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You mean some ex-teammates with an agenda? The Intercept is by any measure, a liberal rag that 'thinks' its the beacon of 1st Amendment piety by exposing all .gov activity; Glen Greenwald is one of it's founders after all. What many are missing, is that 1) Guys are airing their grievances, providing unit insight and 'pimping the Trident' to the public (does it matter where it's printed?) 2) Guys are not getting reined-in by their leadership nor is leadership providing any oversight, guardrails or, direction. We all agree that war is ugly and things happen, however what we're reading and have seen is a organization that operates in the shadows and darkness but back home it contradicts itself by encouraging publicity via movies, books, celebrity appearances and games. | |||
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| Oh stewardess, I speak jive.  |
A great many problems associated with fighting wars is due to attempts to impose rules on how they're fought, in direct opposition to human nature and the realities of war itself. | |||
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Hold Fast |
Not judging until Doc Steve comments. ****************************************************************************** Never shoot a large caliber man with a small caliber bullet . . . | |||
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| Doing my best to shape America's youth  |
The douche that founded fleabay finances this "news" outlet. They have admitted to having fake news written by their staff in the past. With such a provocative name as the one they took, I'm sure they are in it to provide fair, unbiased coverage... Clarior Hinc Honos BSA Dad, Cheer Dad | |||
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Semper Fi - 1775 |
Was Doc a SEAL? I'm aware he was in the Navy, but am curious as to why you hold his opinion on this topic in such high regard. <EDIT> There is NO way to write what I wrote above without it reading like I am trying to be an ass. I promise that is not my intent, just genuinely want to understand what would make him qualified to have an informed opinion on these events. <assuming he chooses to comment on the subject> ___________________________ All it takes...is all you got. ____________________________ For those who have fought for it, Freedom has a flavor the protected will never know ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ | |||
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| Knows too little about too much  |
I suspect Doc Streve has some first hand experience and can shed some light. RMD TL Davis: “The Second Amendment is special, not because it protects guns, but because its violation signals a government with the intention to oppress its people…” Remember: After the first one, the rest are free. | |||
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I read the entire article. The author obviously has an agenda and ax to grind with SOFs. You can argue the details and events in the article, but the overarching theme is that many of these SEALS crossed the line and leadership and other SEALS didn't reign them in. I'm not saying that war isn't unspeakably gruesome, but I'm wondering where things feel apart and where atrocities became the norm, not the exception. But I'm just a dude on the interwebs, my opinion is just that. I'll let the real soldiers take the lead on this one. It's above my pay grade. P229 | |||
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| Just for the hell of it  |
From what he's talked about here Doc wasn't a SEAL and has never said he was. From my understanding though he was a Navy Corpsman who spent a good portion of his Navy career working with and alongside the teams. _____________________________________ Because in the end, you won’t remember the time you spent working in the office or mowing your lawn. Climb that goddamn mountain. Jack Kerouac | |||
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| Semper Fi - 1775 |
Perfect, thank you. ___________________________ All it takes...is all you got. ____________________________ For those who have fought for it, Freedom has a flavor the protected will never know ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ | |||
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semi-reformed sailor |
I'm with the Monkey on this one. ----------------------------- As other's have mentioned...there is an ax to grind in this "report". And as someone else said, and I have to agree with him, the frogs I knew were very, very interested in keeping things quiet. In everything they did. Including the operations. "Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.” Robert A. Heinlein “You may beat me, but you will never win.” sigmonkey-2020 “A single round of buckshot to the torso almost always results in an immediate change of behavior.” Chris Baker | |||
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Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
One of my Academy shipmates was a member of SEAL team six and actually a team commander. I haven't spoken to him in over five years, but I'll see if I can forward him this article and get his opinion. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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Too clever by half |
The only people I am willing to judge are the people willing to judge them. "We have a system that increasingly taxes work, and increasingly subsidizes non-work" - Milton Friedman | |||
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| hello darkness my old friend  |
I don't care. If they had reason to kill people I don't care if they over killed them. Why, after the battle, would seal team six spend their time burying the dead? I say bullshit. | |||
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| Staring back from the abyss  |
Kicking the head of a dead enemy? He's not going to make him more dead. When dealing with these muslim animals, I don't much care how they get the job done, as long as they get it done. ________________________________________________________ "Great danger lies in the notion that we can reason with evil." Doug Patton. | |||
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Festina Lente |
I've known RADM Tim Szymanski for 36 years. He's a good man, and I'm happy he's running the SEALs. NRA Life Member - "Fear God and Dreadnaught" | |||
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| Go ahead punk, make my day |
The "quiet professional's" mantra appears to be dead. | |||
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I didn't realize he made it to DEVGRU. We truly do end up everywhere. | |||
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| Freethinker |
I’ve seen “quiet professionals” mentioned a couple of times recently, and I must chime in with my observation that that’s how members of Delta refer to themselves—and specifically in contrast to the SEALs. Even then there have been an exception or two, most notably by Thomas Greer, a.k.a. Dalton Fury, who wrote Kill Bin Laden and a few fictional (and improbable, but enjoyable) accounts of Delta operations. He claimed that although his nonfiction account of the first attempts to track down Bin Laden was vetted and approved for publication by the appropriate authorities, he was largely ostracized by his former comrades as a result. I definitely agree that the SEALs these days are anything but “quiet”—or at least there are enough exceptions to make them the most well-known “secret” operations organization ever. ► 6.4/93.6 ___________ “We are Americans …. Together we have resisted the trap of appeasement, cynicism, and isolation that gives temptation to tyrants.” — George H. W. Bush | |||
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Sigforum K9 handler |
Doc spent a dozen or so years deploying out of that command in particular. He most certainly has a lot of insight from that command, but he rarely shares anything, and certainly nothing that isn't common knowledge. | |||
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My favorite civil war commander summed it up well: "War is Hell" We trained these men to go in harms way for us and had them face a brutal, ruthless enemy. Now some want to sit in judgment of them. I cant condone the actions (if they occurred) described in the article but I wont sit in judgment of men we sent to wage war for us. And I don't give the tiniest fuck about the method and manner of how OBL died. End of Earth: 2 Miles Upper Peninsula: 4 Miles | |||
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