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Originally posted by chellim1:

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Originally posted by stoic-one:
Lizzy is OUT!

Hey, there's always Tulsi...

Totally rockin that 1 delegate.

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Originally posted by chellim1:
But anyone can predict a winner. I could do a poll of one person and predict a winner based on the results. Some will be better at predicting than others. Still, it's just an opinion. It has no effect on the actual outcome.

Meh [shrug]...I shall opt to agree to disagree.

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Originally posted by PASig:

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Originally posted by stoic-one:
Lizzy is OUT!

Confirmed!

Fauxcohantas ran out of wampum and beads...

they're all making deals with the biden campaign for THEIR future.

And another one gone....another one gone.... Another one bites the dust...

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Originally posted by az4783054:
they're all making deals with the biden campaign for THEIR future.

That’s what I was thinking this morning. Time to buck for VP or cabinet positions.

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Originally posted by chellim1:

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I didn't say, "Stop exit polling". I said, "Stop exit polling TO PREDICT AN ELECTION'S WINNER".

But anyone can predict a winner. I could do a poll of one person and predict a winner based on the results. Some will be better at predicting than others. Still, it's just an opinion. It has no effect on the actual outcome.

It does tend to deter people from voting who didn't vote earlier. It really is the media's opportunity to shape the vote to some degree, and the integrity of the vote is more important than the commercial exercise of free speech rights in one extremely narrow category of speech during an extremely narrow period of time.

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It does tend to deter people from voting who didn't vote earlier.

Yeah... and that was a big controversy years ago when some news organizations were predicting a winner (I believe Reagan in 1984) before the polls had closed on the West coast.

But now, they don't start talking about results or exit polls until after the polls are closed.

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THE 1984 ELECTIONS: A LONG CAMPAIGN FINALLY ENDS; TV NETWORKS CALL THE RACE EARLY, RENEWING DEBATE ON USE OF PROJECTIONS

The three major commercial networks declared Ronald Reagan the winner of this year's Presidential election last night while voters were still casting their ballots in nearly half the states around the country.

CBS News was first at 8:01 P.M. Eastern time, ABC followed at 8:13 and NBC pronounced Mr. Reagan the winner at 8:31. All three declarations came long before the polls closed in California at 11 P.M. Eastern time and before the polls closed in New York, the state from which they were broadcasting, at 9 o'clock.

All three networks were careful to avoid projections for states in which polls had not closed, or before a substantial majority of polls had closed in those states with staggered closings. The network anchors also repeatedly made the point that citizens should continue to vote because voting was important to the outcome of the election.

That the three networks projected a Presidential winner so early seemed likely to continue an emotional debate about whether such announcements could depress voter turnout.

https://www.nytimes.com/1984/1...-early-renewing.html

Actually, they wait until the lines to the polls are closed but people in line before the cutoff can still vote. As we saw Tuesday night, that can cover enough people to swing a vote on way or another. Once the polls are closed they should be restricted to reporting numbers from precincts that have reported and making no "calls" whatsoever.

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Yeah... and that actually happened years ago...

1984??? Well, I don't know why you used that example when the most glaring and recent one was the Florida panhandle debacle in 2000:
https://www.washingtontimes.co...010507-022913-4617r/

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Networks' early call kept many from polls

...Mr. Glass listened to the radio as he neared the church. He was a big fan of talk radio, which he considered the only sector of the American news media not completely overrun by liberal Democrats.
That afternoon he had tuned in a show hosted by local conservative Luke McCoy, who lived just three town houses away from him on a cul-de-sac off Scenic Highway. Mr. McCoy got an on-air call from Jeb Bush, who had just arrived in Austin, Texas, to monitor election returns with his brother.
"Hey, Luke — Jeb Bush," the Florida governor had said. "I just want to urge you to do everything you can to get the vote out. Its going to be very tight, and we need the people of the Panhandle."
As Mr. Glass neared the turnoff for his polling place, he flitted from station to station in hopes of catching a little election coverage.
"… and so Al Gore has won Floridas 25 electoral votes," a voice crackled from the radio.
Alone in his Geo, Mr. Glass cursed aloud.
"How can this be?" he remembers thinking. "Were not through voting yet."

More at link

Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer Endorses Joe Biden – The Big Picture Challenge for Bernie...

Michigan and the subsequent 125 Democrat delegates is a critical state for the presidential primary contest between Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders. Michigan (125 delegates), Idaho (20), Mississippi (36), Missouri (68), North Dakota (14), and Washington State (89) all vote next Tuesday March 10th.

Former Vice-President Joe Biden, an advocate for outsourcing U.S. jobs via corrupt trade deals, is hoping to leverage his phony pro-union bona-fides & crush Bernie Sanders in Michigan.

However, Bernie has a strong ground team in Michigan, understands the importance in delegate accumulation, and also knows it is critical to defeat the ‘unelectable‘ narrative the DNC Club has deployed against him.

Michigan is also critical for Bernie because his positions on Cuba have damaged his hopes in Florida (219 delegates) voting on March 17th.

If Bernie is going to mount a progressive charge against the power of the DNC apparatus he needs a strong outcome from working class voters in Michigan, Illinois (155) and Ohio (136 delegates). The primary contests in Illinois and Ohio are held on March 17th along with Florida.

Into this critical moment comes Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer who is: (a) part of the professional party apparatus; and (b) endorsing the party candidate, Joe Biden.

MICHIGAN – Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (D) on Thursday endorsed Joe Biden for president, a significant boost for the former vice president ahead of next week’s primary in the Wolverine State.

Whitmer, whose state’s primary will allocate 125 pledged delegates, cast Biden as an advocate for working families, citing his work on health care, bailing out the auto industry and more during his time in the Obama administration.

https://theconservativetreehou...-bernie/#more-185564

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MICHIGAN – Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (D) on Thursday endorsed Joe Biden for president, a significant boost for the former vice president ahead of next week’s primary in the Wolverine State.

She does not speak on behalf of all wolverines.....

If any Michiganders are checking in, how far does a Whitmer endorsement go? I don't know from Michigan, but it sounds like the Dem primary there is going to be a battle between college kids and union members.

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The Dems know Biden is going to shit his pants so the pick for VP becomes critical.

https://hillreporter.com/could...g-mate-in-2020-32771



BY Chris Walker April 25, 2019

Here’s a quick thought: Could former Vice President Joe Biden, now himself a candidate for the presidency, select as his running mate former President Barack Obama?

Obama himself is ineligible to run for a third term as president, as the 22nd Amendment prohibits an individual from doing so if they’ve won office more than twice. But the wording of that amendment also gives Obama some wiggle-room to run for vice president:
The partial wording of that amendment states:
“No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.”

The key words to look at here are “elected to the office.” The amendment forbids Obama or any other president who has served two terms from running again. But it doesn’t say anything about whether they are ineligible from serving as president once more, thus paving the way for a former two-term president to run for the second-in-command post.

Conversely, there are provisions in the Constitution that could questionably prevent Obama from being able to run — and serve — as vice president. The 12th Amendment, for example, contains such a rule.

“[N]o person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States,” the amendment reads.

But again, that doesn’t necessarily settle the matter. It’s all up for interpretation. Is a person ineligible to be vice president (and thus, have the outside chance of becoming president) if they’re ineligible to run for president? Technically speaking, the 22nd Amendment doesn’t place any limits on former presidents to serve as president for a third term — it simply prevents them from running directly for the office of president again.
Michael Dorf, a professor at Cornell Law School, gave his opinion on the issue in an interview with the Washington Post in 2015.

“The drafters of this language [of the 22nd Amendment] knew the difference between getting elected to an office and holding an office,” Dorf explained. “They could have just said ‘no person may hold the office of president more than twice.’ But they didn’t.”

Indeed, Dorf even signaled that the present-day Supreme Court’s hands would be tied on the matter. In a case from 1968, the Court ruled eligibility requirements that restrict people from running for federal office had to be read with a narrow interpretation — that is, the letter of the law mattered more than a broad interpretation of the rules. To rule differently now would thwart the established precedent created more than 50 years ago.

Looking at the 22nd Amendment with a narrow lens, it’s clearly written in a way to allow a former president to run as someone else’s vice president. It may not have been the collective authors’ intent for that to have happened, but they didn’t consider disallowing it either.

Again, it’s not likely that Biden, or any other Democratic candidate for president, would choose Obama as their vice presidential pick, and even if they did, it’s very doubtful that Obama would accept the offer. But given Obama’s present popularity — and the fact that the law would allow them to choose him — one could be forgiven if a Democratic candidate made such a suggestion while on the 2020 campaign trail.

It’s not the first time Liz has had to leave a race...

Wretched Gretchen does not speak for me either. She is glaring example of big city voting.

It's quite impressive how the Democratic party so quickly coalesced together after Biden won South Carolina. The democratic machine is something to behold. There is no way that the Republican party could have pulled that off. In fact, we know that to be true because they would have done so in 2016 if they could have.

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Well, no 'moderate' demonstrated that they could get enough traction to be the person the Republicans coalesced behind, and Biden wasn't anointed until he got a blowout in South Carolina and won pretty much every state between Washington D.C. and the Rio Grande. Heck, even now we're all waiting to see what the Bernie Hos are going to do next.

Blumey Bucks is the answer to the quickness of the coalescence

Biden drops out of Presidential race!

He now Endorses Joe Biden.