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Originally posted by mbinky:
I read that bit about the flag earlier and thought "he knows he will be spending the rest of his life warm and dry getting three hots and a cot, and there isn't a dam thing anyone can do about it".

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
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Well, I'm sure I'll be in a very small minority here, but this piece of crap was still a legal permanent resident of this country and hence should be afforded the same rights as anyone else.

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Originally posted by mbinky:
I read that bit about the flag earlier and thought "he knows he will be spending the rest of his life warm and dry getting three hots and a cot, and there isn't a dam thing anyone can do about it".

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Originally posted by Sig2340:

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
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Well, I'm sure I'll be in a very small minority here, but this piece of crap was still a legal permanent resident of this country and hence should be afforded the same rights as anyone else.

His crime was in the jurisdiction of The Constitution of the United States of America, therefore he gets all the legal trimmings.

Then give the fucker the needle.

By way of comparison, do you recall when the Oklahoma mass murderer was executed?

Kill him, legally, and forget him.

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Originally posted by JALLEN:

He has all the rights to due process while being declared an enemy combatant.

It would be tough to determine a citizen to be an enemy combatant, but a green card holder is still an alien.

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Originally posted by Gustofer:
No, he'll be put to death for this. It'll just take a decade or so and about $100 million dollars before it happens.

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Originally posted by Edmond:
I have a quick method:

Announce to the world that he's being released, no questions asked with the time, date and location...

Problem will take care of itself just about immediately.

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Originally posted by mesabi:
I'm tired of hearing how brave and tough the residents of NYC are! WTF?

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Originally posted by gpbst3:
They did admit it was terrorism but made sure to stress it was a lone wolf and there is no indication of a larger plot.

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Originally posted by dry-fly:
Note.. I did not have time to read all 11 pages, sorry if this was discussed.
Why the fake guns? Paintball and BB gun? Is it just cause it looks scarey? I’m mean what’s the point, I’m sure even in NY these goat fu$kers can get ahold of an AK47.. I just don’t get that part of the plan, unless like I said it’s just to scare people.

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Originally posted by jsbcody:...I am really surprised this shithead didn't have a knife, hammer or axe instead of two fake pistols. He was trying to get killed by the police as a holy martyr in midst of jihad.

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Originally posted by Hound Dog:
Foxnews.com is reporting the perp is happy about his rampage and is asking for an isis flag in his hospital room.

I'm actually sort of glad we got him alive. Listening to his rants and outright hatred of us and all we stand for will make our "get-tough-on-terror" stance even more convincing.

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Originally posted by feersum dreadnaught:
Breaking: TRUMP CANCELS Diversity Lottery Program – NYC Killer Sponsored 23 PEOPLE Since Coming to US!
November 1, 2017 by Jim Hoft 344 Comments

On Tuesday Islamist Sayfullo Saipov, a 29=year-old immigrant from Uzbekistan, murdered eight people in a truck attack in New York City. Saipov entered the US under the “Diversity Visa program” in 2010.

The “Diversity VISA Program” is a lottery for individuals from nations with few immigrants in the United States. The immigration program was the brainchild of none other than Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY).

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Green card lottery invented to help the Irish - under Trump, its luck may have run out

New bill would slash immigration, writes Michael E Miller

Michael E Miller
August 4 2017 2:30 AM

US President Donald Trump backed a new Senate bill on Wednesday that would dramatically slash legal immigration levels.

Among the provisions of the Reforming American Immigration for Strong Employment (RAISE) Act is a proposal to axe the controversial Diversity Visa Lottery, better known as the green card lottery.

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Anna Law, a political science professor at CUNY Brooklyn College, said she would shed no tears if the odd raffle comes to an end.

"It was about straight up, pork barrel politics," she said of the lottery's pro-Irish origins. "The start of it was very cynical."

The roots of the phenomenon can be traced back to the Immigration Act of 1965, which eliminated a quota system and instead prioritised reuniting families and attracting skilled labourers to the US.

The progressive act had an unanticipated effect on the mix of people coming to America, according to Ms Law. Asian and Latino immigration rose while immigration from Ireland, Italy and other western European countries dropped.

Previously, Ireland had been a "high quota country with a demand for immigration that was below the supply of visas", Ms Law wrote in a 2002 paper. "The procedure for non-preference immigrants to get a visa was fairly simple and pretty much any Irish man or woman who wanted to immigrate could just pick up and do so, with relative ease."

After 1965, however, the majority of the Irish who wanted to immigrate had only distant relatives in the US (cousins, aunts, uncles) and none close enough to petition for them. Those who had no relatives to petition for them could theoretically obtain a visa by qualifying through one of the employment preferences, but few of the Irish possessed the skills and education to qualify via an employment preference.

For a decade, Irish-American lawmakers offered different ways of increasing legal Irish immigration, but weren't able to pass them.

By the early 1980s, Ireland was undergoing an economic crisis that earned it the nickname "the sick man of Europe". Unable to immigrate legally, hundreds of thousands of Irish came to America as tourists and then overstayed their visas.

"About 150,000 Irish immigrants came to New York as students or tourists over the last six years and stayed on as undocumented aliens," the 'New York Times' reported in 1988.

In 1986, Republican Brian J Donnelly proposed an amendment to the Immigration Reform and Control Act that would provide 10,000 visas on a first-come, first-served basis for nationals of countries "adversely affected" by the 1965 changes. Senator Ted Kennedy filed similar legislation in the Senate. Then-speaker of the House, Tip O'Neill - yet another Irish-American from Massachusetts - ensured the amendment passed.

The Irish were well prepared. Undocumented Irish immigrants in the US applied en masse, submitting multiple applications, which was allowed at the time.

The Irish government even got involved, "chartering planes and literally depositing the applications in post office boxes on Capitol Hill", according to Ms Law.

"People still talk about Donnelly-visa parties, held in the US and in Ireland, where guests spent the early evening filling out hundreds of applications for the host," the 'Times' reported. "Some applicants were known to have sent as many as 500 forms."

As a result, the first green card lottery was very green indeed.

Donnelly's NP-5 programme was a one-off. But he and others in Congress fought for a permanent version of the green card lottery in the Immigration Act of 1990, cagily couching it as an issue of "diversity".

"That was the rhetoric they used," Ms Law said. "They couldn't call it the 'White-Europeans-who-don't-have-job-skills-American-employers-want-and-don't-have-ties-to-anyone-in-the-United-States-but-want-to-come-anyway' lottery."

The Diversity Visa Lottery - in which 50,000 winners are chosen randomly from around the world, with high-immigration countries like India, China and Mexico excluded - went into effect in the fiscal year of 1995. But the Immigration Act of 1990 also included a transitional programme that ran from 1991 to 1994.

Unsurprisingly, the Irish again dominated with 40pc - or 18,000 - of the 40,000 visas for fiscal years 1992-1994, according to Ms Law.

As the economy improved in Ireland in the late 1990s and 2000s, fewer and fewer Irish entered the green card lottery. (In fiscal year 2016, only 36 Irish received a diversity visa.) Instead, over time, the programme has primarily come to serve eastern Europe and Africa.

Despite its pro-Irish origins, the Diversity Visa Lottery now lives up to its name, Ms Law admitted.

"It's much more diverse now," she said. "You can't even make fun of it anymore."

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