quote:

Originally posted by olfuzzy:
It was sent in Feb of 2011 and classified on 12/31/2015, declassified 02/29/2016. It seems like it makes her case (not classified when sent)

I think the point of that email was the irony in it.

And anyway, regardless of when it was classified, she still at some point had classified material on a private server. How in any way is that acceptable?

The "irony" email was classified on 12/31/2015
(when someone worried about security finally got around to actually looking at it, and going "oh crap, another one")

It is to be declassified on 02/26/2026

This is 15 years after the date of the email (27 Feb 2011)

The email was classified at time it was sent.

It is classified today (in unredacted form).

quote:

Originally posted by olfuzzy:
It was sent in Feb of 2011 and classified on 12/31/2015, declassified 02/29/2016. It seems like it makes her case (not classified when sent)

I seem to recall reading/hearing that every email sent by state department is classified.

May be my aging memory.

Doesn't matter really when an official classification was put in place, part of her job is to recognize classified materials and treat them accordingly. IMO, there should be almost zero emails from top-level officials at State that should be unclassified and openly disseminated. That's why they're supposed to use gov email on a secure server.

Elk,
The date 02/29/2016 is not the declass date. It is just the date it was put out on the State Dept website..

The declassification date is 02/26/ 2026

(look at the email)

H Clinton's latest statement on the emails:

https://youtu.be/6sCxgR1P9I4

from:

http://dailycaller.com/2016/03...d-information-video/

She says when emails are released to the public, it is routine for other agencies to come in and say "wait a minute, I don't think that should come out now, whether or not the State Dept agrees"

What the hell is she talking about ? We need a term that represents something beyond bullshit.

https://www.washingtonpost.com...m%3Ahomepage%2Fstory

Clinton, on her private server, wrote 104 emails the government says are classified

By Rosalind S. Helderman and Tom Hamburger March 5 at 8:00 PM 

Hillary Clinton wrote 104 emails that she sent using her private server while secretary of state that the government has since said contain classified information, according to a new Washington Post analysis of Clinton’s publicly released correspondence.

The finding is the first accounting of the Democratic presidential front-runner’s personal role in placing information now considered sensitive into insecure email during her State Department tenure. Clinton’s ­authorship of dozens of emails now considered classified could complicate her efforts to argue that she never put government secrets at risk.

In roughly three-quarters of those cases, officials have determined that material Clinton herself wrote in the body of email messages is classified. Clinton sometimes initiated the conversations but more often replied to aides or other officials with brief reactions to ongoing discussions.

The analysis also showed that the practice of using non-secure email systems to send sensitive information was widespread at the department and elsewhere in government.

Clinton’s publicly released correspondence also includes classified emails written by about 300 other people inside and outside the government, the analysis by The Post found. The senders ­included ­longtime diplomats, top administration officials and foreigners who held no U.S. security clearance.

In those cases, Clinton was typically not among the initial recipients of the classified emails, which were included in back-and-forth exchanges between lower-level diplomats and other officials and arrived in her inbox only after they were forwarded to her by a close aide.

For federal employees other than Clinton, nearly all of the sensitive email was sent using their less secure, day-to-day government accounts. Classified information is supposed to be exchanged only over a separate, more secure network.

The Post analysis is based on an examination of the 2,093 chains of Clinton’s email correspondence that the State Department decided contained classified information. The agency released 52,000 pages of Clinton’s emails as part of a court-ordered process but blocked the sensitive information from public view. The Post identified the author of each email that contained such redactions.

The analysis raises difficult questions about how the government treats sensitive information. It suggests that either material is being overclassified, as Clinton and her allies have charged, or that classified material is being handled improperly with regularity by government officials at all levels — or some combination of the two.

The analysis did not account for 22 emails that the State Department has withheld entirely from public release because they are “top secret,” the highest level of classification.

The handling of those emails has drawn particular criticism from Republican lawmakers and officials in the intelligence community, who have argued that Clinton’s use of a private server exposed some of the government’s most closely guarded secrets to hacking or other potential breaches.

The FBI is investigating the security of the server and whether Clinton or her aides mishandled classified information.

Clinton spokesman Brian Fallon said the large number of people who sent and received emails that were declared classified was a sign of “overclassification run amok, and indicates that our system for determining what ought to be classified is broken.”

Regarding Clinton’s role in writing 104 of the emails, Fallon said the classification determinations “were after-the-fact . . . for the purposes of preparing these emails for release publicly.”

“It does not mean the material was classified when it was sent or received,” he said.

Clinton has struggled to fend off the email controversy since it was revealed last year that she used the private server. Republican presidential candidates have vowed to make an issue out of her handling of classified information, with front-runner Donald Trump saying last week: “What she did is a criminal act. If she’s allowed to run, I would be very, very surprised.”

A key question facing Clinton is whether any of the emails she authored — or any of the correspondence stored on her private server — contained information that was classified at the time it was sent.

When her use of a private system was first revealed, she told reporters, “I did not email any classified material to anyone on my email.” At other points, she has said that none of the emails was “marked classified” at the time she sent or received them — a point she reiterated Friday in a CNBC interview.

But government rules require senders of classified information to properly mark it. And the inspector general for the intelligence community has said that some of Clinton’s correspondence contained classified material when it was sent — even if it was not labeled.

The State Department has sidestepped the question.

Spokesman John Kirby said only that the department’s reviewers “focused on whether information needs to be classified today — prior to documents being publicly released.” State officials have not offered an assessment of whether the information was classified when it was sent.

The discrepancy has allowed Clinton to chalk up much of the email controversy to infighting among government agencies.

The 104 classified emails ­authored by Clinton are difficult to evaluate because of the heavy redaction in the versions that have been released.

They are generally short, running sometimes only a sentence or two.

The emails often were sent in response to another State Department official whose original note has also been redacted in the publicly released version.

In nearly a quarter of the emails, the only classified redaction is the subject line.

Across all the classified emails, the language that remains visible provides only hints of the conversations.

For example, Clinton wrote an email in July 2012 to Deputy Secretary of State William Burns and other top department officials with the subject line “Agrement [sic] for Egypt.” The email includes a short paragraph that has been entirely redacted by the State Department followed by one line from Clinton: “What’s the status?”

In another instance, Clinton engaged in an exchange with top aide Jacob Sullivan on June 7, 2012, all of which has been redacted and classified as “secret,” one of a few dozen messages to receive that higher-level designation from the State Department. The only indication of the exchange’s topic is the subject line: “Khar--where we are.” Earlier that week, Pakistani Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar had requested that the United States apologize for the death of 24 Pakistani troops in a NATO airstrike.

Sullivan, a top foreign policy aide who now advises Clinton’s presidential campaign, was the most frequent author of classified emails. He wrote 215, the Post analysis found.

Sullivan did not respond to a request for comment. Fallon, the campaign spokesman, said that Sullivan generally sent Clinton more emails than others, “so there was simply more material available for government lawyers to overclassify.”

Other close aides to Clinton, including Chief of Staff Cheryl Mills and Deputy Chief of Staff Huma Abedin, also authored dozens of such notes. Top officials outside of State wrote some, too, including Clinton’s eventual successor at State, John F. Kerry, who was then a senator.

Representatives for Mills and Abedin did not respond to requests for comment. Kirby, the State spokesman, said Kerry had been “providing Secretary Clinton with information he thought would be helpful.”

But the bulk of the emails that State Department reviewers deemed classified were sent by career officials engaged in the day-to-day business of diplomacy.

Some diplomats point to the volume of classified email as evidence of systemic flaws in deciding what information is sensitive rather than an indictment of Clinton’s actions.

“If experienced diplomats and foreign service officers are doing it, the issue is more how the State Department deals with information in the modern world more than something specific about what Hillary Clinton did,” said Philip H. Gordon, who was assistant secretary of state for European and Eurasian affairs and was the author of 45 of the sensitive emails from his non-classified government account.

Kirby, the State Department spokesman, said the agency “takes the protection of sensitive information seriously and our staff are aware of the appropriate channels for transmitting classified information.”

“We stand by the redactions we have made,” he said.


Still, some diplomats who have reviewed their emails that have now been classified have expressed puzzlement. Several said in interviews that they thought the State Department’s review process relied on an overly broad interpretation of ­public-records laws that restrict release of certain information involving relations with foreign governments.

They said they never stripped classified markings from documents to send them through regular email, as Republicans have alleged occurred in Clinton’s correspondence.

Instead, they said, the emails largely reflect real-time information shared with them by foreign government officials using their own insecure email accounts or open phone lines, or in public places such as hotel lobbies where it could have been overheard.

In other emails, they said they purposely wrote in generalities. Numerous emails were labeled “Sensitive But Unclassified,” indicating those writing did not think the note was classified.

Former ambassador Dennis Ross, who has held key diplomatic posts in administrations of both parties, said that one of his exchanges now marked “secret” contained information that government officials last year allowed him to publish in a book.

The emails relate to a back-channel negotiation he opened between Israelis and Palestinians after he left the government in 2011.

“What I was doing was communicating a gist — not being very specific, but a gist. If I felt the need to be more specific, we could arrange a meeting,” Ross said.

Princeton Lyman, a State Department veteran who served under presidents of both parties and was a special envoy to Sudan when Clinton was secretary of state, said he has been surprised and a bit embarrassed to learn that emails he wrote have been classified. He said he had learned through decades of experience how to identify and transmit classified information.

“The day-to-day kind of reporting I did about what happened in negotiations did not include information I considered classified,” he said.

One former senior official who authored some of the now-classified emails referred to a “cringe factor” for officials reviewing their own emails with the benefit of time that was often not available in the middle of unfolding world crises.

The former official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, expressed disagreement with the State Department’s decision to classify the emails. Still, the official said diplomats at the time believed they were sending the material through a “closed system” in which the emails would be reviewed only by other State Department officials. They are becoming public now, the official noted, only because of Clinton’s email habits and her presidential run.

“I resent the fact that we’re in this situation — and we’re in this situation because of Hillary Clinton’s decision to use a private server,” the official said.

Security experts say Clinton’s private server added risk because it functioned beyond typical government safeguards. That would have been the case not only while she was in office but also for two years after she stepped down, when the emails remained in the server’s memory.

The State Department staffer who managed Clinton’s server has turned over security logs to law enforcement officials showing no evidence of a foreign hack, the New York Times reported Thursday.

Nevertheless, Ron Hosko, former head of the FBI’s criminal investigative division, said Clinton’s use of the server offered a one-stop-shop for a would-be hacker or U.S. adversary looking to scoop up the totality of the sensitive information she was receiving.

“Piece by piece, it’s not particularly momentous,” said Hosko, who heads a law enforcement advocacy group whose board includes prominent conservatives. “But as a foreign adversary starts to aggregate that information, it becomes more and more concerning because of the ability to show you, who are the actors? What are our intentions? What is our understanding?”


Rosalind Helderman is a political enterprise and investigations reporter for the Washington

quote:

The analysis also showed that the practice of using non-secure email systems to send sensitive information was widespread at the department and elsewhere in government.

This is no doubt true and inexcusable, we hire incompetents and they are supervised by incompetents.

It is a far different thing to send low level classified information on a State Department system than to deliberately use a private system,.

The WaPo would like us to believe that "they all did it" which is simply not true. Unfortunately anyone who had to communicate with the Secretary had to use her totally unsecure private network.

It's no wonder that State is trying their best, incidentally their best is not very good, to make this entire mess go away. Much of the State Department on the higher levels is complicit with this worthless bitch.

The Washington Post article is another MSM attempt to provide cover for Clinton. "Everybody does it"

Right. "Everybody" has Top Secret / Special Access Program material on their private home server with their own email system.

Along with another 2,000 classified documents.

It has been widely speculated that Clinton might pick Julian Castro (HUD secretary) as her VP.

Julian's twin brother is Joaquin Castro (a House of Representatives rep from Texas).

http://www.weeklystandard.com/article/2001429

Rep. Joaquin Castro, the twin brother of HUD secretary Julian Castro, claimed this morning on CNN that Hillary Clinton had been cleared by the Justice Department:

"It's been settled by the Congress," Castro said, talking nonsensically. "You know, the Congress has looked into it, the Justice Department has looked into it, and they've cleared her."

It was too much even for CNN.

https://youtu.be/9ZwmJfViiA8

quote:

"It's been settled by the Congress," Castro said, talking nonsensically. "You know, the Congress has looked into it, the Justice Department has looked into it, and they've cleared her."

It was too much even for CNN.

Should the DoJ attempt a similar white wash I expect most to the MSM will play along "Move along folks there is nothing to see here".

quote:

Originally posted by sdy:
Elk,
The date 02/29/2016 is not the declass date. It is just the date it was put out on the State Dept website..

The declassification date is 02/26/ 2026

(look at the email)

Don't understand. My comment was addressed to my understanding that every email/message within the state dept was classified, automatically, by regulation/law.

I expect if we were sitting across the table from each other, we could understand what each of us is saying in about 30 sec.

Not every State Dept email is automatically classified. In the database of 30,000 some emails that State released, "only" about 2000 were classified.

Many of the emails were released in full. (No redactions)

Example:



(sort of an interesting one)

olfuzzy posted that the "irony" email was classified on 12/31/2015 and declassified 02/29/2016. and that seemed to make her case.

I was trying to indicate that someone reviewed it and classified it on 12/31/2015, but the declassify date was 02/26/2026.

The 2026 declassify date indicates the irony email was classified when it was sent, the full email is still classified today, and won't be declassified until 2026.

The "irony" email did not make her case at all.

Sorry for any confusion.

1995 Gridiron dinner video

Hillary as Forrest Gump

https://youtu.be/68qJN9MwDfY


from:
http://www.powerlineblog.com/a.../03/hillary-gump.php

quote:

Originally posted by sdy:
"It's been settled by the Congress," Castro said, talking nonsensically. "You know, the Congress has looked into it, the Justice Department has looked into it, and they've cleared her."

It was too much even for CNN.

And yet Hewitt does as all these worthless 'conservative' talking head types do. He smiled and asked a question while making a joke out of it. Really Hewitt?

How about this for a change. Why not take such opportunity to attack, and do so viciously when people like this POS Joaquin lie through their teeth. Why not lean forward and tell Joaquin..."You're a liar sir. No such thing has occurred, and you are lying to the American people watching this show. You should be ashamed of yourself, but we both know that you're completely devoid of character and as such incapable of shame." End the segment and cut to commercial with that comment.

When I acknowledged completing my annual security refresher, I sent the Facility Security Officer a note acknowledging completion, along with the following question:

quote:

Can I forward this to hillary22@clintonmail.com

The FSO was not amused.

"We should know by May" - let's hope!

http://video.foxnews.com/v/479...hpvid1#sp=show-clips

Here is part of what Clinton said in the town hall w Fox last night.

Baier then said, “The State Department has redacted and declared 2,101 of your work emails classified, at least at the confidential level, 44 classified as secret, 22 classified as top secret.” He then read a statement from Hillary from March of 2015 that, “I did not email any classified material to anyone on my email. There is no classified material.” Before asking, “So can we say definitively that that statement’s not accurate?”

Hillary answered, “No, you can’t. Here’s what happens, the State Department has a process for determining what is or isn’t classified, if they determine it is, they mark it as classified.”

this is the lie that is at the heart of her "defense". The "State Dept" determines if it is classified and then they mark it. Don't try to understand this approach. It is complete nonsense.

Baier then asked, “What about you, when you’re typing an e-mail?” Hillary responded, “No, the State Department decides what is, and let me go a step further here, I will reiterate, because it’s a fact, nothing I sent or received was marked classified.

Now, what happens when you ask, or when you are asked to make information public, is that it’s reviewed, and different agencies come in with their opinions. As you know, just recently, Colin Powell’s emails were retroactively classified for more than 10 years ago. As he said, that was an absurdity. I could not agree more.”

After Baier said, “So, your contention now is the 2,101 emails contain information that shouldn’t be classified at any time. They shouldn’t be, now or then. You’re just saying, it’s not — it wasn’t — it shouldn’t have been classified?”

Hillary stated in response, “Well, what I’m saying is, it wasn’t at the time. Now, if you — let’s take Mary Smith, who has some information in the government, and she is FOIAd, Freedom of Information Act, give us your information, your memos, your emails, whatever it might have been. That then goes through a process. So, even though the agency she works in has said none of this is classified, others start to have a chance to weigh in.

So others might say, ‘You know, that wasn’t at the time, but now, with circumstances, we don’t want to release it, so, therefore, we have to classify it.’ I’ve asked, and I echo Colin Powell in this, release it, and once the American people see it, they will know how absurd this is. So, Colin Powell and I are exactly on the same page.”

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note the part:

Baier then asked, “What about you, when you’re typing an e-mail?”

Hillary responded, “No, the State Department decides what is,

this is beyond absurd. She was the head of State Dept

and when anyone types an email they need to determine if it classified or classified

Clinton is also using confusing language that mixes the classification issue and the 9 FOIA exemptions.

As I've asked before, has anyone asked Hillary how she DID send & receive classified materials? We know she did not have/use a .gov email account.

So, did she not have any communications involving classified topics during her tenure as SoS? If she did, how did she do it?

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Originally posted by Bigboreshooter:
As I've asked before, has anyone asked Hillary how she DID send & receive classified materials? We know she did not have/use a .gov email account.

So, did she not have any communications involving classified topics during her tenure as SoS? If she did, how did she do it?

We know the answer to that of course. She used her private server and Clinton email address which is evident in the emails that have been released.

It'd be interesting to hear her answer to such a question though.