I am very sure the FBI knows exactly who he is and the asking for the public's help is just a ruse to to buy time so they can see if the perp has accomplices and the extent of their involvement.

JD Vance will use Air Force II to bring Kirk's casket back home in Arizona tonight.

https://www.foxnews.com/travel...wo-from-utah-arizona

Jones, Smudge is respected here. His opinion does matter and as he said we can agree to disagree. Most here would respect his thoughts and give consideration to them. My self included.
Is now the time to post something like you did? And yes it was directed towards board members. It just shows how much you wish plunge a knife into a very recent wound. Not necessary imho.

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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:
This argument might hold more weight with me if they hadn't tried to do the exact same thing to Trump twice last year. We can agree to disagree, but I think if you guys want to turn it into a Christian persecution thing, you're going to lose a lot of conservatives that this most certainly directly impacts. My opinion, and all I ask is that you at least consider it.

Why does this matter, right now? It is Christian persecution, it is Conservative persecution, it is traditional family persecution, it is American ideals persecution...it is all of those. Don't try and divide us now, saying it is us who are the problem and we are going to lose a lot of conservatives. Really?

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Originally posted by Flashlightboy:
I am very sure the FBI knows exactly who he is and the asking for the public's help is just a ruse to to buy time so they can see if the perp has accomplices and the extent of their involvement.

I concur. Facial recognition at its best. I really hope he’s part of Antifa so we can finally put those fucks in the ground.

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Originally posted by old rugged cross:
Jones, Smudge is respected here. His opinion does matter and as he said we can agree to disagree. Most here would respect his thoughts and give consideration to them. My self included.
Is now the time to post something like you did? And yes it was directed towards board members. It just shows how much you wish plunge a knife into a very recent wound. Not necessary imho.

I can overlook your personal animus towards me in this instance.

But, I think due to it, you overlook that I am saying that Smudge is 1000 percent correct. And people can’t see the fact that when you place labels on this as being Christian, Conservative or whatever, you overlook the point he was trying to make.

Kirk was hated (and I believe the investigation will show killed) by people who fundamentally couldn’t or wouldn’t see his point of view. And much to Smudges point.

And if it hairlips people that clutch pearls, such as hard and fast Religion, so be it. Smudge is correct. And people had better figure out quick and a hurry we need to be more like Smudge.

Things in our nation have changed. We have to change with it or we’ll meet the same fate. Things have changed so profoundly by a single event that I changed my long standing tag line.

All Smudge asked the man to do was see his point of view. And alas, he could not. It clashed with his personal belief system.

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Originally posted by jljones:
But, I think due to it, you overlook that I am saying that Smudge is 1000 percent correct.

For what it's worth, this is how I interpreted your post.

I’ve been trying to follow the discussion, but I am still confused. Is the contention that Mr. Kirk was killed because he was a Christian?

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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:

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Originally posted by sigmoid:
His worldview was 100% Christian, I know you probably don't get that, but there it is.

This argument might hold more weight with me if they hadn't tried to do the exact same thing to Trump twice last year.

I think that being a Christian does make one a target by the Left, but it is one of several factors that paint that target. Of course the more factors one possesses, the bigger the target they become.

- Openly conservative.
- Openly religious and/or Zionist Jew.
-Openly Christian (not a progressive that labels themself a Christian.) and Zionist.
-White
-Male

Charlie checked off all but one box above, and he was highly effective at unknotting the indocrination pretzels on college campuses. He was a trophy kill for the Left.


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I am not saying Smudge is right or wrong. I respect his opinion. It was mentioned earlier in the thread that Charlie Kirk checked all the boxes to be a target in no specific order persae.

Christian
Conservative
White
A family man
Engaging
And seen as a threat to the radical left for all their beliefs, hopes and dreams for our country.

The comment "Irony being pretty thick" seems like a pretty cheap shot to members here. Which is what you intended. So be it. Just pointing out the obvious.

Enough

Not another word about it. I don't even know why the point is being argued.

Looks like them...

ETA: after reading chellim1's post below, I think they need to be interviewed by the largest, burliest agents the Bureau has in the SLC area.

Valadez had a music project titled “God’s Finest Scalpel” and released a digital album in April called “Death to American Scum,” which reportedly included the track titled “Charlie Kirk’s Death Isn’t Enough for Me.”

As The Gateway Pundit was screen-shotting and archiving his Facebook account, it was pulled down by either Valadez himself or Meta.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.c...lieve-they-may-have/

The effect of this on young men:

If you haven't noticed, young men have gone VERY conservative of late. The spread between young male conservatism and young female liberalism is huge.

Young white men have been told for a couple decades that they are toxic that their male ancestors were the root of all evil and that they need to step aside and let women and minorities move up. "The future is feminine" and "we don't need any men" are common sayings.

Young white men were raised to be non-racist, listening to rap music, watching black athletes. There could have been a post-racial culture, but no, as soon as they were willing to be equal, they were double crossed and told they had to take a back seat.

Female dominated education has pathologized normal young male behavior, diagnosed it as hyperactive, medicated it, while eliminating outside recess that boys need to work off energy.

Boys have fallen behind girls in K-12, college degrees, and graduate degrees. When girls were behind they needed encouragement and opportunity, and got it, and flourished. Now the boys get victim blamed for their situation and told they are worthless and lazy.

Women have demanded "equality" in pay such that there is zero pay gap now, and in many urban areas young women get paid more than men. Dating apps now allow young women easier access to older and more affluent men, which they often date instead of men their age. Then they shame the young men for being "poor" and not being able to pay for nice dates and vacations and gifts that the older men can afford. Or the women chase the top 10% attractive men and essentially share them with other women in "situationships". About 60% of young women say they are in a relationship compared to only 30% of young men. Many young men report zero romantic interactions with women in the past year.

Young men found solace in movies and video games. But no, they couldn't leave that alone so now we have woke gay and trans characters in super hero movies and video games.

Since George Floyd's death, S&P 100 companies have hired only 6% white men.

Housing prices are out of control and seemingly out of grasp for most.

And now they killed the leading conservative voice of their generation that was teaching them to value church, family, children.


It's going to get a LOT more conservative...

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Originally posted by wcb6092:
https://rumble.com/v593vr1-cha...rc_v1_s%2Csrc_v1_s_m

Thank you for posting this, wcb6092.


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How to crater your career in one easy step.

Could a genuine, honest to God, US Government Secret Service Agent really be SOFA KING stupid to post that?

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Originally posted by Johnny 3eagles:
Could a genuine US Government Secret Service Agent really be SOFA KING stupid to p I st that?

My observations of leftists is that they spout their venom constantly to anyone. Even in mixed company when they have no idea of the politics of the others, they think everyone is like them. This is because conservatives are "others" and not people who are of the same class/education/job. It doesn't occur to them that they should determine whether or not others agree with their position or want to hear it.