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One day until we are one year out from the 2024 Presidential Election.

I honestly don't think Joe Biden will be on the ticket. Maybe the "October Surprise" will be him dropping out in August or so of 2024. Maybe sooner the way things are going.


 
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In a breathtaking story much more remarkable for where it was published than what it said, although that was pretty remarkable too, Politico ran a high-profile “Special Report” this weekend headlined, “Fresh revelations contradict Joe Biden’s sweeping denials on Hunter. Uh-oh! Not only that, but Politico’s “Special Report” about Biden’s lies published yesterday, Sunday, November 5th, 2023 — precisely one year to the day before next year’s Presidential election.

The sub-headline jammed the assassin’s dagger even deeper into Biden’s waning political fortunes: “The president hasn’t been shown to have committed wrongdoing, but a POLITICO review of recent developments casts doubts on several statements.”
https://www.politico.com/news/...s-testimony-00125056

The story was a big deal for Politico — a rare, ranging, long-form, magazine-style piece including dramatic non-stock photos, infographics, and custom artwork. Politico took its time recapping all the fundamentals of the Biden corruption story, slowly and carefully walking its audience through the unfamiliar details, and even slipping in a few brand-new arguments of its own.

Politico was not saying Joe Biden is corrupt. It was just saying.

The story’s first target was one of the best-documented of Joe’s lies, the one about not being involved in Hunter business deals. Politico began with a now-infamous April 2015 dinner meeting between Hunter’s group and some shady Ukrainian oligarchs. House Republicans found an email on Hunter’s laptop from one of the thuggish ‘executives’ who attended the dinner politely thanking Hunter “for introducing me to your father.”

It’s embarrassing that oligarchical Ukrainian thugs are more polite and use better-formed English than the chief executive’s own children. Hunter usually emails in all-caps and normally forgets to use punctuation. But I digress.

Anyway, Biden has consistently and vehemently denied attending any of Hunter’s business meetings. He’s protested that point a LOT. But his denials are usually cuddled in complicated locutions, liberally sprinkled with lawyer weasel words and conditional qualifications. So in October 2021, key White House ally Politico emailed its insider source and directly posed the question: was Biden there at the Cafe Milano dinner or not? Even if just informally?

POLITICO: “Does this rule out any informal encounter with Pozharskyi in April 2015?”

WHITE HOUSE: “Yes.”

Politico said it was revealing that now-obvious lie for the first time. Two years later. Shoring up the point, Politico then described Devon Archer’s testimony to Congress, where Devon swore under oath that Joe Biden did in fact chow down personally, himself, in the flesh, with the oligarchs that night at Cafe Milano, and Devon provided plenty of supporting background detail.

In other words, Politico volunteered its own internal, behind-the-scenes communications to help pile on the narrative that Biden and his whole crooked White House team are liars.

That seems pretty remarkable.

Politico’s extended-form article seemed like a solid reply to hapless, low-information democrat voters relying on Biden’s current stupid excuse, yeah, yeah, but they never proved Joe did anything wrong and Hunter’s not running for president.

Read these four sentences from the story and you’ll see what I mean:

The explicit White House denial of even an informal encounter, reported here for the first time, was not the only time that statements made by Biden and his camp about Hunter Biden’s dealings have been contradicted by others. Joe Biden and his representatives have repeatedly defended him from criticism related to his relatives, his son in particular, by issuing blanket denials of misconduct and disclaiming contact with their business affairs.
But, in recent months, as congressional Republicans have opened an impeachment inquiry and controversies related to Hunter Biden continue to be litigated in the courts and in the public square, a steady trickle of revelations have contradicted the president’s denials. A POLITICO review of recent congressional testimony and exhibits, along with court filings and media reports, casts doubt on several statements made by Biden and his representatives.

That right there is a meticulously-careful way of saying Joe lied about not doing anything wrong. The article briefly receded from this high accusatory point, back down into the “no evidence” briar patch, suggesting nobody’s claimed Joe Biden ever “took official action” to help his relatives’ “businesses.”

Later, the article reversed itself, and give several examples of exactly such evidence, although labeled as “uncorroborated” and other words like that, to help the red pills go down easier. Here was Politico’s first example of direct evidence of Biden corruption:

The (FBI’s) informant claimed that Burisma’s owner said privately that he was pressured by Joe and Hunter Biden into bribing them for help resolving Burisma’s legal issues, including Shokin’s firing. The informant first mentioned Hunter Biden’s role with Burisma in a 2017 conversation with the FBI, according to an agency form recording his allegations, which was obtained by congressional Republicans and made public in July. The bureau re-interviewed the informant, whose identity remains secret, in 2020, after the Trump Justice Department began scrutinizing claims about Shokin’s ouster.

Next, Politico shockingly but accurately recited the whole disgraceful timeline of drug-addled Hunter’s abandoned Macbook, and the FBI’s and the intelligence community’s subsequent outrageous lies about it being “Russian disinformation.” Then Politico informed its probably-astounded readers that it (Politico), The New York Times, and The Washington Post — the core corporate media team — had each independently verified thousands of Hunter emails from the so-called “fabricated” laptop.

Without drawing attention to the fact’s significance, Politico also deliberately referred to Hunter’s lawsuit against the Mac Shop’s owner for “violation of privacy.” The lawsuit itself confirms the laptop’s authenticity. Obviously, Hunter wouldn’t sue over a fake laptop with fake emails on it. Not for “violation of privacy,” anyway.

Next up was Tony Bobulinski, another long-overlooked former Hunter business partner (overlooked by Establishment Media). In what constitutes even more “evidence” — at least by any legal definition of the word “evidence” — Bobulinski testified under oath and to the FBI that he personally had discussed Hunter’s Chinese business ventures with Joe Biden. For its readers’ benefit, Politico carefully noted that Bobulinski has always made political donations to democrats.

But that wasn’t the only way Politico shored up Bobolinski’s testimony. It fastidiously pointed out that Bobulinski has never been arrested for lying to the FBI:

In September, House Republicans released an FBI summary of an interview agents conducted with Bobulinski in the fall of 2020, showing that Bobulinski told investigators the same basic story: that he had discussed the China venture with Joe Biden. The summary gives extra heft to Boublinski’s public claims because lying to the FBI in order to influence an investigation can lead to criminal charges.

Well my goodness. At this point in the article, democrat readers with any remaining capacity for independent thought must have been wondering, what exactly is the standard for “no evidence”?

This is just the tip of the story’s corruption iceberg. The story goes on and on. It was a methodical tour de force of Biden family corruption, and completely reversed the normal course, taking the opposite approach from what Establishment Media has always taken to these facts. Normally, Establishment Media assiduously undermined witnesses like Devon Archer, Tony Bobulinski, and the unidentified FBI informants.

But in this article, Politico painstakingly boosted the anti-Biden witnesses’ credibility.

Conservative media is mainly designed to provide its readers with information. But liberal media is designed to give its readers permission to think certain thoughts. It’s not so much that the Politico article was informing democrats about certain uncomfortable Biden facts for the first time, although that is certainly true.

The article was more significant because it signaled to democrats that now acceptable to talk about Biden lying and about his being mixed up with all these sketchy characters.

If this Politico article wasn’t an outright hit piece aimed squarely at Joe’s key demographic, it was at least a barely-concealed political torpedo jetting directly towards the S.S. Bob Peters’ exposed port side. Friendly fire!

Do you think it was coincidental this carefully-written article published exactly one year before the election?

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com...ay-november-6-2023-c



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
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There is a lot of strategy involved in timing one's announcement of candidacy. For now it would be smart for a Dem to not announce, leaving Joe to take all the heat. I can't imagine Joe will be the candidate, and the Dem selection process allows them to nominate whomever the power brokers want rather than by primary votes.

We can guess that some of the Dems trying to get national exposure are doing so ahead of trying to get the nomination at the Dem convention next summer.
 
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Missouri Democrats have decided not to engage in the caucus method, and instead use mail in ballots.

If you're a registered voter in Missouri, I suspect you can participate in letting them know who you'd prefer as the Democrat Presidential Candidate. Wink


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We can guess that some of the Dems trying to get national exposure are doing so ahead of trying to get the nomination at the Dem convention next summer.

Yep. Chicago. August 19 to 22.
If that's the case, they are planning a blitzkrieg 2 month campaign.



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
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IRS Targets Conservative Group Exposing the Biden Admin

https://www.dailysignal.com/20...xposing-biden-admin/

The Internal Revenue Service has moved to audit a conservative group that has exposed the radicalism of some of President Joe Biden’s nominees to senior administrative posts, and in so doing, led him to withdraw their candidacies.

The American Accountability Foundation has exposed numerous Biden nominees, and it published emails showing that Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse, D-R.I., had encouraged the IRS to target conservative organizations, including AAF, for extra scrutiny and investigation.

“Senator Whitehouse has repeatedly called for the IRS to investigate AAF—by name,” AAF President Tom Jones told The Daily Signal in an emailed statement Monday. “Attacking groups like ours has been a priority for Senator Whitehouse and it appears the Biden admin has heeded his calls.”

“We’re auditing your organization’s Form 990 for the tax year ended December 31, 2021,” an IRS revenue agent wrote in a Sept. 14 letter to AAF. The organization provided a copy of the letter to The Daily Signal.

The IRS insisted it does not launch audits for partisan reasons. A spokesman said he could not confirm the audit.

“Under the federal tax law, federal employees can neither confirm nor deny that a particular organization is or is not being audited,” IRS spokesman Anthony Burke told The Daily Signal in a phone interview Monday. “We’re precluded from disclosing tax return information.”

Burke directed The Daily Signal to IRS Publication 556, which explains the examination of returns.

“AAF is being attacked because it is successful,” Jones said. He mentioned a few of the Biden nominees AAF criticized whose nominations Biden later revoked.

When Biden nominated David Chipman to lead the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, Jones unearthed allegations that Chipman, who had served as a special agent at ATF until 2012, had remarked that “African American agents … must have been cheating” because they passed an exam. Biden withdrew Chipman’s nomination after AAF revealed the alleged comments.

When Biden nominated Gigi Sohn to join the Federal Communications Commission, AAF purchased billboards and ran newspaper and digital ads opposing her nomination. AAF highlighted the Fraternal Order of Police’s opposition to Sohn, which noted her statements indicating “serious animus towards law enforcement officers.” Sohn withdrew her nomination following the scrutiny.

AAF also warned that Saule Omarova, then a nominee for comptroller of the currency, had apparently joined a self-declared Marxist group on Facebook in 2019. Biden also withdrew her nomination.

“Whether it is Gigi Sohn at the FCC, David Chipman at the ATF, Saule Omarova as Biden’s bank czar, there are numerous people who have been exposed because of AAF’s work,” Jones told The Daily Signal. “Apparently, the administration has decided they want to stop that by weaponizing the IRS against us.”

In 2010, conservative groups reported waiting longer than usual to receive verification for tax-exempt status from the IRS. Groups claimed the IRS had targeted them for their political and ideological stances, but the Obama administration denied any ideological discrimination. In October 2017, the Department of Justice settled two cases in the IRS targeting scandal. In a class-action lawsuit involving 428 conservative plaintiffs, the IRS agreed to pay $3.5 million.


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One day until we are one year out from the 2024 Presidential Election.

I honestly don't think Joe Biden will be on the ticket. Maybe the "October Surprise" will be him dropping out in August or so of 2024. Maybe sooner the way things are going.


^^^ This
Leaving Joe to take all the heat, as well as the targeted attacks means whomever the Left chooses gets a free pass up until they make the switch. This would leave very little time for real debate. We conservatives should stick to real policy differences and not allow the focus to be Crooked Joe.


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IRS Targets Conservative Group Exposing the Biden Admin



More proof that Obama (IMO) is one of Dementia Joe's puppet string pullers

This has his greasy little fingerprints all over it, recall Lois Lerner and the whole IRS going after the Tea Party and other conservative groups?


 
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IRS Targets Conservative Group Exposing the Biden Admin



More proof that Obama (IMO) is one of Dementia Joe's puppet string pullers

This has his greasy little fingerprints all over it, recall Lois Lerner and the whole IRS going after the Tea Party and other conservative groups?


Yeah, it isn't smoking gun proof, but damn.
 
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Barry wanted to be a puppet master.



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Looks like he got his wish.


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House Oversight Committee Chair James Comer (R-KY) on Wednesday subpoenaed Hunter and James Biden, along with family associate Rob Walker , to testify under oath on December 13, 2023, at 9:30 a.m. ET.

The subpoenas represent the next step in the House impeachment inquiry into President Joe Biden. Comer issued subpoenas for James and Hunter Biden’s bank records in September. The Bidens complied with Comer’s subpoenas.

“The House Oversight Committee has followed the money and built a record of evidence revealing how Joe Biden knew, was involved, and benefited from his family’s influence peddling schemes,” Comer said in a statement obtained by Breitbart News.

“Now, the House Oversight Committee is going to bring in members of the Biden family and their associates to question them on this record of evidence,” he continued.

“Unlike the many lies President Biden told the American people about his family’s business schemes, bank records don’t lie,” he added. “These records reveal how the Bidens sold Joe Biden around to the world to benefit the Biden family, including Joe Biden himself, to the detriment of U.S. interests.”

Along with Hunter and James Biden, Comer demanded Walker appear before the committee after he refused to appear earlier this year.

Walker described himself as someone who “generally [has] been acting as a surrogate for H[unter] around the country and abroad pursuing opportunities.”

Comer wants to question Walker about his receipt of a $3 million payment, which in turn was split between four Biden family members — Hunter, James, Hallie, and an unidentified “Biden.”

The family members received $1.3 million collectively from the $3 million payment.
 
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The dem strategy seems to be:

Continue to taint Trump as criminal, un-presidential, appoints anti-abortion judges.

Let the Republicans obsess with Biden and his corruption.

Have a back-up in place (Newsome, Michelle, etc) to bring in late, to offer a "refreshing alternative" to both Trump and Biden who are toxic.


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House Oversight Committee Chair James Comer (R-KY) on Wednesday subpoenaed Hunter and James Biden, along with family associate Rob Walker , to testify under oath on December 13, 2023, at 9:30 a.m. ET.
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Question for the hive: will the subpoena be honored?



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IRS Targets Conservative Group Exposing the Biden Admin

The weaponization of government continues...

Send out a tweet in 2016, and the FBI arrests you in 2021, right after Biden takes office:

https://twitter.com/TuckerCarl.../1722752303843700828




"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
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OVER HERE, GRANDPA!! NO, OVER HERE!!

https://twitter.com/RNCResearc...just-so-embarrassing

 
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I'm sick of this crap from FJB yet I can't get enough. Eek




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The Biden-Du Pont Nexus: From A Prestigious Golf Club To A Controversial Child Rape Plea Deal

https://www.zerohedge.com/poli...child-rape-plea-deal

As the MSM turns on President Joe Biden heading into the 2024 election, the Washington Post had an interesting piece on Thursday exploring a little-known connection between the Bidens and the du Pont family, which revolves around a 2001 case in which then-Sen. Joe Biden (D-DE) was voted in as a prominent new member of a prestigious Golf Club, in Wilmington, Delaware, founded by a du Pont heiress.

That year, Biden, known for his "Middle-Class Joe" image and modest financial status, joined the exclusive Fieldstone Golf Club, a symbol of prestige and power. This move painted a contrasting picture: a politician aligned with working-class values, yet rubbing shoulders with the state's most affluent family, renowned for their chemical company empire.

At the time, Biden walked a delicate line. On one hand, he campaigned as an Amtrak-riding “Middle-Class Joe” striving to make ends meet, and accurately described himself as “one of the poorest members of Congress” — reporting $221,000 in combined income with his wife that year and $360 in charitable contributions. -WaPo

Biden's connection to the du Ponts extended beyond social interactions. His staffing choices, political allies, and personal real estate investments all reflected a deep integration with this influential family. His acquisition of a mansion built by a du Pont member further underscores this relationship.

Yet, Biden's entry into the Fieldstone Golf Club raised eyebrows and led to a brief FBI investigation in 2007. The inquiry centered on how Biden obtained his club membership, especially as it involved an "unused" ticket from a company owned by the club's founder, potentially bypassing a substantial partnership fee. The FBI's probe, which included photographing Biden's personal locker at the club, eventually closed without any allegations of wrongdoing. It's unknown whether Biden was ever informed about the FBI investigation.

In response to an inquiry, the White House told the Post: "These bizarre suggestions from more than 20 years ago are confusing given the fact that the Post is reporting that President Biden was fully responsible for membership dues at the golf club and all out-of-pocket costs associated with it. Frankly, the Post’s own reporting suggests this supposed matter was closed 15 years ago with no finding of wrongdoing. If you want to dig deep on who’s funding a president’s golf habits, we might have some suggestions."

Yet, this story reveals the delicate balance Biden navigated between his public identity as a relatable politician and his private interactions with Delaware's elite. While maintaining his image as a defender of middle-class interests, Biden also sought inclusion in the state's upper echelons, epitomized by his association with the du Ponts and his membership at Fieldstone.

For someone raised in Delaware with Biden’s blue-collar background, “it would be quite an accomplishment” to rise into the same social circles as the du Ponts, said Joseph Hurley, a Wilmington attorney who grew up with Biden and represented Moseley.

“It’s like, ‘I’ve really arrived,’ because the du Ponts were the family, the king’s-family type thing,” he said. -WaPo

Biden often cited the long role of the du Pont family in Delaware in his family story - writing in his memoir that his father moved the family from Scranton, PA to a suburb of Wilmington, which was made more economically stable thanks to so many well-paid DuPont employees.

"DuPont meant security for today and better times for the future," Biden wrote.

Years later, Biden recalled that his mother urged him to value his heritage with as much pride as the state’s best-known family. “Like I’m a du Pont or something,” Biden recalled. “You’re a Biden. Nobody is better than you, and everybody’s equal to you,” his mother told him.

Still, he envied the position and power of those who founded the DuPont company.

Elected to the Senate in 1972, he served in Congress alongside Rep. Pierre “Pete” du Pont IV, who later became Delaware’s governor and ran for president. Biden’s close adviser and Senate chief of staff, Ted Kaufman, had worked for DuPont as a plastics engineer.

In 1974, Biden spent $185,000 to buy what he called a “gorgeous ... enormous” mansion built six decades earlier by a du Pont family member in Greenville, Del. The home, which he named “the Station,” served as a base for Biden’s unsuccessful 1988 presidential campaign; he sold it for $1.2 million in 1996 and then bought a four-acre lakefront property in Greenville. -WaPo

The Biden-du Pont connection, reinforced by this membership, raises questions about potential influences and reciprocal favors within these elite circles.

In particular, it seems appropriate to revisit a controversial 2009 plea deal offered by then-Attorney General Beau Biden to a du Pont heir accused of raping his own daughter when she was a toddler. Richards was originally charged with two counts of second-degree rape, which carried a minimum of 20 years behind bars. Instead, he pleaded guilty in 2008 to fourth-degree rape, which carries no minimum prison time.

The deal was offered to du Pont heir Robert H. Richards IV, who had confessed to the fourth-degree rape of his 3-year-old daughter. He was spared prison time, a decision that sparked public outrage and scrutiny. Beau Biden defended the decision in 2014, citing the case's weaknesses and potential for loss at trial, but these justifications were met with skepticism, given the family's history with the du Ponts.

The plea bargain's leniency towards a figure from a wealthy and powerful family contrasts sharply with the typically harsher sentences meted out to less privileged offenders. This disparity points to a potential bias within the judicial system, influenced by socio-economic status and connections.

The link between the Bidens and the du Ponts, established years earlier through Joe Biden's golf club membership, suggests a narrative of mutual benefits and unwritten understandings among Delaware's elite. While there's no evidence of a link, the timing and context of these relationships paint a picture of intersecting interests and shared spaces between powerful families.


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additional words of "wisdom" from the kamala

"just because of who they are and how they pray"


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