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Originally posted by Sig2340:

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Originally posted by parabellum:
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FBI confirms special secrecy agreements for agents in Clinton email probe

IMO this is much ado about nothing.

I have had to sign many non-disclosure agreements (NDAs) intended to cover unclassifed but still sensitive information.

For example, in my career I drafted a statement of work for a fed.gov solicitation to provide support to a BRAC'ed installation that was going to increase its population of workers by over 10,000 people, on three geographically separate, but nearby sites, none of which had sufficient mass transit, parking, or road infrastructure to handle the daily commuting load.

So the Headquarters organization responsible for BRAC hired my employer to help the BRAC office write a contract for a firm to provide integrated master planning to that installation. Part of the information I needed to read was classified because of one of the new tenants, but the rest, while decreed "unclassified" was nonetheless considered "procurement sensitive." Hence, in addition to the usual clearance paperwork I had to sign a separate NDA. That one was very interesting because I was prohibited from telling my immediate supervisor and the project manager the details of what I was doing (no NtK, plus the NDA). But that is the way of the world.

Now nothing save for my personal honor and the fear of retribution (no matter how remote) kept me from blabbing all I learned during my assignment. Believe me, I was shocked when I read all the documents involved because it was clear that the decision was monumentally stupid. No one in the preceding two years thought about the consequences of this BRAC decision - as was borne out by the insanity that reigned after the BRAC round decisions were announced.

The same is true for the FBI people who worked Clinton's criminal investigation. They must consider both the clearance level of the document and their NDA covering unclassified by sensitive information in deciding what they can tell or not.

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Originally posted by Sig2340:
Believe me, I was shocked when I read all the documents involved because it was clear that the decision was monumentally stupid. No one in the preceding two years thought about the consequences of this BRAC decision - as was borne out by the insanity that reigned after the BRAC round decisions were announced.

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Originally posted by Kadin:
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I don't agree.

Nothing wrong with a gag order that prevents them talking while the investigation is underway.

There's no reason to gag them afterwards. They have security clearances and unlike the person they were investigating, they know what it means and what they can and can't say.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
You guys want to defend the actions of these lawless shits? Really?

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Originally posted by lastmanstanding:
This entire episode with Bill and Lynch meeting on the plane, the perfect timing of Comey's announcement while Hillary is literally boarding Air Force One with Obama to campaign and the no indictment decision is so blatantly in your face corruption it tells me they are no longer concerned about losing their grip on power. They don't care who knows it, there is no reason in even trying to conceal it anymore.

They either know they have the numbers of enough incompetent intellectually lazy free shitters that will vote their way or they have the election rigged in some other fashion.

The double dealing, double standards high level of corruption is now worn plainly on their sleeves in Washington.
Anyone who dare try's to crack the circle and steal their power will never be allowed to hold any office of real power. Ever. They will do whatever is needed to prevent it from happening.

If you think the Hillary non indictment pissed you off there are whole new levels of pissed off we didn't even know existed just waiting to be experienced.

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Originally posted by Krazeehorse:

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Originally posted by lastmanstanding:
This entire episode with Bill and Lynch meeting on the plane, the perfect timing of Comey's announcement while Hillary is literally boarding Air Force One with Obama to campaign and the no indictment decision is so blatantly in your face corruption it tells me they are no longer concerned about losing their grip on power. They don't care who knows it, there is no reason in even trying to conceal it anymore.

They either know they have the numbers of enough incompetent intellectually lazy free shitters that will vote their way or they have the election rigged in some other fashion.

The double dealing, double standards high level of corruption is now worn plainly on their sleeves in Washington.
Anyone who dare try's to crack the circle and steal their power will never be allowed to hold any office of real power. Ever. They will do whatever is needed to prevent it from happening.

If you think the Hillary non indictment pissed you off there are whole new levels of pissed off we didn't even know existed just waiting to be experienced.

Like Whittle said, it's not that they think we are stupid. They know we aren't going to do anything about it. We're taking it lying down folks.

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Originally posted by Sig2340:

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Originally posted by Kadin:
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I don't agree.

Nothing wrong with a gag order that prevents them talking while the investigation is underway.

There's no reason to gag them afterwards. They have security clearances and unlike the person they were investigating, they know what it means and what they can and can't say.

Well I can tell you all of the NDAs I've signed (both commercial and .gov) have no expiration. There were also a few I flat refused to sign, not because of the work, but because of impossibly broad scope of the NDA.

It is just like classified materials. Even if in the public domain (e.g., on Wikileaks) if you hold a clearance but are not cleared for and have a need-to-know the contents of a specific document, you are not supposed to read it until it is officially declassified by the controlling authority. The fed.gov was made this abundantly clear in the wake of the Manning and Snowden revelations.

Now do I disagree with the decision in this particular case, yes. The classified documents should be declassified by the controlling authority and made publicly available (with one exception - apparently there was one TS email that mentioned a human clandestine operative (HCO) that should remain classified). There should not be a "forever" NDA either. It should expire one day after the statute of limitations kicks in and prevents prosecution.

But that wasn't my call.

The bottom line is the fed.gov classifies to much material, and restrict access too much material. But the individual volunteers to have access to classified documents, just like they volunteer to sign NDAs. Don't want to abide by those rules, don't sign. Don't live up to the contract you volunteered to sign (i.e., clearance, NDA) risk the consequences.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
You guys want to defend the actions of these lawless shits? Really?

As I said above, I am not defending the decision to invoke an NDA in this case, nor am I defending Clinton, her co-conspirators, and the entire apparatus that refused to take legal action against them (personally, I'd like nothing more than to read she had a nervous breakdown in prison). I am merely pointing out that NDAs are not some uber rare event in the fed.gov.

The agents who signed this one have undoubtedly signed others.

But what Grassley et al. are suggesting, that these kinds of NDAs are rare and unusual, well that too is misleading, if not downright untruthful, and I am sick and tired of seeing people mislead by politicians of every stripe.

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Originally posted by cne32507:
PBS's (and CBS's) Charlie Rose interviews HRC:


HRC "Do I wish I hadn't done it? Of course. Was it a mistake? Yes."

"Was it wrong?" Rose asked.

"Well, it was wrong because -- look at what it has generated," Clinton said.

In other words IT WAS WRONG BECAUSE I GOT CAUGHT

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Originally posted by Rightwire:
Is it me, or does anyone else notice that Hillary more or less wears a uniform, of different colors every day?

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Originally posted by Kadin:
On the NDA signed by investigators. Some of them are now stating in the news that it's unprecedented. The security clearance paperwork was nothing new, and that paperwork prohibits them talking about classified materials, but they say they've never before had to sign what is effectively a gag order for an investigation.

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Originally posted by 4x5:

Wouldn't it be something if an FBI agent 'unintentionally' violates the gag order, and gets prosecuted, while HRC gets a pass?