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Keeping relevant information private, undisclosed, is pursuant to a legal privilege. Attorney-client, penitent-pastor, etc. If you volunteer the information, or allow the holder of the information to reveal it, or treat it in some way as not confidential, the privilege is lost, waived. No Yogi-ism here, although I thank you for the compliment Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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She released PORTIONS of therapy notes.Has this been verified with the therapist.Is the therapist even identified in what was released? How hard would it to make up some therapy notes? May be true might not.It would be interesting to know for sure. Four boys at the party and the victim.No other girls,seems suspect also. She seems to be dodging testifying under oath. https://www.washingtonpost.com...m_term=.61d92f8140b6 The therapist’s notes, portions of which were provided by Ford and reviewed by The Washington Post, do not mention Kavanaugh’s name but say she reported that she was attacked by students “from an elitist boys’ school” who went on to become “highly respected and high-ranking members of society in Washington.” The notes say four boys were involved, a discrepancy Ford says was an error on the therapist’s part. Ford said there were four boys at the party but only two in the room. Notes from an individual therapy session the following year, when she was being treated for what she says have been long-term effects of the incident, show Ford described a “rape attempt” in her late teens. Washington Post: Jeff Bezos purchased the newspaper for US$250 million in cash, completing the transaction on October 1, 2013, after announcing the planned acquisition on August 5, 2013.[49][2][50] The newspaper is currently owned by Nash Holdings LLC, a holding company created for the acquisition and controlled by Bezos.[49] _________________________ "Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." Mark Twain | |||
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Maybe she should ask Brian Williams if he has any memories of the incident?  | |||
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Republicans can only afford one no vote assuming no democrats vote for Brett Kavanaugh which is probably a given by now. Seems like Corker is on board with Brett Kavanaugh now leaving Flake, Murkowsi, and Collins as possible no votes. Trump won YUGE over clinton in Alaska and IMO she would receive huge backlash from republicans by voting no. Collins would probably face a strong well funded challenger in the primary in 2020 when President Trump runs for president again if she votes no. Flake IMO will probably vote for Brett Kavanaugh. A bigger question is would any of these three really vote no on Brett Kavanaugh with the despicable shit show the democrats have put on including Susan Collins and her staff receiving death and rape threats? No matter what is brought up by the accuser if she testifies there will be no hard proof of what happened one way or the other at the end of the day and Brett Kavanugh has a whole lot more people that know him closely over the years vouching for his character than the accuser. IMO Brett Kavanaugh will still be confirmed and just maybe one republican senator will vote no but I am even doubting that at this point in time. Even another accuser coming forward at this very late time without hard proof would be met with a whole lot of skepticism by republicans IMO. | |||
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A good article by Andrew McCarthy about the Democrat strategy of delay, delay, delay. Maybe somebody has already cited it in this thread, but, anyway, here it is: https://www.nationalreview.com...p-stalling-and-vote/ The money quote: "In other words, what Democrats have sought is delay. What Republicans are allowing them to have is delay. The contemptuous stall strategy is being rewarded." And this: "There is no conceivable way that Dr. Ford’s allegation can ever be resolved in the sense of a firm conclusion about what happened. The allegation is far too stale to support a prosecution. Ford cannot remember rudimentary details, while Kavanaugh and other witnesses strongly deny that the incident happened. No matter how many hearings are held, we are never going to have a more definitive resolution than what we have now: Dr. Ford insists, not very convincingly, that it happened; Judge Kavanaugh forcefully insists that it did not; and other evidence developed at the hearing indicates without establishing (for it will never be possible to establish) that Kavanaugh should be credited. Overwhelming evidence establishes, moreover, that Kavanaugh is, in any event, a meritorious nominee." ______________________________________________________ "You get much farther with a kind word and a gun than with a kind word alone." | |||
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NYT: Kavanaugh Has No Right to Presumption of Innocence, ‘Politics’ Should Decide His Guilt Instead https://townhall.com/tipsheet/...ilt-instead-n2521558 On Thursday, The New York Times published an opinion piece by former Obama White House lawyer Kate Shaw arguing that traditional due process protections such as “the burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt; the presumption of innocence; [and] the right to confront and respond to an accuser” are not necessary for the purposes of determining if Brett Kavanaugh sexually assaulted Christine Blasely Ford more than 35 years ago or whether he should serve on the Supreme Court. Instead, Shaw posited that only a “credible allegation” of misconduct informed by “politics” and various ideological considerations is needed to determine Kavanaugh’s (or any other potential nominee’s) guilt and disqualify him from the position. Although the Times’s description of Shaw portrays her as a simple law professor giving an expert legal opinion, it does not mention her connections to the Obama White House or her marriage to liberal MSNBC host Chris Hayes. Shaw’s piece — titled "How Strong Does the Evidence Against Kavanaugh Need to Be?" — began answering its chief question by laying out what should not factor into any determination of Kavanaugh’s guilt: “It’s natural to place this sort of accusation within a criminal-justice framework: the burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt; the presumption of innocence; the right to confront and respond to an accuser. If Judge Kavanaugh stood criminally accused of attempted rape, all of that would apply with full force. But those concepts are a poor fit for Supreme Court confirmation hearings, where there’s no presumption of confirmation, and there’s certainly no burden that facts be established beyond a reasonable doubt.” emphasis added So if due process traditions should not inform how Senators evaluate the sexual assault allegations against Kavanaugh, what did Shaw think should guide their decision-making? In a word — “politics”: “What matters here isn’t law as much as politics — though not (or not just) partisan politics. Confirmation hearings are also about constitutional politics — the debate, involving both institutions of government and the polity, about what the Constitution means and requires. “So what standard should the Senate use in evaluating the claims made by Dr. Blasey and in deciding how they bear on Judge Kavanaugh’s fitness for a seat on the Supreme Court? The Senate’s approach to its constitutional “advice and consent” obligation has always depended on context. A number of factors matter: the timing of the vacancy; the justice being replaced; the nominee’s likely impact on the ideological makeup of the court; even the popularity of the president (very popular presidents have always had more leeway when it comes to picking justices).” emphasis added This is a pretty stunning admission for a law professor to make. Not only did Shaw argue that her own profession’s primary factfinding mode is unnecessary for figuring out whether accusations of serious criminal conduct are true, she openly said that nakedly political considerations — including Trump’s popularity and Kavanaugh’s potential ideological impact on the Supreme Court — should help determine whether Ford’s claim of attempted rape is true. Shaw’s epistemological approach here thusly resembles that of a Bolshevik commissar far more closely than a dispassionate lawyer or legal expert. _________________________ "Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." Mark Twain | |||
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327,000,000 USA citizens. The government is for all our benefit. The senate has a full plate, which is why they have rules/procedures to be able to complete important task, then on to the next. Ford was denied her representation by Feinstein. The senate then made a generous offer to accommodate anyway, Ford turned this down. Time to move on. | |||
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https://www.themaven.net/there...79&mc_eid=2cb1db6ab9 Woman Ford names as other person at party claims no knowledge and says she doesn’t know Kavanaugh. *** "Aut viam inveniam aut faciam (I will either find a way or make one)." -- Hannibal Barca | |||
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Meeting is set for Thursday supposedly. But this is seriously bothersome: "If no final deal is made, Mr. Grassley will be left to decide on Sunday whether to move ahead with a committee vote on Judge Kavanaugh’s nomination that is scheduled for Monday, or give Dr. Blasey more time. Judge Kavanaugh, who has vigorously denied the allegations, has repeatedly expressed his desire to testify." https://www.breitbart.com/big-...to-testify-thursday/ "Attorneys for Ford and aides to Senate Judiciary Chairman Chuck Grassley are said to have reached a tentative agreement for the professor to testify Thursday during a “brief” phone call on Saturday and plan to speak again Sunday to flesh out additional details of her testimony. Members of Sen. Dianne Feinstein’s (D-CA) staff were also a part of Saturday’s negotiations." https://www.nytimes.com/2018/0...d=nytcore-ipad-share WASHINGTON — The Senate Judiciary Committee and lawyers for the woman who has accused Judge Brett M. Kavanaugh of sexually assaulting her decades ago reached a tentative agreement on Saturday for her to publicly testify on Thursday, an apparent breakthrough that could alter the course of a bitter confirmation fight. After a brief call late on Saturday, the woman’s lawyers and aides to Senator Charles E. Grassley of Iowa, the Republican chairman of the Judiciary Committee, planned to talk again Sunday morning to continue the halting negotiations over the conditions of the testimony, according to three people familiar with the call. Aides to Senator Dianne Feinstein of California, the committee’s top Democrat, were also involved. But in a setback for the woman, Christine Blasey Ford, Republicans on the committee received a statement on Saturday that seemed to eliminate any chance of corroboration of Dr. Blasey’s account by anyone who attended the high school party where she says she was assaulted. A woman named Leland Keyser — who is believed to have been identified by Dr. Blasey as one of the five people at the party — told the committee through a lawyer that she “does not know Mr. Kavanaugh and she has no recollection of ever being at a party or gathering where he was present, with, or without, Dr. Ford.” Two other men have also told the committee that they also have no recollection of the events. Still, even without corroboration, any testimony by Dr. Blasey would set up a potentially explosive showdown, and it could greatly complicate matters for Judge Kavanaugh, who just last week — before Dr. Blasey came forward with her account of the assault — seemed destined for confirmation to the Supreme Court. While the negotiations over Dr. Blasey’s testimony seemed to gain momentum, they could still falter over the details, which include who will question her. But in tentatively agreeing to a Thursday hearing, Republicans made a significant concession that suggested they were working to ensure that the session occurred after several days of uncertainty. If no final deal is made, Mr. Grassley will be left to decide on Sunday whether to move ahead with a committee vote on Judge Kavanaugh’s nomination that is scheduled for Monday, or give Dr. Blasey more time. Judge Kavanaugh, who has vigorously denied the allegations, has repeatedly expressed his desire to testify. Mr. Grassley had set 2:30 p.m. Saturday as a final deadline for Dr. Blasey to agree or decline to appear. In a letter to the committee sent to meet that deadline, lawyers for Dr. Blasey, 51, a research psychologist in Northern California, said they were hopeful that an agreement could be reached on the details. Dr. Blasey “accepts the committee’s request to provide her firsthand knowledge of Brett Kavanaugh’s sexual misconduct next week,” they wrote. The lawyers called details of Mr. Grassley’s earlier proposal, including a Wednesday hearing date, “fundamentally inconsistent with the committee’s promise of a fair, impartial investigation into her allegations.” The tentative deal reached hours later came as White House officials and Republicans on Capitol Hill were growing increasingly frustrated at what they said was a ploy to delay the Monday vote. Kerri Kupec, a White House spokeswoman, said in a statement shortly before Saturday evening’s call that after days of negotiations, “we appear no closer to a fair hearing.” Democrats praised an agreement that they hoped would hold together. “She is a profile in courage,” said Senator Richard Blumenthal, a Connecticut Democrat on the committee who was briefed on the back-and-forth. “She has come so far in meeting truly outrageously arbitrary and unfair demands simply to speak her truth to power and to the American people.” The tentative agreement was the latest turn in an on-again, off-again negotiation that began cordially with Dr. Blasey voicing an openness to testifying but quickly turned acrimonious. There have been several sticking points, including who would question her at a hearing — Republicans want to hire an outside counsel; Dr. Blasey would prefer to be questioned by senators — and how many news media cameras would be present. The lawyers have also asked for the committee to subpoena testimony from a high school friend of Judge Kavanaugh’s who Dr. Blasey has said witnessed the assault. The Senate majority leader, Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, has said that he has enough votes to confirm Judge Kavanaugh, but with at least two Republicans in the Senate undecided and with the party holding only a 51-to-49 majority, it is hardly assured. It is increasingly unlikely that Judge Kavanaugh will have the support of even a single Senate Democrat. Privately, Republican senators were working to resolve differences among themselves about how to proceed. Some favored cutting off negotiations over the hearing and moving swiftly to a vote, while others pushed to accommodate Dr. Blasey’s wishes. One of those who has favored accommodation, Senator Jeff Flake, Republican of Arizona, said on Twitter on Saturday afternoon that he saw progress. “This is good,” he wrote.............. | |||
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Don't like the sound of this. Grassley gives ground and gets nothing off the table. https://apnews.com/1e4a28d2309...-testify-on-Thursday Negotiators reached a tentative agreement Saturday for the Senate Judiciary Committee to hear testimony Thursday from Christine Blasey Ford, the woman accusing Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh of sexual assault from decades ago, according to two people briefed on the matter. Lawyers for Ford and bipartisan representatives of the committee came to the tentative agreement after a short phone call, said one of the people, who was not authorized to speak publicly and requested anonymity. The person said Kavanaugh would also appear. Some details of the hearing, such as the order of their appearance, remained in negotiation . Talks were expected to continue Sunday. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx how can the order of appearance possibly "remain in negotiation". Grassley should have made that front and center. If the Ford team wouldn't agree, hold the confirmation hearing. | |||
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Click on "reports" in the Breitbart article cited above, and it takes you to a NY Times article. So, fake news alert! The other article here, linked by sdy, is AP. I don't trust either source. Let's wait and see. We'll know for sure tomorrow. ______________________________________________________ "You get much farther with a kind word and a gun than with a kind word alone." | |||
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from the NYT article https://www.nytimes.com/2018/0...d=nytcore-ipad-share But in a setback for the woman, Christine Blasey Ford, Republicans on the committee received a statement on Saturday that seemed to eliminate any chance of corroboration of Dr. Blasey’s account by anyone who attended the high school party where she says she was assaulted. A woman named Leland Keyser — who is believed to have been identified by Dr. Blasey as one of the five people at the party — told the committee through a lawyer that she “does not know Mr. Kavanaugh and she has no recollection of ever being at a party or gathering where he was present, with, or without, Dr. Ford.” Two other men have also told the committee that they also have no recollection of the events. Kavanaugh - didn't happen Mark Judge - didn't happen Patrick Smyth - didn't happen Leland Keyser - didn't happen 4 out of 5 still from NYT: If no final deal is made, Mr. Grassley will be left to decide on Sunday whether to move ahead with a committee vote on Judge Kavanaugh’s nomination that is scheduled for Monday, or give Dr. Blasey more time. Judge Kavanaugh, who has vigorously denied the allegations, has repeatedly expressed his desire to testify. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx at this point w 4 of 5 saying it didn't happen, and if Ford team won't agree to Ford first, Grassley should end it. Hold the confirmation on Monday. With the information available, tremendous pressure should be put on Flake that he will be one of the most despised people in the country if he doesn't support one of the most qualified SC nominees ever. | |||
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From the NYT article listed above. Now it is five people she remembers at the party,originally it was four. I think this woman is just looney. But in a setback for the woman, Christine Blasey Ford, Republicans on the committee received a statement on Saturday that seemed to eliminate any chance of corroboration of Dr. Blasey’s account by anyone who attended the high school party where she says she was assaulted. A woman named Leland Keyser — who is believed to have been identified by Dr. Blasey as one of the five people at the party — told the committee through a lawyer that she “does not know Mr. Kavanaugh and she has no recollection of ever being at a party or gathering where he was present, with, or without, Dr. Ford.” Two other men have also told the committee that they also have no recollection of the events. _________________________ "Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." Mark Twain | |||
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I saw a lot of sexual assault cases in my career. Most were legitimate and clear cut, but enough of them were verifiably false that I would always be suspicious of a cold complaint like this. There's all kinds of psychobabble to explain why a "victim" would make up something like this. Any of those senators who worked in the criminal justice system understand this. This whole "she must be believed" thing is sheer horseshit. Let them testify and weigh the testimony and act accordingly. CMSGT USAF (Retired) Chief of Police (Retired) | |||
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Are you sure Flake is on board? Without him, the ship sinks. Flake is on the committee. He is not running for re-election so is not worried about constituents, getting the new dam, jobs for the boys. His vote can freeze the committee until the end of this Congress. He has, in effect, a veto, along with the God Damned Commies. What does he say? Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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Things that are already on purely shaky ground for Ford seem to be crumbling further. This ludicrous mess just needs to go away. | |||
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Leland Keyser Golf Coach Wash DC Univ of VA 1984-1988 Holton-Arms School 1975-1984 Holton-Arms : college-preparatory school for girls grades 3-12 100% of Holton-Arms graduates are accepted to four-year institutions. 57 acres of rolling woodlands on River Road in Bethesda, Md. School Motto: “I will find a way or make one.” https://www.holton-arms.edu/about/holton-at-a-glance | |||
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Bob Beckel's ex-wife.
...let him who has no sword sell his robe and buy one. Luke 22:35-36 NAV "Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves; so be shrewd as serpents and innocent as doves." Matthew 10:16 NASV | |||
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