What an incredible relief for those held and their families. Thank you President.

Whew, this is amazingly good news. In spite of eating my own words I should have been more optimistic. Based on Trump's outstanding track record all the way around I should be more optimistic just out of respect. I hope this is a good model for future conservative presidents - aka just do it, if you wait for perfect conditions you won't get anything done. He's a master with getting stuff done, as in really very important stuff just DONE.

Hamas carries out public executions — just hours after signing peace treaty with Israel

https://nypost.com/2025/10/14/...-treaty-with-israel/

Hamas carried out mass public executions in Gaza on Monday, just hours after signing a peace treaty with Israel — as part of a series of bloody reprisals following the withdrawal of Israeli troops, gruesome video shows.

The graphic footage shows eight badly beaten, blindfolded men kneeling in the street before each is shot dead by Hamas gunmen in front of a cheering crowd.

The terror group said, without providing evidence, that the killings targeted “criminals and collaborators with Israel,” the BBC reported.

Among those killed was Ahmad Zidan al-Tarabin, reportedly responsible for recruiting agents to a rival non-Hamas-aligned militia, Israeli outlet ynet News reported.

Following the IDF’s withdrawal, Hamas has quickly looked to reassert its control over Gaza, targeting the “clans,” or family-based armed groups that had gained strength during the conflict.

The Palestinian terror group began its deadly reprisals before the peace deal was even signed.

On Sunday, 52 members of the powerful Dagmoush clan were killed in clashes with Hamas’ internal security forces, while 12 Hamas terrorists, including the son of senior official Bassem Naim, also died, according to reports in Gaza.

Hamas militants reportedly used ambulances to storm the neighborhood of the clan, whom they accused of collaboration with Israel.

“It’s a massacre. They’re dragging people away, children are screaming and dying, they’re burning our houses. What did we do wrong?” one clan member’s daughter told Ynet News.

Earlier on Monday, President Trump suggested he had given Hamas approval to manage internal security in Gaza “as it sees fit,” as part of a peace deal to return the remaining living hostages to Israel.

“They [Hamas] do want to stop the problems, and they’ve been open about it, and we gave them approval for a period of time,” he told a reporter on Air Force One.

“You have close to 2 million people going back to buildings that have been demolished, and a lot of bad things can happen. So we want it to be — we want it to be safe. I think it’s going to be fine. Who knows for sure,” he said.

Under Trump’s peace plan, Hamas was expected to disarm and surrender governance of Gaza, something the terror group has refused to do.

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Hamas carries out public executions — just hours after signing peace treaty with Israel

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Following the IDF’s withdrawal, Hamas has quickly looked to reassert its control over Gaza ...

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Under Trump’s peace plan, Hamas was expected to disarm and surrender governance of Gaza, something the terror group has refused to do.

Well? Which is which? Either the Hamas paleosimians were in fact left in charge, or they are in violation and need to be curb-stomped again. IMO, that's what should have been done in the first place.

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Under Trump’s peace plan, Hamas was expected to disarm and surrender governance of Gaza, something the terror group has refused to do.

I haven't read the documents, so I'll admit I really don't know (which is, of course, why I'm posting now)... this is what Hamas is expected to do, but does the agreement define clearly the recourse/punishment/corrective action that will take place if/when Hamas does not do what they're expected to do?

In simple terms: "Here's what you agreed to do, you didn't do it, now here's your punishment."
Does the agreement lay that out? If not, then why not? And if so, then how soon do the relevant parties begin taking swift and decisive action [again]?

^^^ The apparent contradiction could just be poor and/or unclear writing.

On a news cast today, the President said he talked to Hamas.

He told them they will disarm as agreed or we will disarm them.

I am not sure how he intends to do that, but if I was Hamas, I would not want to FAFO.

They are disarmed if they are ALL dead.

Of course they are. They will continue doing so until the IDF turns off their lights. There is no greater joy for them than to rape, kill, dismember, and murder another human being. If they couldn't do that they would be utterly lost. Their entire being is wholly wrapped up in killing anyone and everyone not like them. I think it's that simple.

They will never lay down their arms, they will never live like regular human beings under any imaginable scenario, even if they wrote the script themselves. Like a rabid animal emerging from the woods there is no cure but to put them down as swiftly as possible. If you don't want more murder, mayhem, and suffering, don't try to reform them, it's way too late for anything remotely like that. That is folly and a fantasy.

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Like a rabid animal emerging from the woods there is no cure but to put them down as swiftly as possible.

Yes, the sooner the better. Hamas has only returned eight of the bodies of deceased/murdered hostages, so they are violating the terms of the peace plan (as I understand it). You know, you absolutely know that they drag everything out, get away with as much as they think they can, until the hammer comes down; then they scream “genocide”. Kill the Hamassturds.

I just came across this tweet by Prof David Bernstein, which got a rave from Cynical Publius (ex-military officer):

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It's less important whether Hamas has really agreed to disarm and give up power than whether Egypt, Turkey, and Qatar have agreed that Hamas must disarm and give up power. Terrorist movements like Hamas facing much stronger enemies like Israel can't survive without outside support.

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Hamas has only returned eight of the bodies of deceased/murdered hostages, so they are violating the terms of the peace plan (as I understand it).

I think there is a very real possibility that Hamas does not know where every body of the deceased hostages is located, or the bodies were buried in tunnels that were destroyed by IDF bombing.

Whether they know or not, whatever they agreed to or didn't, they're terrorists. What they say vs what they do or don't do has no relation with each or the other. Screwing you and murdering you is all they care about, nothing more and nothing less, it's all they do. If you call yourself a terrorist but act in any way resembling truth or keeping your word, then you're not a terrorist and they kick you out of the club, with a golden bullet for a retirement gift.

Using normal good guy human reasoning to understand and predict the terrorist hive mind is frustrating because the arithmetic doesn't work.

The sooner the IDF finishes the job the better off everyone will be, for those who aren't terrorist at least.

I don't see how the wider "coalition" Trump is constructing with Israel's current and former state enemies will be able to do any policing or governmental functions inside Gaza, since my feeling is they are way too compromised with a long history of hatred for Israel for anything approaching that type of arrangement. There's benefit to it obviously, even though I don't understand it very well, but going in armed and acting as a well oiled military operation, that doesn't even seem possible.

So it seems the sooner the IDF goes in and finishes them off the better, aside any delays for political timing or other benefits.

U.S. Says Louisiana Man Joined Hamas-Led 2023 Attack on Israel

Looks like Biden let him in.
A person named Mahmoud Almuhtadi, living in Cairo, electronically signed a U.S. visa application on June 26, 2024

Well it's looking like Hamas is here to stay, literally, according to them, but we already knew that. I hope the Israelis will support Netanyahu and the IDF to go in full force and eliminate every last one. Hopefully without reservation. Side benefit is they won't have any prisoners to cut them loose again for future trades. And if we're lucky the bad guys they cut loose into Gaza in that horrible trade will stick around to get eliminated as well.

Regarding rebuilding Gaza, that seems like a bad idea, since all the benefits of new housing, infrastructure, and free everything, we know who the beneficiaries will be - Hamas. They always have been and always will be - at the muzzle of of gun. As it's always been.

Well, that didn't last long. Hamas just attacked Israeli soldiers. Israel has retaliated.

^^^ Aaaand here we go again. Why the fuck was Hamas left in charge of anything above picking up dog shit?

Thankfully there's no Arab Defense Force (more human shields) on the ground in Gaza preventing Israel from responding.

Israel launches strikes in Gaza after accusing Hamas of violating ceasefire

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The Israeli military accused Hamas of violating the ceasefire agreement on Sunday and conducted strikes against the militant group in southern Gaza.

The terror organization Hamas carried out multiple attacks against Israeli forces beyond the yellow line. The attacks included an RPG shot at a military force, and a sniper fire against a military force," an Israeli official said, according to Fox News.

"Both of the incidents happened in an Israeli-controlled area, east to the yellow line. This is a bold violation of the ceasefire," the official added.

Trump had previously warned Hamas that military force would follow any violations to the agreement.

Now what?

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The terror organization Hamas carried out multiple attacks against Israeli forces beyond the yellow line.

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"Both of the incidents happened in an Israeli-controlled area, east to the yellow line.

It's like a sitcom where feuding relatives paint a dividing line down the center of a room, only with AKs and RPGs.

If wiping these murder's off the face of this earth was possible Israel would of done it decades ago.
The best one can hope for is what they have been doing with our support and hopefully support from others in the region.
It is easy to say "wipe them out", but that is not realistic. The President knows that.