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Has Covid vaccine efficacy turned negative?
Data from highly vaccinated countries suggests strongly that the answer is yes; vaccinated people are at higher risk of infection from Omicron.

Denmark has fewer than 6 million people - 1/60th as many as the United States.

Nearly its all adults are vaccinated, mostly with the Pfizer mRNA vaccine that is the world’s supposed gold standard. Half have received third “booster” doses.

On Wednesday Denmark reported 28,000 Covid infections - equal to about 1.7 million in the United States.

The figures are similar in the United Kingdom, and all over Western Europe. Many countries are at 90 percent adult Covid vaccination levels, with boosters soaring. And they are all now in the midst of an epidemic of Covid contagion that dwarfs any that has come before.

The vaccines sure seem to have failed.

That’s wrong, though.

The reality is worse.

The data from several countries now show clearly that infection rates are higher in vaccinated people.

Iceland has a 91 percent vaccination rate (and an over 50 percent booster rate) in its population over 12. This is its chart of cases per-capita by vaccination status. Not absolute, per-capita. Dark blue is fully vaccinated, light blue is unvaccinated, black is boosted.

Look at what has happened to the dark blue line since Dec. 21, since Omicron became dominant.



SOURCE: https://www.covid.is/data

We already know vaccine protection against earlier variants of Sars-Cov-2 falls sharply within months of the second dose, as the vaccine-generated antibodies fade.

But the new data go a step further, showing that previously vaccinated people are actually more likely to contract Omicron.

The government of Ontario has reported exactly the same pattern. So have Danish researchers, in a paper two weeks ago, when they found protection against Omicron turned negative three months after the second dose.

SOURCE: https://www.medrxiv.org/conten...21267966v3.full-text



The vaccine fanatics have said that boosters are the answer against Omicron, that people who receive a third dose will regain protection.

This is - at best - a highly optimistic view.

Remember the happy vaccine valley?

During the 2021 mass vaccination campaigns, Covid infections (whether Delta or the original strain) fell close to zero in the four months after the second dose, as antibodies peaked.

The happy vaccine valley no longer exists. Boosters begin to fail essentially immediately against Omicron, despite the massive (and potentially dangerous) increase in anti-spike-protein antibodies they produce.

Here’s the most recent report on vaccine protection from the United Kingdom, from last week.

The black boxes represent protection against the Delta variant (which is overstated because of the healthy vaccine user bias, but put that fact aside). As you can see, peak protection against Delta starts around 90 percent two weeks after the second dose. It remains at 60 percent six months out. A third dose pushes it back to 90 percent, and it barely budges for the first 10 weeks.

But what’s true for Delta is NOT true for Omicron.

Even at their absolute peak, two doses of mRNA vaccines offer only 60 percent protection against Omicron. Within four months protection has fallen almost to zero. A booster returns protection to 70 percent, but two months later it has fallen to about 50 percent.

SOURCE: https://assets.publishing.serv..._severity_update.pdf

That’s a decline to 50 percent protection from Omicron (at most, because the unseen confounders will tend to overstate vaccine efficacy) within 10 weeks of a third dose. We have every reason to expect it too will plunge to zero within a few more weeks.

What then? A fourth dose? A fifth a few weeks after that? How much mRNA do the public health authorities intend to cram in us?



And what about the real terror, antibody-dependent enhancement?

Are the vaccines only driving infection with Omicron, or are they increasing the risk of serious illness too?

We don’t really know yet, in part because Omicron is milder across the board. In addition, the wave of cases has hit so fast that it will take time for serious illness to catch up. Finally, the problem of incidental hospitalizations (with, not from Covid) is worse and will further muddy the data.

That said, hospitalizations of vaccinated people with Omicron are rising very fast, and the gap between vaccinated and unvaccinated people is shrinking. The Danish government reported on Jan. 3 that only 24 percent of the people hospitalized with Omicron during late November and December were unvaccinated - while 76 percent were vaccinated, including 18 percent who were boosted. During the same period, unvaccinated people made up 45 percent of those hospitalized with earlier variants - yet more proof the vaccines simply do not work as well against Omicron as earlier variants.

https://alexberenson.substack....cine-efficacy-turned



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^^^^^
Didn't listen live, but from reading the comments from our Signal group, it would appear most of SCOTUS doesn't know their ass from a hole in the ground. Doesn't sound like "reason" took a strong-hold in these proceedings.....



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My sister and I both came down with it a couple weeks ago.
She's had all the injections and triple masks everywhere and I'm pretty much the opposite.
She had to be put on 02 and almost hospitalized where I had a bit of a fever, some aches, and a nagging cough.
I attribute these differences to the fact that she smokes and vapes and is 80 pounds overweight where I live healthy and run several miles a day leading to strong lungs.
 
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Didn't listen live, but from reading the comments from our Signal group, it would appear most of SCOTUS doesn't know their ass from a hole in the ground. Doesn't sound like "reason" took a strong-hold in these proceedings.....

The "wise Latina"?? Roll Eyes

Despite Sotamayor's Absurd Lack Of Covid-19 Knowledge, USSC Seems Skeptical Of Biden Vaccine Mandates

Update (1446ET): Aside from the utter lack of basic knowledge of Covid-19 exhibited by some of the USSC Justices (see below), the court seemed skeptical of the Biden administration's claim that it has the authority to force vaccine mandates on over 84 million private sector employees.

"OSHA’s sweeping regulatory dictate," will "irreparably injure the very businesses that Americans have counted on to widely distribute COVID-19 vaccines and protective equipment to save lives—and to keep them fed, clothed, and sustained during this now two-year-long pandemic," argued the National Federation of Independent Business (NFIB) vs. the Department of Labor, in the Court's first hearing.

The mandate will "convert hundreds of thousands of businesses into de facto public health agencies for two-thirds of America’s private employees," the continued.

In the second case, Biden v. Missouri, the federal government is attempting to lift lower court stays which have blocked the enforcement of a Nov. 4, 2021 emergency regulation from the Department of Health and Human Services, the Epoch Times reports.

Overreach?

Via Matthew Vadum via The Epoch Times

uring oral arguments on the private sector mandate, Chief Justice John Roberts said the federal government appears to be overreaching.

The executive branch is attempting to “cover the waterfront” by imposing COVID-19 policies on the population at large instead of leaving the matter to Congress, Roberts said.

“This has been referred to … as a workaround,” he said. “This is something that the federal government hasn’t done before.”

This pandemic “sounds like the sort of thing that states will be responding to or should be and Congress should be responding to or should be, rather than agency by agency the federal government and the executive branch acting alone,” the chief justice said.

Justice Neil Gorsuch said health regulations normally fall to the states.

“If there is an ambiguity, why isn’t this a major question that therefore belongs to the people’s representatives in the states and in the halls of Congress?” he said.

NFIB attorney Scott A. Keller said OSHA’s “economy-wide, one-size-fits-all mandate covering 84 million Americans is not a necessary and indispensable use of OSHA’s extraordinary emergency power which this court has recognized is narrowly circumscribed.”

Keller noted that three days ago the U.S. Postal Service told OSHA that the mandate requirements “are so burdensome for employers that the federal government is now seeking an exemption from its own mandate for the Postal Service.”

“That’s because OSHA’s economy-wide mandate would cause permanent worker displacement rippling through our national economy, which is already experiencing labor shortages and fragile supply lines. OSHA has never before mandated vaccines or widespread testing,” he said.

OSHA, “a single federal agency tasked with occupational standards, cannot commandeer businesses economy-wide,” Keller said.

Justice Elena Kagan said federal agencies have expertise in disease management and suggested OSHA has the authority to make the mandate because “this is a pandemic in which nearly a million people have died.”

“It is by far the greatest public health danger that this country has faced in the last century. More and more people are dying every day; more and more people are getting sick every day,” she said.

Keller said he did not contest “that COVID is a grave danger … but the agency has to consider and explain alternatives.” OSHA, instead “jumped immediately to a vaccine or testing mandate.”

The second hearing, dealing with the health care worker mandate, was underway at press time.

* * *

Update (1143ET): The Supreme Court, which is hearing arguments over vaccine mandates, displayed a stunning lack of knowledge of basic Covid-19 facts during today's oral arguments.

The worst offender - Justice Sotamayor - who not only claimed that there are "100,000 children in serious condition," with many on ventilators (there are 3,342 per HHS with many or most being incidental covid positives alongside other conditions), but that Omicron is as deadly as Delta.

The "wise Latina" also posited: "Why is a human spewing a virus not like a machine spewing sparks?"

https://www.zerohedge.com/medi...iden-vaccine-mandate



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-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

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The "wise Latina" also posited: "Why is a human spewing a virus not like a machine spewing sparks?"

As someone who works on various types of "machines", that's a reach of epic proportions. Roll Eyes

Of course we all knew she was ignorant, but damn, just, damn.


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Justice Elena Kagan said federal agencies have expertise in disease management and suggested OSHA has the authority to make the mandate because “this is a pandemic in which nearly a million people have died.”


What is the threshold for her? Would 100,000 deaths still negate the normal legal process? What exactly is the threshold for disregarding our laws and norms?



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The problem is that normal legal process would allow vaccination mandates. There are previous precedents from previous pandemics where the courts allowed mandated vaccinations.

People seem to think this is a new issue, but it's actually very old, and has been run up the legal flagpole long ago.

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Justice Elena Kagan said federal agencies have expertise in disease management and suggested OSHA has the authority to make the mandate because “this is a pandemic in which nearly a million people have died.”


What is the threshold for her? Would 100,000 deaths still negate the normal legal process? What exactly is the threshold for disregarding our laws and norms?
 
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The problem is that normal legal process would allow vaccination mandates. There are previous precedents from previous pandemics where the courts allowed mandated vaccinations.

People seem to think this is a new issue, but it's actually very old, and has been run up the legal flagpole long ago.

By the States... not the Feds.
And the penalty was a $5 fine, not loss of ability to earn a living.



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The problem is that normal legal process would allow vaccination mandates. There are previous precedents from previous pandemics where the courts allowed mandated vaccinations.

People seem to think this is a new issue, but it's actually very old, and has been run up the legal flagpole long ago.

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Justice Elena Kagan said federal agencies have expertise in disease management and suggested OSHA has the authority to make the mandate because “this is a pandemic in which nearly a million people have died.”


What is the threshold for her? Would 100,000 deaths still negate the normal legal process? What exactly is the threshold for disregarding our laws and norms?



I'm not a huge history buff, could you tell me some of the instances where a mandate was issued by a federal agency that only affects certain people employed at large employers?

Also I'm not good at civics, could you explain the portion of our nation's laws that addresses nationwide vaccine mandates?



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^^^^^
Didn't listen live, but from reading the comments from our Signal group, it would appear most of SCOTUS doesn't know their ass from a hole in the ground. Doesn't sound like "reason" took a strong-hold in these proceedings.....
Don't know about the 'most' reference, but I did listen to Kagan's comments today, and she once again re-affirmed her position as the dumbest judge on the court. This woman is a disgrace. According to her (paraphrasing), the legality of the mandates are dictated by the severity of the situation. So to take that a step further, you have 'zero' rights if the severity of the situation in the view of government supports their taking whatever actions they've taken to address the crisis. Yeah, I'm no attorney, but I can guarantee that's not the thinking or position of the founders. I've said it time and again and will keep on saying it, Kagan is one of, if not the dumbest, individuals ever allowed on the court. And it appears from other posts here, Sotomayor was trying to give Kagan a run for her money today when it comes to stupid.


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We’re fucked

They think they’re so smart acting like medical professionals and ruling on what course this virus is going to take versus understanding the constitutionality of federal agencies creating law out of thin air.





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The "wise Latina" also posited: "Why is a human spewing a virus not like a machine spewing sparks?"






I listened to this a little today. Good gravy this woman is stupid....
 
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The problem is that normal legal process would allow vaccination mandates. There are previous precedents from previous pandemics where the courts allowed mandated vaccinations.

People seem to think this is a new issue, but it's actually very old, and has been run up the legal flagpole long ago.



Ridiculous.


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COVIDSANITY: Texas Teacher Locked Child In Trunk At COVID Test Line, Said Teen Was In 'Quarantine'

https://nationalfile.com/covid...n-quarantine-police/

A Houston mother and public school teacher has been charged after police say she locked her 13-year-old son in the trunk of her vehicle while they waited to receive a COVID-19 test. The mother said her child was in quarantine.

Police say they were alerted on January 3, after Sarah Beam pulled into a drive-thru COVID test site and a witness reported seeing something move in her trunk.

The witness apparently instructed Beam to open her trunk.

Authorities say that Beam eventually opened the trunk, revealing her 13-year-old son.

“Beam told authorities she put her son in the trunk of her car due to him testing positive for COVID, and to prevent her from getting exposed to the virus while driving him to the site for additional testing,” Houston media reports.

“The witnesses said when she requested to see the child, Beam had to unlatch the trunk of the vehicle, and the child was found lying down inside.”

Apparently still defiant, Beam was told she would not be receive the COVID-19 test she craved until the teen was allowed to leave the confined space.

Beam has apparently worked as a teacher for Cypress Falls High School, and has worked in her current district in 2011.

The school has pulled Beam from the classroom and placed her on administrative leave.

This is the second time this week that a public school employee has made headlines for allegedly acting inappropriately around children because of the COVID-19 pandemic.

National File previously reported that a public school employee in New York had been arrested after she allegedly injected a friend of her son with one of the controversial COVID-19 vaccines without parental permission, or being qualified for such a procedure.

Education continues to be a pressing issue for Republicans, and it seems likely behavior like this will magnify already existing concerns about mandatory masking, Critical Race Theory, and other controversial facets of modern education.


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Justice Stephen Breyer brought the conversation to the havoc caused by COVID-19, challenging Keller on his request for an emergency stay when there are ten times more cases today than at the time OSHA originally put the rule into effect.

Noting that a stay requires a balance of harms against public interest, Breyer commented incredulously, “Is that what you’re doing now— to say it’s in the public interest in this situation to stop this vaccination rule with nearly a million people… let me not exaggerate… nearly three-quarters of a million new cases every day?”

“To me, I would find that unbelievable,” Breyer added.

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Justice Stephen Breyer, thinks if we have a stay on the mandate for a day 750,000 more people will get COVID that otherwise would not have.

“And if I am wrong, you better tell me I am wrong, because I really did believe it made a difference.” - Breyer

“Sir you are wrong” - kimber1911

Go to 1:24 to 1:26 of the video. Roll Eyes



I am into this at the 2:00 mark and am utterly shocked at the stupidity of those we have on the Supreme Court.

A pure disgrace.
Putin and Xi, must be laughing at us.
These are the best and brightest legal minds, you must be joking.



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nearly three-quarters of a million new cases every day?”


Well shit, I am swayed, I had no idea that enforcing the mandate would prevent 750,000 cases on day 1. Fuck, I guess we have to do it then. That's 75m less cases in just the first 100 days of the program. Do it for the children.



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Are these justices really that stupid or are they just playing to the crowd? The crowd that will gladly agree and cheer as it confirms their own righteous beliefs.


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Are these justices really that stupid or are they just playing to the crowd? The crowd that will gladly agree and cheer as it confirms their own righteous beliefs.


Average IQ is 100… Seems to me they’re proving to be pretty average.





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This is similar to hearings on gun rights. They know that they don't have a prayer if the hearing sticks to facts and logic so they must obfuscate with emotional nonsense and straw man arguments.


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