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For airborne particulate pollutants, masks are actually not a bad idea. That’s what they were made for after all. For much smaller viral particles not trapped in large water droplets, we already know that even with N95 level filtration they are far less effective and create a false sense of security. China should be a perfect proving ground for this fact as most will wear masks of some kind, and Covid will spread like wildfire, even if people in the US still cling to their supposed iron clad usefulness.

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For airborne particulate pollutants, masks are actually not a bad idea. That’s what they were made for after all. For much smaller viral particles not trapped in large water droplets, we already know that even with N95 level filtration they are far less effective and create a false sense of security. China should be a perfect proving ground for this fact as most will wear masks of some kind, and Covid will spread like wildfire, even if people in the US still cling to their supposed iron clad usefulness.

Especially since the masks are made in China.

It is customary in Japan, and to a lesser extent in China to wear masks when sick to show that you are attempting not to infect others. It's cultural and not based in actual scientific research.

Masks for pollution in Beijing are used a bit, but it's not really common. Mostly when pollution levels are high. Beijing can have "pea soup" smog, and you smell it as soon as you exit the plane onto the jetway. One coworker wore a mask often and it did darken like the air filter on a car after a while. But then many Chinese are smokers which kind of defeats the purpose...

Many people I know in China have gotten COVID lately, mostly symptoms we would expect - cold/flu, fever, aches - and they recover fine. But they are working age - 20's to 40's mostly. I don't know elderly people so I am trying to find out what's really happening. The gov't and media will report high case numbers and minimal deaths to prove that they waited long enough for COVID to become weakened and that now it's just a cold/flu and no one is dying. No matter what, the numbers have to support the narrative. And propagandists on both sides will say all kinds of things.

Chinese generally go to the hospital whenever they are sick. That's just what they do. On social media you know someone is sick because they post a picture of an IV bag. Yep, go to hospital for cold/flu and they give you a saline IV for hydration. So when everyone with COVID goes to the hospital even though there is nothing they can really do unless you need to be admitted to ICU causes huge crowds and wait times. They also have "fever clinics" to triage before hospital due to try to manage the overrun.

When I am sick they always ask "did you go to the hospital?" Why would I? ER costs $3000+ and even a walk-in clinic at Dr. office rates ($75-$100) will just say "you have a virus" and to wait it out. I had headaches and one said "did you get an MRI?". Um, you need a Dr. to order an MRI and they better have a good reason or insurance will deny it, and it costs a LOT. In China you can walk in and get an MRI for less than $100.

ABC News’ ‘This Week’ producer Dax Tejera dead at 37

Dax Tejera, the executive producer of ABC’s “This Week with George Stephanopoulos” died suddenly Friday at the age of 37.

ABC News President Kim Goodwin announced “with a heavy heart and great sadness” that Tejera died of a heart attack on Friday night...

https://nypost.com/2022/12/24/...campaign=android_nyp

And the “unexpected death” dirge goes on and on. Nothing to see here, move along. Perfectly normal all of a sudden over the last 2 or so years.

Masks are back at the Gateway Arch. Good thing I have no desire to go up any longer. Wonder if they’ll split groups going to the top or if they think masking is effective enough for mixed groups to be together in the tiny trams. I can see this being an every winter thing, unfortunately. Link

https://www.theepochtimes.com/...7KExtkJful%2BAbIY%3D

New ‘Twitter Files’ Show Company Suppressed COVID Information From Doctors and Experts

Twitter appeared to succumb to pressure from federal officials to moderate content around COVID-19, including blocking a post by a former Harvard scientist who offered critical feedback against COVID-19 vaccines in 2021, according to the latest installment of the Elon Musk-endorsed “Twitter Files” posted on the morning of Dec. 26.

Internal emails published by journalist David Zweig show that there were “countless instances” of Twitter posts being taken down or labeled as “misleading” because they differed from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) guidelines or “establishment views” around COVID-19 or vaccines.

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Predictably, the push back against DeSantis’ probe investigating “vaccine” harm to Floridians by “medical experts” is beginning. If the snake oil is as safe and effective as they say, why not welcome it? One could also ask the obvious question- why are they still blanketed under emergency use authorization after more than 2 years, insulating manufacturers from liability. Taxpayer dollars paid for R&D, the injections themselves, so why should they enjoy blanket immunity if they are so safe?

https://thehill.com/policy/hea...-health-experts/amp/

DeSantis’s request for COVID vaccine probe denounced by health experts

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis’s (R) petition for a grand jury investigation into COVID-19 vaccines, in which he decries the ongoing vaccine campaign as “propaganda” by the Biden administration, is drawing fierce criticism from health experts.

Physicians and public health experts say his request betrays decades of established procedure designed to ensure the safety and efficacy of the vaccines, and only serves to stoke further immunization fears.

DeSantis’s petition for a grand jury investigation was approved by the Florida Supreme Court on Thursday, clearing the way for what his office described as a probe into “wrongdoing committed against Floridians related to the COVID-19 vaccine.”

The request was first made known during a roundtable discussion the Florida governor held last week, in which he condemned what he viewed as the linking of morality to pandemic mitigation methods such as staying at home in the early parts of the outbreak and getting vaccinated once the shots became available later on, and criticized federal COVID-19 guidance as being a “huge political farce.”

In his petition, DeSantis expressed suspicion over the COVID-19 vaccines’ ability to prevent transmission of the virus, as well as public statements made on the subject by officials like President Biden and outgoing chief White House medical adviser Anthony Fauci. As has been previously stated by physicians and researchers, no vaccine is 100 percent effective, but studies have consistently shown the coronavirus vaccines offer strong enough protection for recipients to prevent severe disease, hospitalization and death.

“It is impossible to imagine that so many influential individuals came to this view on their own. Rather, it is likely that individuals and companies with an incentive to do so created these perceptions for financial gain,” DeSantis suggested in his petition.

Public health experts and physicians, however, said DeSantis’s approach to scrutinizing the vaccines was flawed and counterproductive to promoting public health.

Brian Castrucci, president and CEO of public health group the de Beaumont Foundation, said DeSantis “appears to be focused on creating fear around vaccines that have been shown to be safe and effective,” rather than protecting the lives of Floridians.

“These vaccines have been tested and scrutinized more than any other vaccine, and they continue to save lives. Vaccine safety is not a partisan issue and attempting to make it one puts lives at risk,” Castrucci added.

Joshua Sharfstein, vice dean for public health practice and community engagement at Johns Hopkins University and former principal deputy commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), said in a statement to The Hill that while there are legitimate avenues for evaluating vaccine recommendations, DeSantis’s investigation request was not an example of one.

“This is turning a matter of health and science into a political wedge issue, with the likely consequence that many people will be misled into placing themselves and their families at risk of serious illness and death,” Sharfstein said.

Other public health experts similarly disagreed with the avenue the governor has chosen for reviewing the COVID-19 vaccine guidance.

“His understanding of the facts or at least his articulation of the facts are just wrong,” Georges Benjamin, executive director of the American Public Health Association, told The Hill. Commenting shortly before the court’s decision, Benjamin said he hoped the petition was denied, as he considered such an investigation “a waste of taxpayer money and time and effort.”

“No one has either inappropriately or purposely either overstated or understated the vaccine in any way,” said Benjamin. “It’s a brand-new technology. Like any brand-new technology, you make some assumptions about what you think’s going to happen. It actually turned out to be a whole lot better than most people thought it would be.”

William Schaffner, professor of medicine at Vanderbilt University’s department of health policy and its division of infectious diseases, said he was “baffled” by DeSantis’s assertion that influential public health officials could not have come to same conclusion when it came to the vaccines.

As Schaffner noted, there are two independent panels composed of voluntary, external experts who advise federal agencies on vaccine policy. These committees are the Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee at the FDA and the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), for which Schaffner is an ex-officio member, usually a nonvoting position within the group.

“That committee has been working for more than 60 years, and it deals with all vaccines. And it establishes the standards of practice as to who ought to receive the vaccines,” Schaffner said of the ACIP, noting committee meetings are entirely open to the public. “So, this is a rigorous, externally vetted, very critical process and it’s transparent … it is a model of open regulatory and recommending processes.”

In addition to expressing suspicion over the vaccine’s ability to prevent transmission, DeSantis further asserted that the risk of myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart muscle, could possibly outweigh the benefits conferred by immunization.

Myocarditis is a rare side effect of mRNA vaccination that has been observed to be more common among young male patients. Both the ACIP and the CDC have previously determined that the risk of myocarditis and pericarditis, an inflammation of the muscles surrounding the heart, is outweighed by the benefits of mRNA COVID-19 vaccines.

Both Benjamin and Schaffner pushed back against DeSantis’s suggestion, stating that the risk of myocarditis was in fact higher in COVID-19 infections than in coronavirus immunizations. Schaffner referred to myocarditis following vaccination as a “transient phenomenon” from which the vast majority of patients fully recovered, which has also been observed by the CDC in surveys.

“I’ve worked for governors and mayors and there’s clearly a role for elected officials to provide the appropriate moral leadership in our communities and governance leadership,” Benjamin said. “But I think that they get in trouble when they try to practice medicine.”

“They’re smart and, you know, they can certainly give an appropriate message. But the message is not as credible when they get into the weeds and start arguing really technical details without having the background and training,” he said.

When reached for a response to some of the criticisms relayed to The Hill, DeSantis’s office referred back the roundtable discussion the governor held.

Other recent news: the COVID vaccine makes you more susceptible to infections in general

Loads of data now appearing on how the vaccines damage your immune response:

See URGENT: Two new studies show mRNA-jabbed people have a much higher risk of getting Covid than unvaccinated people

are covid vaccines causing persistent covid?

https://stevekirsch.substack.c...can-easily-prove-the

This is a short piece by Karl Denninger -

Aw Crap....

Well, here's the medical facts that entirely explain why people with more shots get more covid.

I've been paying attention to this possibility for a while but until the study work came out that proved it all there was is speculation. ADE ("Antibody dependent enhancement") is a fairly poorly-understood thing; most people believe it is confined to making a particular infection more serious than it would otherwise be.  Of course having it occur when it otherwise would not fits that quite-nicely, but isn't what people tend to think about.

Now, unfortunately, we have the evidence. Here's the salient graph and lots of discussion which I'll try to recap for you here:



Let me explain this one for you because it makes very clear what's going on. There are multiple sub-types of IgG antibodies.  IgG are the last ones that show up; IgA typically is in the mucosa of the nose, and is a "front line" of defense if you will. IgM shows up second; it generally is gone about two weeks or so after you recover. IgG is the "long term" antibody recognition but it has multiple subtypes.  

This is very important for human and animal life, because not all things that can elicit a serious immune response should get one.  For example: A bee sting.  A serious immune response to that could kill you and in people seriously-allergic that's a real risk. So why don't most people get a serious immune response?

As it turns out they sort of do, but its focuses in one sort of IgG build, IgG4, which suppresses the cascade of events that cause the body to go after the thing in question and destroy it, along with all the side effects that produces (fever, serious inflammation, etc.)

Well, when you get Covid typically IgG3 is the one that neutralizes most of the virus. IgG1 and 2 do some of the work, but most of it is done by IgG3.  You're not supposed to build an IgG4 response, and with natural infection without vaccination you don't, thus there's no inhibition and your response is and remains effective at neutralizing whatever it is.  Typical vaccines (e.g. measles) elicit a response that looks exactly like an actual infection because that's how they're designed and intended; they use the whole virus and their intent is to make your body think it is being invaded by the real deal and respond as it would to the real deal.

None of the western world Covid jabs do this on purpose. They were all crafted to use only part of the virus, and the reason for that is past experience trying to create coronavirus vaccines all ended in failure with many of them producing wild enhancement of the infection instead of protection and in animal testing reliably killed the animals. Thus the decision was made without long-term safety and efficacy testing to use only the spike, with the idea that doing so would prevent the bad outcome.

They were wrong; it didn't prevent the bad outcome but instead shifted it in ways that were wildly insidious and unforeseen.

As it turns out what is now in the data is that IgG3, which the component that provides most of the protection against Covid is down to a flat zero by the time you take the third shot while IgG4 which causes the body to tolerate the infection and not clear it skyrockets from nothing prior to the second shot to being extremely high for the third and subsequent.

This was never detected in the trials because they didn't look and it takes time to find it because the conversion only happens when you get infected after you're jabbed. So if you only test for three months and don't look at the IgG profile you'll never see it happen, never mind that until you boost the data is that while its detectable after the second shot (and thus could have been detected if they bothered to look) the response curve is exponential and its the third one that basically zeros the IgG3 response if, following the first booster, you get infected again -- and you will as neutralization from the booster itself wanes.

Remember, IgG4 causes the body to tolerate the infection rather than attack and clear it.

This turns you into a walking virus mutation and production factory, a source of infection to everyone around you and, to the extent that the virus does direct damage to your body systems, and we know the spike does, it also is likely to lead to very severe long-term problems that look like other conditions. Nobody is looking for spike damage specifically in, for example, heart attacks, strokes and pulmonary embolisms, never mind the possibility of potentiating cancer by suppressing immune response if that suppression and tolerance goes beyond Covid, and it very well might. If that's not bad enough everyone that got jabbed has the same profile of response where the normal situation is that responses differ in different people because our body systems operate slightly differently (we're all genetically unique.)

Now who's most-likely to have had the most number of jabs and thus are walking around tolerating infections and giving them others?  Health care workers! And who goes to the hospital or doctor? Compromised individuals who can least-withstand infections. Gee, that was smart, right?

What's worse is that we do not know if this is local to Covid or even just coronaviruses.  It might not be.  We may now have created a couple hundred million people in the US alone who have coded their immune systems to tolerate certain proteins that are common across all manner of respiratory viruses and worse, if its not local to viruses to be more-susceptible to cancer and other immune-sensitive problems with no way to reverse the effects!

If you recall I pointed out very early on in this thing that jabbing people with a non-sterilizing immune product, which these jabs all are, was wildly irresponsible because at minimum it would likely cause a decrease in symptoms and thus make it more likely rather than less that you'd go out and infect other people unknowingly. That was and remains correct however what nobody knew because we didn't look is that said non-sterilizing jabs had an even worse outcome in that they shift your immune response from elimination to tolerance so now, particularly after the third, you are likely to carry and not eliminate covid which makes you a literal Typhoid Mary, and if that's not enough we have no idea if this effect is local to Covid itself (which, in the world of Omicron isn't so awful as Omicron doesn't seem to be killing many people) but it may extend to influenza and even RSV, and is even more-likely to extend to the other two common beta coronaviruses OC43 and HKU1.

And finally, this may be permanent in those people who took the jabs. We don't know.

But what we do know, factually, is that when you get infected with Covid post Jab #3 your neutralizing antibody product is a statistical zero while your "tolerance" antibody production shoots the moon. This is exactly backward from what you want to happen and we are now left trying to figure out exactly how badly you screwed both yourself and others.

https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=247709

It’s funny how this thread started with…”We’re all gonna die!”

And is still that way…albeit with a different angle.

^^^ It's funny you should say that...
This is from page 1 of this thread:

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Originally posted by Dakor:

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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What do you mean get here? Coronavirus is a common virus thoughout the world. A few schools are closed each year due to their outbreak here in the U.S. and susceptibility is a function of the strain type vs. one's immune system memory/strength.
It's nothing new.

I guess you should tell the media that.

Yeah, I long ago stopped listening to the lame stream media. They're atrocious when it comes to politics, but they've been abysmal my entire life when it comes to science.

It seems to me that most of the thread has been about the over-reaction by government and media... rather than ”We’re all gonna die!” from the membership here.

I don't have time to search the 1130 previous pages to quote specific posts, but if memory serves, I do believe there were quite a few amongst our population that chastised those of us that chose to practice bodily autonomy and pretty much accused "us" that we would be responsible for the deaths of grandma, grandpa, and children because we didn't succumb to the government/sheep pressure to get the myocarditis shot or wear a mask.

I remember it turning my stomach with rage to read their total crap, which was a regurgitation of what the Lamestreet media was puking to the public.

I honestly hope "they" are in good health. That's all...

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That, and masking. If you recall, vastly more people wore masks than now and Covid still spread like wildfire. As the facts became more available about the minimal effect masks actually had on the spread of Covid, people here that defended it did it less and less. To me, it’s proof that personal experience is a better teacher than the supposed “experts”… at least to those that aren’t bleating and allowing themselves to be corralled and indoctrinated. If only the general population was as smart as the membership here at SF.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/...aC%2BKqFcPBqvglms%3D

Ivermectin Is Safe and Effective: The Evidence

Decades of use with nearly four billion doses to humans preceded recent use with COVID patients. From the chapter ‘Ivermectin sends COVID to lockdown,’ in my book The Defeat Of COVID.
Ivermectin is on the World Health Organization (WHO) List of Essential Medicines and is approved by the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA). This well-tolerated but potent anti-parasitic medicine has been prescribed billions of times in its 36-year history against a wide range of parasites. It is a drug in the avermectin family, so named because those compounds are produced by the soil organism Streptomyces avermitilis. It has also been studied and used against a wide range of viruses especially over the last decade, and there is evidence of potent antiviral effects against Influenza A and over a dozen other viruses tested. [309]

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https://www.stltoday.com/news/...67-2b102394d6f8.html

Mask requirement returns to Gateway Arch buildings

by Erin Heffernan
Dec 26, 2022

ST. LOUIS — Visitors will be required to wear masks in all federal buildings at the Gateway Arch National Park beginning Tuesday.

The National Park Service mask requirement is prompted by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s COVID-19 Community Levels tracker, the park service announced Monday.

Both St. Louis city and St Louis County COVID-19 levels are listed as "high," according to the CDC tool.

Cloth masks will no longer be allowed, the park service said in a statement.

All visitors and staff must wear a surgical mask, procedure mask or respirator. Free surgical masks will be available to visitors at the Arch information desk.

Edited to add: Erik85 posted this yesterday, my bad.

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Sheer folly.

I hope their attendance drops to zero!

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This is a short piece by Karl Denninger -

Aw Crap....

Well, here's the medical facts that entirely explain why people with more shots get more covid.

I've been following Denniger for more than a decade now. He slowly fell out of favor with me due to his increasing anti-Trump rhetoric. He does have a way with words and the ability to break ideas down into relatively simple terms for his readers to follow and understand. This article is one of those times.

Two things jump out at me and should cause concern in both the mRNA vaccinated population and the unvaccinated population.

• The mRNA vaccinated population have seriously disrupted their immune system for an unknown length of time, possibly up to forever.
  
  
• The mRNA vaccinated population are possibly individual gain-of-function hosts as common respiratory virus mutate due to the unnatural immune system response.
  

Neither hypothesis is great.

chellim1, thanks for posting the article. I surely would have missed it on my own.

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• The mRNA vaccinated population are possibly individual gain-of-function hosts as common respiratory virus mutate due to the unnatural immune system response.
  

Well. There's a happy thought.

If a person has not received any of the Wuhan flu shots and gets a blood transfusion from someone who has, will the non-shot individual now be infected with Fauci's Death Juice, or doesn't it work like that?