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Originally posted by bdylan:
If it wasn't staged, then it's unbelievable that Smith was allowed to participate after the violence and Rock should litigate...where was security?

Chris Rock should sue? Really? We're calling that minor slap "violence"? Have you ever seen real violence? Do you sue everyone for everything, especially hurt feelings?

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Originally posted by AKSuperDually:
Do we really live in such a refined society that a man cannot provide a minor correction to another man who just disparaged his wife, not just in public...but on an arguable global stage?

Yes, we do.

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Perhaps if more people had a healthy fear of having their cheeks slapped we'd have a much more polite society.

There is a time and a place. That wasn't it.

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Originally posted by AKSuperDually:
Mr. Smith certainly lives in a glass house, but sometimes the wrong joke at the wrong time is just the last straw. Sometimes, a minor "slap" on the wrist from LE is worth it to defend one's "honor".

From what I've seen, in this thread and all over freakin' daily wire (drives me nuts), I support Will Smith's slap. He can afford the lawyer bill, and it sounds like nothing is going to come of it but more attention. Chris Rock is suddenly relevant and popular again, which works for him. I don't know if he was reading off a script or not, being a sarcastic asshole for a living I think he could have easily handed the Smith's their butts on a massive scale. I actually applaud him for stopping, letting it drop, and de-escelating the whole situation as he did. For a classless person, he showed a little after he realized he was across a personal line.

I like you, so I hope you dont take this the wrong way...and FWIW, I'm in the camp of those who think that the general public could benefit from a slap from time to time, but Will Smith has had his pants pulled down on national TV by his wife after she fucked an unknown amount of young male suitors. He decided to go on TV and cry about this situation while she clowned him. If this is how he decides to lash out, shame on him. I guess I'll have to quote some faceless internet person and say "this is the straw that broke the cucks back".

Chris Rock was just doing his job. Does anyone remember Don Rickles?

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Originally posted by Jim Shugart:
Does anyone remember Don Rickles?

He was the doorman at the Tropicana

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Originally posted by Jim Shugart:
Does anyone remember Don Rickles?

Or the Dean Martin roasts from years back. Those guys tore each other up mercilessly...and laughed about it.

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Originally posted by bdylan:
If it wasn't staged, then it's unbelievable that Smith was allowed to participate after the violence and Rock should litigate...where was security?

As far as security is concerned one of two things is possible.
1. This was genuine and security allowed someone on the stage that wasn't suppose to be on the stage at that time take a swing at the host.
2. This was part of the show and security knew it was going to happen.

Now I have a hard time believing a top shelf Hollywood security firm would have allowed this to happen if what we saw was not scripted, and if they did I certainly wouldn't hire them again.

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Originally posted by goose5:

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Originally posted by bdylan:
If it wasn't staged, then it's unbelievable that Smith was allowed to participate after the violence and Rock should litigate...where was security?

As far as security is concerned one of two things is possible.
1. This was genuine and security allowed someone on the stage that wasn't suppose to be on the stage at that time take a swing at the host.
2. This was part of the show and security knew it was going to happen.

Now I have a hard time believing a top shelf Hollywood security firm would have allowed this to happen if what we saw was not scripted, and if they did I certainly wouldn't hire them again.

Sometimes I wonder if people can see my posts.

Also, with respect to this being staged (without Smith/Rock acquiescing to the ruse) why would you stage something like this and then have Smith deliver such a sanctimonious piece of shit acceptance speech a few minutes later?

I can see them PH. If some rando had decided to run up on stage I'm sure security would have stopped it. But they're not going to stop Will Smith from going up on stage, regardless of what they may have been told about the show and how it was laid out.

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Originally posted by ryan81986:
I can see them PH. If some rando had decided to run up on stage I'm sure security would have stopped it. But they're not going to stop Will Smith from going up on stage, regardless of what they may have been told about the show and how it was laid out.

Thank you.

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Originally posted by Pale Horse:

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Originally posted by bdylan:
If it wasn't staged, then it's unbelievable that Smith was allowed to participate after the violence and Rock should litigate...where was security?

As I stated on the last page, event security isn’t there for shit like this. Nobody on the security team would ever stop Will Smith from going on stage and none of them would remove him without show management telling them to.

Just FYI I’m saying this from my experience working in live events, including award shows, for 20 plus years.

This is how my wife views this too. I'm just not convinced. I don't trust these people. And, if this was genuine perhaps they need to reevaluate stopping stars walking on to the stage when they shouldn't.

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Originally posted by goose5:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Pale Horse:

This is how my wife views this too. I'm just not convinced. I don't trust these people. And, if this was genuine perhaps they need to reevaluate stopping stars walking on to the stage when they shouldn't.

I believe they likely will start having someone at the bottom of the stairs that will be instructed to not let anyone onstage from now on. Whoever that is will be told in advance to stop anyone, and I’m sure all attendees will be informed that they will be physically prohibited from trying to go onstage as well.

In 2019 I was working at an Amazon event where Jeff Bezos spoke. At the time he was the richest man in the world. During that talk a woman came out of the audience and got onstage within a few feet of Bezos and started yelling at him to protest some farm Amazon does business with or whatever. The event was a private event for registered attendees and somehow this woman had a press pass. There was big time security there, private and uniformed. But all of them were looking out, none of them were worried about the audience. The first call about her being onstage was from the director who saw her appear, security reacted quickly but not before she has already made her way to Bezos.

If some whack job with a press pass can get onstage with the richest man in the world during a private event, Will Smith can definitely get onstage with Chris Rock at an awards show.

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Originally posted by sdy:
Will Smith:

"My behavior at last night’s Academy Awards was unacceptable and inexcusable. Jokes at my expense are a part of the job, but a joke about Jada’s medical condition was too much for me to bear and I reacted emotionally."

"I would like to publicly apologize to you, Chris. I was out of line and I was wrong. I am embarrassed and my actions were not indicative of the man I want to be. There is no place for violence in a world of love and kindness. "

"I would also like to apologize to the Academy, the producers of the show, all the attendees and everyone watching around the world. I would like to apologize to the Williams Family and my ‘King Richard’ family. I deeply regret that my behavior has stained what has been an otherwise gorgeous journey for all of us."

"I am a work in progress. Sincerely, Will."

https://www.foxnews.com/entert...rock-oscars-slapping

The man you want to be? You’re 53 years old, not 23. What horseshit. You had the opportunity to say this last night on the podium and didn’t. You’re just trying to cover your ass now. You whined and moaned when you lost for Concussion. Then you and your wife that likes to cuck you boycotted this whole deal, now this. Chickens came home to roost.

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Originally posted by Pale Horse:

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Originally posted by bdylan:
If it wasn't staged, then it's unbelievable that Smith was allowed to participate after the violence and Rock should litigate...where was security?

As I stated on the last page, event security isn’t there for shit like this. Nobody on the security team would ever stop Will Smith from going on stage and none of them would remove him without show management telling them to.

Just FYI I’m saying this from my experience working in live events, including award shows, for 20 plus years.

My son has worked security for the Academy Awards and probably the Oscars as a Deputy Sheriff (ever try to carry a Beretta under a tux?).
He has some stories that are unbelievable.

PC

The slap.

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Originally posted by AKSuperDually:


Do we really live in such a refined society that a man cannot provide a minor correction to another man who just disparaged his wife, not just in public...but on an arguable global stage?

Chris Rock is supposed to roast people. He did his job. IMO what he said wasn't nearly as disrespectful as some people make it out to be. She's not dying of cancer, she has partial hair loss from wearing her braids too tight and shaved the rest. Comedians regularly roast people in the front row based on physical appearance. If Chris Rock wanted to disrespect Jada, there's PLENTY of material, none of which has to do with her GI Jane haircut and it would have been a lot funnier because it's true.

Moreover, these are celebrities. It comes with the territory. Everything that happens to them, good or bad, is public and fair game. FFS Jada disrespected Will Smith 100x worse with all the men she fucks on the side. As pointed out in this thread already, Will's OK if a guy puts a dick in her mouth but Chris Rock better keep her name out of his? Negro please.


If Will Smith went up there and said something along the lines of: "Cut to a commercial break cause we gotta talk." and Chris apologizes after the break, that would have been a lot more effective.


Here's Jeff Ross roasting celebrities and everyday folk on the street. There's plenty of roasts that are much more disrespectful than what Chris Rock said and guess what... people laughed at themselves because it was funny.

https://youtu.be/wvtvtROpXW4

Tyrus said tonight on Gutfeld that if he wanted to make a statement Smith and his wife should have walked out. It all seems like something petty to discuss with all that’s going on in our country and the world but we get drawn in don’t we?

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Originally posted by Pale Horse:
Sometimes I wonder if people can see my posts.

I, for one, see them... and I'm better for it. Your background and experience lends insight to topics like this.

I believe it's just a case where it's easier/ quicker for a member to post an unsupported opinion than to actually do due diligence in reading comments and sources before posting.

Keep on keepin' on because some of us actually read what you post.

At first I admit I missed Pale Horse's remarks. I find Pale Horse believable in his describe experience in the field of security for large high level events. What I don't find believable is anything concerning Will Smith and his wife. Who knows what the media reports. I've read reports she cheated on him. They have an open marriage. On a recent CBS Sunday Show Smith said there has been no infidelity. So I have doubts concerning anything about actors, Hollywood, the Oscars, or anything regarding these people. Honestly, I want to like Will Smith and what he did. Standing up for the honor of his wife. But, I just don't trust the packaging.