Are these justices really that stupid or are they just playing to the crowd? The crowd that will gladly agree and cheer as it confirms their own righteous beliefs.

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Originally posted by JohnCourage:
Are these justices really that stupid or are they just playing to the crowd? The crowd that will gladly agree and cheer as it confirms their own righteous beliefs.

Average IQ is 100… Seems to me they’re proving to be pretty average.

This is similar to hearings on gun rights. They know that they don't have a prayer if the hearing sticks to facts and logic so they must obfuscate with emotional nonsense and straw man arguments.

Sotomayor is an idiot. She said, in court today, that there were 100,000 children (that would be under 17 years of age) who were hospitalized with Covid and many were on ventilators - in the USA. CDC stats say the number is 3700 with few on vents. Her equally uninformed "comrade" E Kagan stated that the vaccine prevents Covid transmission - another falsehood. Part of the arguments are based upon an OSHA mandate established almost 50 years ago which gave OSHA the power to enact rules/regs that addressed "grave danger" to a business or its customers. When you have a disease that has less than 2% fatality rate that doesn't meet the grave danger threshold - IMO. In quizzing the attorneys today, (I think it was Justice Alito) the question arose as to whether there had ever been a time in the history of OSHA that regs were enacted utilizing the "grave danger" clause. Of course the answer was NEVER.
This is a blatant attempt to further institute socialism in our country

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COVIDSANITY: Texas Teacher Locked Child In Trunk At COVID Test Line, Said Teen Was In 'Quarantine'

Last week was loony airplane lady, also a teacher

This week we have crazy trunk lady

Are there any actual NON-INSANE female public school teachers out there?

PASig, those teachers only become temporarily sane when they extort us every fall (while wearing red shirts) for more money while going on strike before the kids are scheduled to go back to school.

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Are there any actual NON-INSANE female public school teachers out there?

I doubt it. I graduated in 1992. From the same HS my dad graduated from in 1964. When my mom passed a few years ago my sister and I were looking over my dads yearbook. 90% of the teachers he had were the same ones we both had (she graduated '90). Oh of course they were older, but I think teachers back then cared more about reading, writing, arithmetic, and most importantly to today, civics.

I consider myself an "end of the Reagan Era" baby and I am much better for it. For growing up in Boston my sister and I are VERY conservative. I put a lot of that on my parents, our school, our community, and our Catholic faith.

I can't wait until my sis and brother in law (also very conservative) escape the Cape move to Florida. Soon.

I have no children but I would work TEN jobs if that's what it took to keep them out of public schools today.

Nothing but pure communist indoctrination centers.

I've actually thought about getting a tattoo of that old saying from my childhood. One all the kids knew as we played "war" in the woods with our stick guns and pine cone grenades.

"Kill A Commie For Mommie"

In my county in NC you can go to the store, restaurants, bars, events, church, school, JROTC, sit in the movies, whatever, no mask, no BS. But the leaders of the NC Wing of the Civil Air Patrol decided that effective Friday (Jan 7), no more than 10 people can meet indoors. Outside, if all are vaccinated, not more than 25.

Morons.

If this lasts more than a couple of weeks, our squadron won't have any trouble meeting indoors if we even have 10 left.

Mel Brooks was a visionary writing Spaceballs.We are surrounded...

Oh look, too dangerous to teach in person but the communist minions are totally safe knocking on the doors of complete strangers and asking them if they need a test.

I hope the parents CRUSH these unions for what they have done to their children.

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Originally posted by PASig:

Last week was loony airplane lady, also a teacher

This week we have crazy trunk lady

Are there any actual NON-INSANE female public school teachers out there?

Thinking . . .

Before I met my wife (who is a blessed oasis in a desert of insanity) I was dating a female public school teacher. Absolutely, totally, completely, bat-shit crazy. Off the scale, burn out the meter, insane. Her theme song was "Looney Tunes."

What is it, about that vocation, that attracts the crazies? Or maybe they're sort of sane to begin with and the job pushes them off the deep end?

Wait, I know one (retired) who is great. Actually, the mother of one of our SIGforum members. She is a neat lady! Of course, her teaching career was many years ago, when nothing was as crazy as it is today.

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Originally posted by PASig:

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Originally posted by wcb6092:
COVIDSANITY: Texas Teacher Locked Child In Trunk At COVID Test Line, Said Teen Was In 'Quarantine'

Last week was loony airplane lady, also a teacher

This week we have crazy trunk lady

Are there any actual NON-INSANE female public school teachers out there?

Don't forget the teacher who injected her son's 17 year old friend over New Years with a JJ Covid vaccine who's now under investigation.

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Originally posted by JohnCourage:
Are these justices really that stupid or are they just playing to the crowd? The crowd that will gladly agree and cheer as it confirms their own righteous beliefs.

When you vote by ideology, you don't have to be informed on the issue or on the law. I'll guess these rubber stamps are the laziest judges ever.

But the precedent was set, and the same legal logic can be applied to the federal government.

Maybe there's something in the Occupational Safety and Health Act that could be read as not allowing OSHA to make a rule like the one they're trying to impose, but I would bet on that. But I doubt, based on Jacobson v. Massachusetts, that the SCOTUS will find a constitutional basis for overturning the rule.

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Originally posted by BBMW:
The problem is that normal legal process would allow vaccination mandates. There are previous precedents from previous pandemics where the courts allowed mandated vaccinations.

People seem to think this is a new issue, but it's actually very old, and has been run up the legal flagpole long ago.

By the States... not the Feds.
And the penalty was a $5 fine, not loss of ability to earn a living.

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Originally posted by BBMW:
But the precedent was set, and the same legal logic can be applied to the federal government.

Maybe there's something in the Occupational Safety and Health Act that could be read as not allowing OSHA to make a rule like the one they're trying to impose, but I would bet on that. But I doubt, based on Jacobson v. Massachusetts, that the SCOTUS will find a constitutional basis for overturning the rule.

Get outta here. The feds have no authority whatsoever to pull this crap. My goodness. The guy stumbling out of the pub at 2am on St. Patrick's Day could figure out this constitutional question.

Looking at the history of this going through the courts, it seems to be turning much more on whether OSHA and the CMS have the statutory authority to impose the rule. The question of whether the constitution would preclude them from imposing the rule doesn't even seem to be a factor.

Of course the SCOTUS will have the last word.

https://www.aha.org/news/blog/...vaccine-mandate-rule

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by BBMW:
But the precedent was set, and the same legal logic can be applied to the federal government.

Maybe there's something in the Occupational Safety and Health Act that could be read as not allowing OSHA to make a rule like the one they're trying to impose, but I would bet on that. But I doubt, based on Jacobson v. Massachusetts, that the SCOTUS will find a constitutional basis for overturning the rule.

Get outta here. The feds have no authority whatsoever to pull this crap. My goodness. The guy stumbling out of the pub at 2am on St. Patrick's Day could figure out this constitutional question.

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Originally posted by BBMW:
Of course the SCOTUS will have the last word.

After going back tonight and listening to the deliberations from today, at least a subset of SCOTUS has proven they 1) have zero grasp of the basis of the constitution and the separation of powers, 2) have zero working knowledge of anything Covid related, and 3) have the reasoning powers of a mentally challenged six year old. I've been reading SCOTUS opinions for years, and though at times I might disagree with the decisions of the court, I could generally always at least follow their reasoning. Today's deliberations ended all of that for me. Today was one of the most embarrassing moments in SCOTUS history given the comments from some of the judges (Breyer, Sotormayor, and Kagan). Even Roberts comments left me wondering if he has a clue. I guess at a time when the legislative branch of government is utterly corrupt, moronic, and unethical, the high court should be no different.

^^^I gotta differ with you big. Those 4 judges know exactly what they’re doing. They are activist judges abusing their power to facilitate the dismantling of America.

Justice Sotomayor Claims Not to Understand the Distinction Between State and Federal Powers

Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor professed not to be able to understand the distinction between federal authority and state police powers during oral arguments in a consolidated case before the court on Friday morning.

The Occupational Safety and Health Administration’s (OSHA) rule states that employers of 100 or more workers must either require employees to be vaccinated, or force unvaccinated employees to submit to weekly testing and masking in the workplace. Both the National Federation of Independent Business and the state of Ohio are suing to end the OSHA vaccine or test mandate.

Critics, including the plaintiffs, submit that the rule represents federal and bureaucratic overreach. On Friday morning, Sotomayor expressed her dissatisfaction and puzzlement at that critique.

“I’m not sure I understand the distinction why the states would have the power [to institute a mandate such as OSHA’s], but the federal government wouldn’t,” stated the associate justice.

When Ohio solicitor general Ben Flowers began to explain that the federal government lacks police powers, Sotomayor cut him off, exclaiming that that it has “power with respect to protecting the health and safety of workers. ”

“We have accept[ed] the constitutionality of OSHA,” continued Sotomayor, who eventually insisted that the federal government has “a police power to protect workers,” over Flowers’s objections.

Those objections are rooted in the Tenth Amendment, which states that “the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.” In constitutional law, these are frequently referred to as “police powers,” and refer to efforts to regulate the health, safety, and morals of the populace.

Later in the oral arguments, Justice Clarence Thomas asked Flowers if he believed the state of Ohio could impose a mandate like OSHA’s in an effort to clarify the meaning and role of police powers.

Flowers answered in the affirmative, even going so far as to argue that Ohio could mandate vaccination for all of its residents.

Thomas finished the exchange by noting that “there seems to be a suggestion that this is all-or-nothing, that the other governmental bodies do not have police powers to regulate certain activities.”

Justice Neil Gorsuch later waded into the debate as well, asserting that “we have all kind of come to the point where we all agree that states have a wide police power under our constitutional system. Congress has to regulate consistent with the commerce clause,” before going on to note that Congress is required to legislate on major questions, rather than delegating that decision-making authority to federal agencies.

https://www.nationalreview.com...lated&utm_term=first

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^^^I gotta differ with you big. Those 4 judges know exactly what they’re doing. They are activist judges abusing their power to facilitate the dismantling of America.

That might well be true, but they could accomplish their goals without looking like imbeciles, something they did not do today.