Come on people, no.

There have been elections. Hundreds of thousands of votes have been cast.

There is NO way they can suddenly give the candidacy to someone who WASN'T even on ANY ticket.

No way.

Even if Biden were to croak, can you imagine what would happen if they tried to circumvent Bernie or Warren or any of the others who have ACTUAL electoral support. Ya know, votes cast in their favor?

Tulsi has more votes that Cuomo or Whitmer.

It's Biden or Bernie. No way around it now. To do otherwise would shatter the party. They know either is a loser to Trump, but that doesn't destroy them for 2024. Choosing someone not even on the primary circuit is suicide for decades.

Polling: Not a way to gauge opinion, but rather a way to sway it.

A poll by USA Today/Suffolk University today states that six months out from the election, ol' Joe Forget-me-what leads Donald Trump 44-38 percent (with a third party in the picture) and 50-40 straight on.

Let's consider two things. First, "national" polls mean nothing, as there isn't a national election, but states and territories all casting votes for electors on the same day, and second, USA Today has been in the forefront of "orange man bad" reporting since Day One.

Let's also not forget that the "national polls" had Shrillary winning by a 98% certainty. Yeah, right.

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Originally posted by Oat_Action_Man:
Come on people, no.
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It's Biden or Bernie. No way around it now. To do otherwise would shatter the party. They know either is a loser to Trump, but that doesn't destroy them for 2024. Choosing someone not even on the primary circuit is suicide for decades.

You say that like the DNC committing political suicide would be a bad thing. If what you say is true, why are we not all doing everything in our power to goad, cajole, entice, etc the Dims into doing it?

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Originally posted by bigdeal:
I'm beginning to wonder if this is the way the Dem's finally get rid of ole Slow Joe given it isn't going away. Regardless, what a shit show going through something like 20 primary candidates to settle on one old man that eventually has to withdrawal due to a sexual assault allegation.

Sleepy Joe is barely alive. For chrissakes, Kim Jong Un is presently more lively than Biden. Did anyone see the recent video of Jill Biden pitching for Joe for President while Biden stands there looking like he has no idea what's going on? It was very recent, but now I can't find it anywhere. It's like they realized how bad it made Joe look having his wife speak for him.

The DNC should just run lil' kim's sister. I mean, why beat around the bush?


Bernie has been deselectified twice, now.

https://twitter.com/mjoyce317/...809933155008512?s=20

oh gretchen

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Originally posted by fpuhan:
Polling: Not a way to gauge opinion, but rather a way to sway it.
A poll by USA Today/Suffolk University today states that six months out from the election, ol' Joe Forget-me-what leads Donald Trump 44-38 percent (with a third party in the picture) and 50-40 straight on.
Let's consider two things. First, "national" polls mean nothing, as there isn't a national election, but states and territories all casting votes for electors on the same day, and second, USA Today has been in the forefront of "orange man bad" reporting since Day One.
Let's also not forget that the "national polls" had Shrillary winning by a 98% certainty. Yeah, right.

Yep. Polls don’t mean shit. Remember, the day before the election in 2016 Hillary was supposedly up 6 points on Trump. We all know what happened the next day.

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Originally posted by Oat_Action_Man:
There is NO way they can suddenly give the candidacy to someone who WASN'T even on ANY ticket.

I think you're right, but there is an interesting little confluence of events here. Biden's at a little over 1300 delegates, and needs 1,1991 delegates to win the nomination in the first vote at the national convention. From tomorrow to the end of May, there are primaries in several states including Ohio, Kansas, Georgia and Oregon. In June there's a sort of second "Super Tuesday" on the 1st - Connecticut, Delaware, Indiana, Maryland, Montana, New Jersey, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, and South Dakota, with West Virginia on the 9th, Louisiana on the 20th, and Kentucky and New York on the 23rd.

see http://www.realclearpolitics.c.../election_dates/2020

That's one hell of a lot of states that are going to be absolutely critical to the Dems in the national election. Among them are a lot of states that have either been hit hard by the Kung Flu or are subject to Dems preaching the doctrine of government intervention up the whazoo or both. In other words, these are places where physical turnout is going to be thin if there's any physical voting anyway. So the Dems, being on the kick they're on, are going to wind up conducting a number of mail-in primary votes.

Would it be a stretch of the imagination to suggest that all of these mail-in primaries could turn out to be one ungodly mess? Remember that the Bernie Bros dream of winning a majority of the delegates but are now campaigning for as loud a voice as possible at the Convention and in the Democratic Party over time. Wherever there are missing ballots, questions about procedure, or discrepancies in counts, there will be wild-eyed accusations of corruption and cheating.

If there are enough doubts about the integrity of the vote at the convention ("every point of view is valid", right?), then there may or may not be a nomination on the first vote. Heck, delegates heading into the second and later votes (especially the superdelegates, who can't cast ballots in the first vote) may wind up giving downright operatic speeches about integrity and conscience and feeeeliings and whatnot and then go vote for whoever they want to - since the primary election itself was ultimately tainted anyway.

Will there still be chaos if they don't give it to either Biden or Bernie? Yes. Will Dems just not bother to show up to vote in the general election? Sure. Will there be damage lasting for centuries? Oh, yeah. But never underestimate a Dem's sense of opportunism when he/she/it thinks someone else is socially vulnerable and can be treated like shit with impunity. That, to them, is the exercise of power.

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Originally posted by ersatzknarf:
Conservative led states, with the exception of Texas and Florida, have little to no problem with covid.

Exception my rear side. Florida has done very well in dealing with the virus.

Usually the dem candidate would go left for the nomination and center to try to win the election. biden has to go to the left to win which won't pull in the middle.

The countries been 1/3rd left, 1/3rd middle + 1/3rd conservative from the beginning.

If they rig the nomination they'll piss of the bernie bros. If they go too far left they loose the middle.

here's hoping that their whole house of cards collapses in flames!!!

What the? I don’t think Tara Reade made a dime off the digital interaction...


Huh What? Joe Biden Says We Need More ‘Economic Intercourse’ With the World

“I would get much more engaged in the world, we can’t step back,” Biden said. “If in fact, for example, we solve the problem in the United States of America and you don’t solve it in other parts of the world, you know what’s going to happen? You’re going to have travel bans, you’re going to not be able to do, have economic intercourse around the world. There’s a lot, look, when America goes alone, when America is first, it’s America alone.”

https://www.redstate.com/nick-...a-shouldnt-be-first/

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Originally posted by tanner:

From the comments:

Nosmo_King
2h
Seated on a couch last April, ....

His actual quotes are pretty darn good:

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
Sleepy Joe is barely alive. For chrissakes, Kim Jong Un is presently more lively than Biden.

In regards to physical health, Shotgun Joe will still be standing in November, he's not going anywhere. He will be the Dems man. The guy has gotten older and more forgetful, his mind cloudier. But people tend to forget that he was always an idiot, a complete moron when he was V.P. Why was Obama so reluctant to officially endorse him? Because even Barry knows Joe was, and still is, a dingbat.

Another nightmare for Joe Biden: Bernie's still alive and kicking

So that long farewell from Bernie Sanders wasn't such a long farewell.

Actually, Bernie never left the race, even though he said he had suspended his campaign, and New York state, doing what seemed logical, called off its one-candidate primary.

Now Joe Biden has another problem.

Sen. Bernie Sanders' campaign blasted the New York State Board of Elections’ announcement on Monday that his name would not appear on the ballot for the state's presidential primary in June, calling the move an "outrage" and "a blow to American democracy."

"Just last week Vice President Biden warned the American people that President Trump could use the current crisis as an excuse to postpone the November election. Well, he now has a precedent thanks to New York state," Sanders 2020 senior adviser Jeff Weaver said in a statement.

Which doesn't exactly sound like the race for the Democratic nomination was ever over.

New York claims it cancelled its primary because Sanders dropped out and endorsed Joe Biden.

Which sounds about right from a pragmatic New York perspective. Coronavirus, and all that, don't want voters standing in line and catching disease, the old all-mail-in ballot argument. And New York doesn't have that, so just cut to the chase and give Biden what he was going to get anyway.

But they didn't understand much about Bernie.

Bernie wants to have his cake and eat it, too. He already knows he's not going to win, so he dropped out. But the socialist candidate was actually hoping to stay as a name on the ballot in the race anyway, presumably to to pick up delegates, and then use his delegates to force Biden to drive the party platform leftward, according to Politico.

Actually, it's just as likely that something else was happening: Sanders was staying but not staying in the race on the expectation that Biden would implode and he'd be there in the wings to pick up the nomination.

The Tara Reade sexual assault charges continue to keep the heat on Biden to drop out, the Bernie-ites are all over this issue on Twitter, and there's a growing pile of evidence that he's guilty.

Now Biden's looking at the prospect of some kind of party split, with the outraged Bernie-ites angrier than a stick-beaten hive of bees.

They've been cheated. Again. Bernie, from his own perspective, dropped out on the condition that his name remain on the ballot. Team Biden's surrogates, on the other hand, said that once you're out, what's the point?

It has all the makings for another party conflict.

Comically, Biden seems to be playing ho-hum about the whole thing, and has leaked a news story out about how he's assembling his transition team, holding court and taking meetings with a parade of establishment Democrats and a never-Trump Republicans looking to be part of his cabinet (using Zoom, Joe?) He's basically measuring the drapes, trying to send the message to Sanders (and Trump) that it's all over.

But we all know he's got a problem, he's got the nomination all sewn up and is still going to be fighting all the way to the convention, not just fighting Bernie, but attempting to win over his angry and embittered supporters who are convinced they've been cheated.

Already, 15% of the Bernie people have told pollsters they plan to vote for Donald Trump.

And speaking of Trump, rest assured that Team Trump is going to make hay on this, and remind the Bernie-ites over and over that the process is rigged. Since the Bernie-ites already think this, there's already some talk on Twitter from the Bernie bros on going third party.

What a mess. Sound like something Biden's capable of cleaning up? Life's tough when that rival who dropped out ... didn't drop out.

Read more: https://www.americanthinker.co...g.html#ixzz6KvIV9hJU

biden is getting 'expert' advice from al sharpton. what could go wrong.

https://www.nationalreview.com...ck-his-running-mate/

The real problem for the DNC is that after essentially forcing Sanders to drop out, if they then shit-can ol' Joe for someone else, the Sanders supporters will be so enraged, they will go from just not voting in the election, to voting for Donald Trump.

Think about it- "You made my guy drop out and now your senile choice is tanking? FUCK YOU!!"

Their secondary problem's downright funny, though.

"We gotta stay on the ballot - we just suspended the campaign."

"But Biden's got it all sewn up."

"Right, but we get to collect delegates to force Biden to negotiate with us so that we get what we want even though everything we want will be an albatross around Joe's neck. And you gotta pay for the ballots, for the communications, for everything else we can make you pay for, 'cause that's only fair."

"So when does Joe get to concentrate on beating Trump?"

"When we're satisfied that we've gotten what we wanted. And if that takes until the general election, so be it - we're fighting for justice!"

OK, so that's more cheap schadenfreude, but I still love watching Democrats get Democratted.