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Colorado reported its first presumptive case. 2 total. Arrived by plane to Denver to ski in summit county after a trip in Italy. Rental car used. Fiance drove symptomatic 30 year old to denver hospital.

Hard to believe no one else on the flight was infected.

Interestingly, the flu you were exposed to first as a child (and survived obviously) is the virus you will have the most immunity to throughout life. I'm pretty well set for H2N2 and H3N2. I take my chances with H1N1.
 
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I was scheduled to attend a very large international medical conference next week. Just got the word that it has been cancelled. Roughly 50,000 healthcare executives and doctors typically attend. The lost revenue for those numbers of hotel rooms and uber rides and nice dinners is not insignificant.


I was also scheduled to go to it. From my perspective, the way that unfolded, non-healthcare specific companies bailed first (like Cisco Systems). IMO these companies were there as table-stakes, but there's no way they really reap back (quantifiably) the cost of attending. They just go because their competitors go.

As that continued and the dominoes started falling, it started to look a little shaky. Then a lot of hospitals started pulling back. Then Trump announced he was coming on Monday to open the show, and people started melting the hell down. Watching one of the HIT blogs, I was shocked to see well educated people spouting typical TDS nonsense. It was all over at that point. All last week the cancelations continued to roll in. Finally, the conference folks rolled up the carpet and called it a day.

Orlando will be a ghost town next week if anyone is interested. Bet you can get a room for a song.



HIMSS20? I saw just now it’s officially cancelled.

My FIL was supposed to attend, he works with Microsoft and once all the big players like that started bailing, it was only a matter of time before the thing was called off.

I can’t even begin to imagine what all the people who run all the hotels and restaurants and other facilities there are going through right now, probably just reeling in shock and realizing they may be screwed in the short term at the very least. Eek


 
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I can’t even begin to imagine what all the people who run all the hotels and restaurants and other facilities there are going through right now, probably just reeling in shock and realizing they may be screwed in the short term at the very least

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It is just a bump in the road. It is not like Disney or the city of Orlando is going into bankruptcy. Things always bounce back. It would be nice if the media would be quarantined as they have spread panic and made things much worse.
 
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So I haven't looked at my 401K since this started. I'm 69 and retired, so I'm not going to put any more in. I haven't bailed out of my conservative portfolio that is a mix of stocks and bonds. I'm thinking the best thing to do is hold tight and not make any changes while everyone is in panic mode. Any thoughts? What are you retired guys doing?
 
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I see where Colorado now has 2 confirmed cases of Coronavirus.

And $8.5 billion of funds to fight the virus. Trump only asked for $2.5 billion leaving $6 billion available for what?

With a Democrat administration, I know where the $6B would go, but how about now?

Still the swamp is deep and entrenched.


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What are you retired guys doing?


Well, I sleep in. Then I take a nap almost every afternoon. Feels good. Every day I take stock of my billfold, and if there isn't enough money in it, I add some. Come afternoon, I take my wife to lunch. Its tough being retired.

I haven't taken stock of my savings in maybe 4 months. I don't call it a portfolio because I don't consider it that way. I'm a little upset that interest rates are dropping because I have a significant portion in savings bonds. Yes, the E bonds. I'd been pulling about 5 or 6% depending on when I bought them. But they do well during bad times.

Then I realized that about everything is paid for so why should I worry. And my checking account balance keeps growing slowly because of my generous SS deposits. It means I can live off it forever, or until I die. Guess I need to load up my guns to ward off the unwashed hoards when they read this. Or go to bed. So you could say I haven't bothered to panic. Yet.


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Well, I sleep in. Then I take a nap almost every afternoon. Feels good. Every day I take stock of my billfold, and if there isn't enough money in it, I add some. Come afternoon, I take my wife to lunch. Its tough being retired.

I haven't taken stock of my savings in maybe 4 months. I don't call it a portfolio because I don't consider it that way. I'm a little upset that interest rates are dropping because I have a significant portion in savings bonds. Yes, the E bonds. I'd been pulling about 5 or 6% depending on when I bought them. But they do well during bad times.

Then I realized that about everything is paid for so why should I worry. And my checking account balance keeps growing slowly because of my generous SS deposits. It means I can live off it forever, or until I die. Guess I need to load up my guns to ward off the unwashed hoards when they read this. Or go to bed. So you could say I haven't bothered to panic. Yet.


A little of what I was doing before I retired. Smile Which I plan on going back to in a few months.



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I bought my first stock, Eastman Kodak when I was 12. I semi-retired at 45. I currently have no long equity positions for the first time in 35 years. Bonds, CDs, and real estate make up my investments today. That being said if I was a young person I would be watching for entry points in well managed Bio-pharma funds.
 
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5 cases in Houston area now. All linked to people on same trip to Egypt.

Link to Houston’s local CBS affiliate



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I can’t even begin to imagine what all the people who run all the hotels and restaurants and other facilities there are going through right now, probably just reeling in shock and realizing they may be screwed in the short term at the very least

^^^^^^^^^^^^
It is just a bump in the road. It is not like Disney or the city of Orlando is going into bankruptcy. Things always bounce back. It would be nice if the media would be quarantined as they have spread panic and made things much worse.


I think you missed his point. Many, many hotels, restaurants, and other businesses are franchises or mom and pops. This has been planned a year in advance, maybe more? The businesses plan their year out assuming the make their money on key dates (think Black Friday). This can be the difference between closing doors or being profitable for some of these businesses. They employee servers, bar tenders, bussboys, valets, maids, cooks, cashiers, bakers, etc. These people are the most likely to be living paycheck to paycheck. These people may not have insurance, may not have food supplies, may not be able to make car/rent payments. This could lead to a couple of businesses going out of business, RIFs, or cut hours.

Small businesses are the backbone of our economy. Even for the Walt Disney and corporate based service industries this will at a bare minimum hurt, yeah they aren't closing their doors, but guess who owns these companies? Me and you. Our life savings are tied to the success of all companies in American, big and small.



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Since we have some Docs in this thread I have been wondering about something that I haven’t seen addressed and maybe one or more of you guys could respond..

In the past, even when our flu vaccine wasn’t specifically designed for the actual strain that came over we were advised to still get it as it would somewhat minimize the effect of the flu.

So my question is this...Does the current flu vaccine have any effect on this virus as far as minimizing its possible effects?
It very well may not but I have been curious about this.


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Five schools closed here today due to potential exposure from a person who had contact with a confirmed case.

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I can’t even begin to imagine what all the people who run all the hotels and restaurants and other facilities there are going through right now, probably just reeling in shock and realizing they may be screwed in the short term at the very least

^^^^^^^^^^^^
It is just a bump in the road. It is not like Disney or the city of Orlando is going into bankruptcy. Things always bounce back. It would be nice if the media would be quarantined as they have spread panic and made things much worse.


Re: the media being quarantined -- YES!!!!!!!! Hysteria, utter hysteria.

Orlando will recover. But this will be a hard year. That's a HUUUGE amount of money for a week. It really takes over the city, and it's Health I.T., so it's the high cost industry (I.T.) that feeds upon the larges US industry (healthcare). So it's significant.




 
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So my question is this...Does the current flu vaccine have any effect on this virus as far as minimizing its possible effects?

No.

But the flu vaccine may save you from getting the flu or even worse, getting both at same time.




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Many, many hotels, restaurants, and other businesses are franchises or mom and pops. This has been planned a year in advance, maybe more? The businesses plan their year out assuming the make their money on key dates (think Black Friday). This can be the difference between closing doors or being profitable for some of these businesses. They employee servers, bar tenders, bussboys, valets, maids, cooks, cashiers, bakers, etc. These people are the most likely to be living paycheck to paycheck. These people may not have insurance, may not have food supplies, may not be able to make car/rent payments. This could lead to a couple of businesses going out of business, RIFs, or cut hours.

Small businesses are the backbone of our economy. Even for the Walt Disney and corporate based service industries this will at a bare minimum hurt, yeah they aren't closing their doors, but guess who owns these companies? Me and you. Our life savings are tied to the success of all companies in American, big and small.


This will definitely leave a huge dent in paychecks. I've heard 8 digits during that week. And while names like Hyatt and Southwest will be high on the list, names like Bill and Emma will be effected as well. Uber alone has to be HUGE that week. They simply don't stop rolling. Where ever you drop someone off, there is someone there to be picked up. And while the big name restaurants around the convention center definitely make bank, many of us who have been going every year for a long time venture across town to some real gems of restaurants that also see an uptick.

CV-19 will leave whatever toll it is going to leave when it's done for the year. I suspect as I have maintained, similar to other respiratory virus that would normally go unnoticed by the press. The unknown toll at this time is what the result of the media virus will be.




 
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I’m scheduled for a cruise next week. Hopefully we aren’t quarantined on the ship! It’s the Bahamas so I think my chances are good it will be fine.
 
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My employer is having an "Officer's Conference" next month in Tampa, and if they cancel I'm going to be pissed. My wife and I have a vacation specifically planned around the conference. In any case, I won't be canceling or curtailing any of my upcoming travels.

I'm praying though that by April a majority of this IRRATIONAL hysteria will cease. This is doing real harm to many different industries (except maybe Campbell soup) for really no good reason. Of course there's real risk of contracting this virus, we go through life accepting all sorts of risks every single day, but the level of harm being done here by some gross overreactions just doesn't jive with the level of risk that this virus seems to pose. Of course that's just my lowly, non-medical opinion.


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Since we have some Docs in this thread I have been wondering about something that I haven’t seen addressed and maybe one or more of you guys could respond..

In the past, even when our flu vaccine wasn’t specifically designed for the actual strain that came over we were advised to still get it as it would somewhat minimize the effect of the flu.

So my question is this...Does the current flu vaccine have any effect on this virus as far as minimizing its possible effects?
It very well may not but I have been curious about this.


It would be easy to give the stock answer, which would be no, but the real answer is more complicated. The flu vaccine stimulates production of antibodies, which may or may not be specific to a specific strain of the influenza virus. But it also stimulates the lymphocytes to respond to invasion in ways we don't understand. We also don't understand the cumulative effect of years or decades of immunizing the "herd" against viral assault. The ecology of viruses in general is a great unknown, and we certainly don't understand the human body completely, or its universe of systems. Otherwise, we would have no disease. So I'm going to give the less convenient and verifiable answer of "maybe," and as noted, will almost certainly prevent or mitigate the effects of influenza, which we already know is a bad actor.

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In any case, I won't be canceling or curtailing any of my upcoming travels.

I'm praying though that by April a majority of this IRRATIONAL hysteria will cease.

You will probably be fine.

However, it's amazing how quickly the virus has spread. Just 7 weeks ago, the global total was less than 250 cases, all in China, and almost all in the city of Wuhan.



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I’m scheduled for a cruise next week. Hopefully we aren’t quarantined on the ship! It’s the Bahamas so I think my chances are good it will be fine.


Same, going to Cozumel. I'm not worried, looking forward to a less crowded ship, I hope



 
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