It sure is entertaining to watch the dems realize the bed they made for themselves. This is what happens when info sources you trust lie to you. Your reality isn’t. The trouble with truth and true reality is they are protuberant. It’s a pesky problem when you prefer fantasy and falsehoods. How many of the population believed it when they were told Biden was secretly vigorous and the best himself ever only to have reality slap them with a white glove? Now is appears to late for an effective correction and since Trump is satan, they’re proper phukt. It’s a beautiful thing to see liars frustrated by undeniable truth.

Biden's inner circle has the most to lose and are probably the ones holding on and encouraging him.
If they can ID a viable candidate they will start negotiating a place for themselves in exchange for pushing him off the cliff.

Jill will never do that as there's only one Presidential spouse and she won't be it.

Ditto for "Border Tzar" Kamala Harris. There's no place for her at the new table since she doesn't bring any real support with her and anything but the top slit would be a step down.

Look for signs that's happening, the rats leaving the ship, and that will be a good sign they're about to make a change.

Their biggest challenge right now is finding that viable candidate. That's how they got Joe in the first place.

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Originally posted by Pipe Smoker:
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He can pardon him anytime he wants, even before the convictions.

I doubt that such a pardon would be upheld by the courts. Can you cite a precedent for an effective presidential pardon of that nature?

Like already said, Nixon. But he's not the only one:

https://www.justice.gov/pardon...ntly-asked-questions

Can the President pardon someone before they are indicted, convicted, or sentenced for a federal offense against the United States?

It would be highly unusual, but there have been a few cases where people who had not been charged with a crime were pardoned, including President Gerald Ford's pardon of President Richard Nixon after Watergate, President Jimmy Carter's pardon of Vietnam draft dodgers and President George H.W. Bush's pardon of Caspar Weinberger. President Donald J. Trump pardoned Joseph Arpaio and others after they were charged and convicted, but prior to sentencing

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Originally posted by 220-9er:
Biden's inner circle has the most to lose and are probably the ones holding on and encouraging him.
If they can ID a viable candidate they will start negotiating a place for themselves in exchange for pushing him off the cliff.

Jill will never do that as there's only one Presidential spouse and she won't be it.

Ditto for "Border Tzar" Kamala Harris. There's no place for her at the new table since she doesn't bring any real support with her and anything but the top slit would be a step down.

Look for signs that's happening, the rats leaving the ship, and that will be a good sign they're about to make a change.

Their biggest challenge right now is finding that viable candidate. That's how they got Joe in the first place.

“Top slit” ….Freudian?

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Originally posted by 220-9er:
Biden's inner circle has the most to lose and are probably the ones holding on and encouraging him.
If they can ID a viable candidate they will start negotiating a place for themselves in exchange for pushing him off the cliff.

Jill will never do that as there's only one Presidential spouse and she won't be it.

Jill has the ear of the chief of staff Jeff Zients and they control access to Joe. They're calling the shots and they have the personal (Steve Ricchetti, Anita Dunn, Mike Donilon, Jen O’Malley Dillon, Bruce Reed and Louisa Terrell) to effect their direction. Makes one wonder how former WHCOS Ron Klein's departure was handled and the reasons for it.

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Ditto for "Border Tzar" Kamala Harris. There's no place for her at the new table since she doesn't bring any real support with her and anything but the top slit would be a step down.

Harris has been on the sidelines for awhile, given all her gaffs and errors. If she makes moves for the nomination then she's officially on the crazy ship and has taken all the DEI-focused crazies in the party with her. All the identity politic figures will be backing Harris, the smarter ones of that bunch will be torn, as they know Harris is deeply flawed. This group has a sizable number of delegates to contend with.

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Look for signs that's happening, the rats leaving the ship, and that will be a good sign they're about to make a change.

Their biggest challenge right now is finding that viable candidate. That's how they got Joe in the first place.

The Dems are splitting into its normal factions, as the debate backfired in every possible was against Biden. The 1968 Dem convention may see a repeat of itself with open fights and Jerry Springer-level sparing amongst delegates...meanwhile the world watches.

Check out the cover of Time Magazine lol

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Originally posted by corsair:
Harris has been on the sidelines for awhile, given all her gaffs and errors. If she makes moves for the nomination then she's officially on the crazy ship and has taken all the DEI-focused crazies in the party with her. All the identity politic figures will be backing Harris, the smarter ones of that bunch will be torn, as they know Harris is deeply flawed. This group has a sizable number of delegates to contend with.

Harris knows she can't win on her own at this point since her ratings (at least until the debate) were worse than Biden's. However, she's recently been out campaigning more, particularly being the face of Biden/Harris to some minorities/interest groups due to Biden's issues. If he's forced out somehow and someone else gets the nomination or if either the executive branch or legislative branch chooses to invoke the 25th amendment, she'll be president for a short time and then out. Therefore, she's probably praying that Joe can last until the voting ends on November 5th and can somehow pull off the Hail Mary to beat Trump so she can invoke the 25th when the time is right to take the top spot and have time to try to right her image before 2028.

Has everyone who keeps bringing up the Vice President’s “invocation” of the 25th Amendment actually read its provisions?

For it to go into effect, the VP and “a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide” must initiate the action. It’s not as if the VP can suddenly decide that the President is incapable of performing the office and decide on his (or her) own that he needs to be escorted out of the Oval Office. How much support does the current VP have among those other officials to drag them along to even start such an action?

And if the President objects, that begins a back and forth process that ultimately must be decided by a two-thirds vote of both Houses if the President is to be permanently removed from office. There’s a lot more to it than, “I’m the Vice President; you’re incapable of discharging the powers and duties of the office, so hit the road, Jack.”

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
Has everyone who keeps bringing up the Vice President’s “invocation” of the 25th Amendment actually read its provisions?

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That's why I said "either executive or legislative branch." The amendment allows for either to invoke it, but as you said, the back and forth would begin at that point when Biden and Dr. Jill resist.

Okay, where does the amendment say that the Legislative Branch may invoke the action without the Vice President’s involvement? I keep reading it and cannot find that provision.

Here is Section 4 in its entirety, and to reiterate, notice the word and following “Vice President” in the first sentence:

Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.

Is there some other “body” that Congress has provided by law that has authority to invoke the amendment without the “and” concurrence of the Vice President?

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Originally posted by braillediver:
"Team Biden" has spent a lot of money and time to finally get the Presidency. I don't think they're leaving without a fight.

Exhibit A:


I think the only way Joe's leaving early is feet first in a pine box.

It's funny, my wife and I were talking yesterday and she did not watch any of the debate, but has certainly heard about the aftermath, including Jill Biden's behavior. She jokingly remarked that Jill is one of those evil TV murder-mystery wives sticking by their corrupt husbands, and that she has a lot of keys to a lot of skeletons in closets, and wouldn't hesitate to use 'em. And that is something to think about; Jill Biden has been sitting next to Joe for all these briefings and meetings. And Joe likely told her in private a lot of bad shit that have gone on in the WH and in Joe's career, he doesn't impress me as a guy who would keep any of this a secret from his wife. She appears to be controlling, vindictive, and power-hungry. Maybe my wife has something there.

sigfreund, I read the amendment recently as a refresher since it had been a while but after a little more investigating, I believe you're correct. Although I've read a couple of reports a while back that implied the legislative branch as another option, they appeared to be based on the "other body as Congress may be law provide" but I don't think there's ever been a law passed designating Congress as the other body. Here's a good discussion of the amendment and its potential implementation.


https://constitutioncenter.org...25th-amendment-works

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Karine Jean-Pierre slammed for claiming Biden videos are deepfakes: 'Don't believe your lying eyes!'

If it's the White House's contention that these videos are deep fakes, then I think there is only one proper action to take.
We need an immediate congressional review of the videos, confirming that they are deep fakes. We need to have each one proven as real vs fake. Really scrutinize these videos, frame by frame if necessary and do it in view of the public. If there's a deep fake conspiracy affecting the presidency of the United States then we need this exposed for the entirety of the populace to see.

Well looks like we don't need to investigate these 'Cheap Fakes'. The whole notion of anyone on the left who was still buying the WH and MSM bullshit now has 90 minutes of unedited, undoctored, and uncropped evidence. Which one are the liars? Will KJP be resigning?

Trump campaign demands apology from Biden after 'ridiculous' cheap fake narrative

Meanwhile over at Reddit…those leftwing communists are going through the 5 stages of grief after that trainwreck of a debate:

denial
anger
bargaining
depression
acceptance

They’re all somewhere between bargaining and depression now.

Not sure if they will ever reach the fifth stage to be honest, LOL

I hope they stick with the guy.

I have never thought he would be their candidate. And I still don't. Of course I could be wrong.

While this week was a significant victory. There will be many twists and turns leading up to fall.

I also do not trust the vast majority of repubs. Like their counter parts that lay in wait to stab anyone in the back that will try to undo their doings.

It is going to be interesting or maybe a shitshow. Your guess is as good as mine.

Stay salty my friends.

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
I hope they stick with the guy.

Did you read the tweet? They don't have a choice.

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There will be many twists and turns leading up to fall.

The fall, Nov 5 AND the fall...of the dem party.