus cases and 1,266 deaths by Friday.

That works out to 7 percent mortality so far.

Natalini urged Britain and other European countries, feared to be two weeks or so behind Italy, to step up their containment measures before it is too late.

“It is fundamentally important to avoid any large groups of people getting together until this is over,” he said. “Italy was the first in Europe to pay the price for mistakes it made unwittingly. It got burnt and is now learning the lesson. Anyone who gets burnt a second time is a fool. When this infection explodes, you are facing an apocalyptic situation.”


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“The situation is catastrophic, unimaginable,” he said. “If someone had told me on February 21 [when the first cluster of cases was diagnosed in Italy] that today we would be in this situation, I would not have believed it.

“Two or three weeks ago I would have considered the strict measures that have been in place in Italy disproportionate and alarmist. Now, absolutely not.”


And that is EXACTLY why people have been advocating taking immediate, significant measures to slow the spread.

We don't KNOW that things will get that bad (and then worse,
as it will get in Italy before it gets better - today was another day of exponential growth in number of cases) here. It's possible that for some reason it just wouldn't be that bad here.

But if you wait to take steps until it's really obvious there's a big problem, your big problem is going to turn into a horrific one before it gets better.
 
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Italy's numbers esp look bad

1441 / 21157 = 7 % (same death rate as above sjtill post)

1518 / 17750 = 9 % serious cases of the 17,750 active cases

still's post above indicates Italy had 17,660 cases Friday.

above chart shows 3497 new cases in one day

17660 + 3497 = 21,157 cases
 
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My county, Summit County, just announced ALL restaurants will be closed starting Monday. I'm sorry, but stuff like this just doesn't come across as reasonable to me.


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I believe the comment has been made previously in this thread that we were following Italy's exponential curve, 10-11 days behind. So far, that had continued to be true, the curves are almost identical, although over the last two days we've accelerated a bit compared to Italy. (Note, though, that these are confirmed cases - obviously, no one knows exactly how many cases there are that haven't been tested, in either country.)

 
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What's that line from Red October about this shit getting out of hand?
This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it.
 
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If I were a local retail business I would limit stock to customers who frequent my establishment.

All of the Amazon/Internet buyers can get their supplies online. Those hypocrites shouldn’t be out locally eliminating options from patrons who have made the choice to support the local economy.


God bless business folks like you. I am also grateful that the local businesses that I’ve shown loyalty to behave similarly.




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My local grocery meat department this AM. What's that line from Red October about this shit getting out of hand?
No catfish fishermen in your area huh?
 
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If I were a local retail business I would limit stock to customers who frequent my establishment.

All of the Amazon/Internet buyers can get their supplies online. Those hypocrites shouldn’t be out locally eliminating options from patrons who have made the choice to support the local economy.


God bless business folks like you. I am also grateful that the local businesses that I’ve shown loyalty to behave similarly.


Noble sentiment, but not a good long range business strategy. I know that if I were turned away because I couldn't prove I was a 'loyal customer,' I would certainly remember the experience and never shop there again. On the era of social media, word would get around really quick.

And unless you are a very small business, who would know who the 'regulars' are?



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Our County Public Communications Specialist put out an announcement a couple days ago:

8 cases in _____ County – 7 presumptive positives and 1 that has been confirmed by the CDC. There are now a total of 11 statewide.

Then I read that testing kits (the only way to confirm a positive covid19) are like hen's teeth. And since they are so scarce, in one state, they will not test unless you have a 101.4F temperature. So in my mind: due to the lack of testing kits, cases seem low..., so:

1 - you can't report a positive unless it's verified with an authentic testing kit.

2 - due to the lack of testing kits, you can't test for it.

 
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As the President said, we've learned a lot- for instance, always cook your bat to an internal temperature of at least 160 degrees.

And perhaps we have fewer people in the country who believe in gun control than we did last week. The coming Zombie Apocalypse has aided these people in achieving universal clarity.

Suddenly, those inexpensive Chinese meds no longer seem like a bargain. Lots of eyes are being opened, and some people are actually beginning to consider the matter.

Survival prepping, our formerly secure relationship to food, and so forth- definitely a socially significant event, this bug.
 
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Then I read that testing kits (the only way to confirm a positive covid19) are like hen's teeth.


That's how it is being reported virtually everywhere, but from what I have read, we have hundreds of thousands of not millions of test kits - the real problem is capacity to process kits.

Until the CDC opened test processing to private labs about a week ago, across the entire United States we only had the capacity to process a few hundred test kits per day.

According to this ( http://twitter.com/COVID2019tests ), we have the capacity to process up to 26,000 or so kits a day now (up from ~8000 on March 9), but nowhere near that many are being done. According to this ( https://www.cdc.gov/coronaviru...s/testing-in-us.html ) fewer than 20,000 tests have been performed in the US, total, since the beginning of the outbreak.

From what my wife is hearing from her network of doctor friends, the people tasked with distributing kits (mostly county public health offices) are still sticking to old protocols and refusing to distribute kits, although I have no idea how serious a problem that actually is.
 
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“The situation is catastrophic, unimaginable,” he said. “If someone had told me on February 21 [when the first cluster of cases was diagnosed in Italy] that today we would be in this situation, I would not have believed it.

“Two or three weeks ago I would have considered the strict measures that have been in place in Italy disproportionate and alarmist. Now, absolutely not.”


And that is EXACTLY why people have been advocating taking immediate, significant measures to slow the spread.

We don't KNOW that things will get that bad (and then worse,
as it will get in Italy before it gets better - today was another day of exponential growth in number of cases) here. It's possible that for some reason it just wouldn't be that bad here.

But if you wait to take steps until it's really obvious there's a big problem, your big problem is going to turn into a horrific one before it gets better.


Dude relax, it's just exponential growth. Nothing to worry about, cases doubling every four days is just like the flu. 2-7% CFR is just like the flu. 15-20% requiring intensive care is just like the flu. Just because our exponential growth matches Italy and growth models doesn't mean it's real. Just because 47% of Italy's resolved cases result in death doesn't mean shit. We are the United States of America, we are immune to viruses for some reason. Pour yourself a beer and stop fretting.



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Report from crazytown (local grocery store)

Looks like communist Russia in here. Every potato gone. Every carrot. Every cabbage. Every banana. NO bread. No lunch meat, hot dogs, or cheese. No rice or dried beans. Very little pasta. Entire paper towel and terlet paper aisle is *ahem* wiped clean. No butter, sugar, or flour. Plenty of milk today but I heard there was none for miles around a couple days ago. Almost no bottled water.

Plenty of twinkies cereal though yaaaay


I was just there to buy a gross of magnum condoms and a case of gatorade


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My county, Summit County, just announced ALL restaurants will be closed starting Monday. I'm sorry, but stuff like this just doesn't come across as reasonable to me.


Jeez the economic impact will be awful.
 
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