Check out the cover of Time Magazine lol

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Originally posted by corsair:
Harris has been on the sidelines for awhile, given all her gaffs and errors. If she makes moves for the nomination then she's officially on the crazy ship and has taken all the DEI-focused crazies in the party with her. All the identity politic figures will be backing Harris, the smarter ones of that bunch will be torn, as they know Harris is deeply flawed. This group has a sizable number of delegates to contend with.

Harris knows she can't win on her own at this point since her ratings (at least until the debate) were worse than Biden's. However, she's recently been out campaigning more, particularly being the face of Biden/Harris to some minorities/interest groups due to Biden's issues. If he's forced out somehow and someone else gets the nomination or if either the executive branch or legislative branch chooses to invoke the 25th amendment, she'll be president for a short time and then out. Therefore, she's probably praying that Joe can last until the voting ends on November 5th and can somehow pull off the Hail Mary to beat Trump so she can invoke the 25th when the time is right to take the top spot and have time to try to right her image before 2028.

Has everyone who keeps bringing up the Vice President’s “invocation” of the 25th Amendment actually read its provisions?

For it to go into effect, the VP and “a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide” must initiate the action. It’s not as if the VP can suddenly decide that the President is incapable of performing the office and decide on his (or her) own that he needs to be escorted out of the Oval Office. How much support does the current VP have among those other officials to drag them along to even start such an action?

And if the President objects, that begins a back and forth process that ultimately must be decided by a two-thirds vote of both Houses if the President is to be permanently removed from office. There’s a lot more to it than, “I’m the Vice President; you’re incapable of discharging the powers and duties of the office, so hit the road, Jack.”

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
Has everyone who keeps bringing up the Vice President’s “invocation” of the 25th Amendment actually read its provisions?

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That's why I said "either executive or legislative branch." The amendment allows for either to invoke it, but as you said, the back and forth would begin at that point when Biden and Dr. Jill resist.

Okay, where does the amendment say that the Legislative Branch may invoke the action without the Vice President’s involvement? I keep reading it and cannot find that provision.

Here is Section 4 in its entirety, and to reiterate, notice the word and following “Vice President” in the first sentence:

Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.

Is there some other “body” that Congress has provided by law that has authority to invoke the amendment without the “and” concurrence of the Vice President?

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Originally posted by braillediver:
"Team Biden" has spent a lot of money and time to finally get the Presidency. I don't think they're leaving without a fight.

Exhibit A:


I think the only way Joe's leaving early is feet first in a pine box.

It's funny, my wife and I were talking yesterday and she did not watch any of the debate, but has certainly heard about the aftermath, including Jill Biden's behavior. She jokingly remarked that Jill is one of those evil TV murder-mystery wives sticking by their corrupt husbands, and that she has a lot of keys to a lot of skeletons in closets, and wouldn't hesitate to use 'em. And that is something to think about; Jill Biden has been sitting next to Joe for all these briefings and meetings. And Joe likely told her in private a lot of bad shit that have gone on in the WH and in Joe's career, he doesn't impress me as a guy who would keep any of this a secret from his wife. She appears to be controlling, vindictive, and power-hungry. Maybe my wife has something there.

sigfreund, I read the amendment recently as a refresher since it had been a while but after a little more investigating, I believe you're correct. Although I've read a couple of reports a while back that implied the legislative branch as another option, they appeared to be based on the "other body as Congress may be law provide" but I don't think there's ever been a law passed designating Congress as the other body. Here's a good discussion of the amendment and its potential implementation.


https://constitutioncenter.org...25th-amendment-works

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Originally posted by Skins2881:
Karine Jean-Pierre slammed for claiming Biden videos are deepfakes: 'Don't believe your lying eyes!'

If it's the White House's contention that these videos are deep fakes, then I think there is only one proper action to take.
We need an immediate congressional review of the videos, confirming that they are deep fakes. We need to have each one proven as real vs fake. Really scrutinize these videos, frame by frame if necessary and do it in view of the public. If there's a deep fake conspiracy affecting the presidency of the United States then we need this exposed for the entirety of the populace to see.

Well looks like we don't need to investigate these 'Cheap Fakes'. The whole notion of anyone on the left who was still buying the WH and MSM bullshit now has 90 minutes of unedited, undoctored, and uncropped evidence. Which one are the liars? Will KJP be resigning?

Trump campaign demands apology from Biden after 'ridiculous' cheap fake narrative

Meanwhile over at Reddit…those leftwing communists are going through the 5 stages of grief after that trainwreck of a debate:

denial
anger
bargaining
depression
acceptance

They’re all somewhere between bargaining and depression now.

Not sure if they will ever reach the fifth stage to be honest, LOL

I hope they stick with the guy.

I have never thought he would be their candidate. And I still don't. Of course I could be wrong.

While this week was a significant victory. There will be many twists and turns leading up to fall.

I also do not trust the vast majority of repubs. Like their counter parts that lay in wait to stab anyone in the back that will try to undo their doings.

It is going to be interesting or maybe a shitshow. Your guess is as good as mine.

Stay salty my friends.

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
I hope they stick with the guy.

Did you read the tweet? They don't have a choice.

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There will be many twists and turns leading up to fall.

The fall, Nov 5 AND the fall...of the dem party.

Just in case you were unclear where the leadership of Amazon is on this issue...

On a whim I asked our house Alexa unit "Alexa, does Joe Biden have dementia?"

The unit just gave a failure tone (duh-dun) and didn't reply. Note that this is completely different from what she said to my next question:

"Alexa, is Joe Biden senile?" She said "I don't have an answer to that."

As a former IT guy, I would have expected the second answer for BOTH questions. But someone at Amazon has literally coded Alexa to NOT RESPOND to the dementia question.

I thought that was interesting. Not surprising, mind you. But interesting.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
I hope they stick with the guy.

Did you read the tweet? They don't have a choice.

Of course they have a choice. They can choose not to apply pressure on him.

This evening, more than one media source is reporting that Biden is heading to Camp David for the purpose of discussing with family his continuing with his campaign.

Family, and his ego, have a big influence on him, more than the Dem big wigs.

It would be best for him resign the presidency, and then let Kamala finish off his term, so she could, in theory, run for two more. But if he says he's not going to campaign anymore and will not accept the nomination, Kamala is fucked because she's tied in with him.

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Kamala is fucked because she's tied in with him.

Familiar territory, I'd guess.

They are doing all they can to keep him propped up...

At 6pm Eastern Standard time last night, the Editorial Board of the New York Times launched a journalistic SCUD missile at the Democrat’s presumptive nominee, eloquently headlined “To Serve His Country, President Biden Should Leave the Race.” It began with the hysterical, hand-wringing claim that Democracy will Die if Trump gets re-elected. Since no weapon is off the table in the mission to “save Democracy” (for future drag queens), the Times’ Editors did the unthinkable and previously unforgivable: they called Democrat Resident Joe Biden unqualified for office:
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If it weren’t for double standards, they’d have no standards, and so the editors also had it both ways. No matter what, they still ain’t voting for the Orange Man. “If the race comes down to a choice between Mr. Trump and Mr. Biden,” the Editors two-facedly gassed, “the sitting president would be this board’s unequivocal pick.” They darkly warned NYT readers, “That is how much of a danger Mr. Trump poses.” It’s even worse than the terrifying risk of carbon monoxide detectors running out of batteries in the middle of the night.

The Times’ vow to vote Biden but hopefully not Biden describes the sort of profound spiritual crisis now facing the Democrat party. It’s Democrats because they were the only folks surprised by what happened Thursday night. Compliantly gaslit by media, they had believed Biden was “at the top of his game” and “sharper than anybody,” capable of eating mint chip ice cream and performing complex quantum mechanical calculations at the same time. Now they aren’t even sure he can eat the ice cream by himself.

Democrat certainty in Biden’s mental qualifications was only possible through ceaseless cognitive dissonance. But not everyone bought the media’s “cheap fake” lies. If anything, after Thursday’s debate debacle, Republicans felt vindicated.

Amidst all yesterday’s hot takes, wild speculation, conspiracy theories, and a full spectrum of terrible opinions, one truth emerged: the denial phase is over. The Democrats can no longer pretend their octogenarian candidate is anything other than, as the Times put it, only a flickering shadow of a public servant.

In other words, yesterday, the country experienced a political earthquake of 9.0 on the Richter Scale, and the national conversation surged over the cliff of willing disbelief and headed straight down into Surreality Canyon.

To say the awful reality of Biden’s diminished capacity shattered Democrat world views too-narrowly skates over the even more profound implications. For just one example, everyone just found out, beyond any legitimate argument, that the White House and the entire media have been covering for Biden, lying in other words, about the single most important fact about the single most important decision facing the entire world: can Biden put on his pants one leg at a time like everyone else?

Beyond the confirmed disclosure of coordinated media dishonesty, there are a thousand thousand more implications, all exploding from the debate in slow motion like shards of shattered glass.

The debate over replacing Biden is a red herring. It is not at all clear that a Biden switcheroo is possible. He’s not like a blown fuse. Well. Maybe he is like a blown fuse, but not in the sense he can be just switched out with the spare from the bottom of the fuse panel. First of all, yesterday Biden doubled down, and said sorry, he’s not going anywhere. In other words, Biden and his handlers responded to calls for his resignation with an offended, “over Joe’s dead body:”

https://x.com/JoeBiden/status/1806746426904379543



The Democrats also face some intractable legal quandaries. Biden has already been “democratically” elected as the party’s nominee in every state. Changing him out would, by definition, violate the will of the voters, not to mention fifty different state ballot-qualifying laws. Nor under federal campaign finance laws could the Biden campaign just stroke a check to transfer their financial war chest to a new campaign. So it’s no secret that any replacement candidate would instantly be mired in pesky Republican lawsuits.

Days before the debate, for instance, the UK Daily Mail ran a story headlined, “How conservatives could make it very hard for Democrats to replace Biden on the 2024 ballot if he has a disastrous debate or steps aside.”

Nor do Democrats have a clear replacement. The Democratic bench is thin. There are many possibilities, but no obvious front-runner. To replace Biden, they must endure a painfully accelerated period of compressed primary campaigning, focus group testing, and market research. The Democrats face a difficult, divided base: Should a new candidate support or oppose Israel? And don’t forget Biden loyalists, who will be racing around behind the scenes trying to sabotage and undermine the process at every step.

At his own rally yesterday, Trump said he doesn’t think they’ll replace Biden, because Biden out-polls all the possible alternatives. President Trump —who has better polling data than anyone except the Biden campaign— remarked, “It’s hard to believe, but crooked Joe Biden polls better than any of those people.”

If it doesn’t end the discussion, note that former President Obama —and thus his entire political apparatus— supports Joe. It was just a bad debate night:
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My opinion, worth no more than anyone else’s, is that the current public controversy over Biden’s nomination is just another narrative shell game. The debate about needs to happen to ease Democrat voters into Biden’s therapeutic hot tub. And that debate needs to happen quickly. The goal, as the Times Editors promised, is for Democrat voters to vote for Joe Biden anyway, purely to block Trump, even if the nation dissolves into a dementia-addled nightmare and World War III.

It’s the ultimate protest vote. All or nothing.

I remarked yesterday that the fallout includes harder questions soon emerging. It didn’t take long. Yesterday, historian and scholar Victor Davis Hanson asked whether Biden’s fragility will fuel our enemies to act quickly and take advantage:

Similarly, the New York Times ran an article originally headlined, “U.S. Allies Watch the Debate With Shaking Heads and a Question: What Now?” Same as the rest of us.

The article’s sub-headline noted, “Across Asia and Europe, the debate stoked concerns about American stability, both domestically and on crucial foreign policy issues like Washington’s commitment to alliances.” In other words, can our allies trust a president who’s likely to forget they even exist? What you really don’t want is being four months out and experts invoking “terminal decline:”

Famed independent journalist Seymour Hersh called up his many Democrat contacts, who seemed just as confused about what to do as everyone else. Hersh ended his Substack yesterday wondering: who is really running things at the White House? Since it’s obviously not Biden. And he ended by invoking the same 25th Amendment question I predicted yesterday:

Whatever happened to the 25th Amendment that authorizes the vice president and a majority of the Cabinet to declare the president incompetent? What is going on in the Biden White House?
https://seymourhersh.substack....-running-the-country

To wrap up this segment, electing a creaky 82-year-old president would be another historical breakthrough as well as an apt metaphor for “terminal decline.” Compare that awful possibility with previous presidential ages: Teddy Roosevelt, 42; John F. Kennedy, 43; Bill Clinton, 46; Ulysses S. Grant, 46; Barack Hussein Obama, 47; and George W. Bush, 54.

So.

As I said, we’re off the map and GPS is on the fritz. I’m not even going to try predicting what happens next.

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com...ack&utm_medium=email

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Originally posted by oddball:

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Originally posted by braillediver:
"Team Biden" has spent a lot of money and time to finally get the Presidency. I don't think they're leaving without a fight.

Exhibit A:


I think the only way Joe's leaving early is feet first in a pine box.

It's funny, my wife and I were talking yesterday and she did not watch any of the debate, but has certainly heard about the aftermath, including Jill Biden's behavior. She jokingly remarked that Jill is one of those evil TV murder-mystery wives sticking by their corrupt husbands, and that she has a lot of keys to a lot of skeletons in closets, and wouldn't hesitate to use 'em. And that is something to think about; Jill Biden has been sitting next to Joe for all these briefings and meetings. And Joe likely told her in private a lot of bad shit that have gone on in the WH and in Joe's career, he doesn't impress me as a guy who would keep any of this a secret from his wife. She appears to be controlling, vindictive, and power-hungry. Maybe my wife has something there.

Oddball, I think you nailed it on all counts. Jill Biden is right in the middle of things and probably has more influence than the past six First Ladies put together.