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The Cross Still Offends

The bullet tore the air in half.

A folding chair rattled. A Bible dropped. A young man slumped sideways beneath a white event tent, eyes wide with the weight of eternity.

It was supposed to be a conversation. A “prove me wrong” segment. But this time, rebuttal came not with words, but with a rifle.

Charlie Kirk didn’t get to finish his sentence.

I got the news just before prayer meeting. I contemplated this death as I prepared to lead the saints in prayer. But I didn’t feel like praying. Not tonight. My hands were still. My mouth was ready. But my soul was pacing. Angry. Grieving. Tempted.

Tempted to grow quiet.
Tempted to sit this one out.
Tempted to wonder if any of this, faith, boldness, public gospel witness, is still worth it.

Because hatred in this country isn’t simmering anymore. It is boiling.

Europe is trembling. Israel is burning. Rockets lit the sky over Gaza again. And now, here on American soil, the blood of a Christian apologist paints the pavement of a university quad.

What do you do with that?

What do you say when courage gets gunned down in daylight?

Charlie Kirk was no perfect man. None of us are.

But he had backbone where most of us don’t anymore. He was a believer. Unashamed. Unafraid. He understood that real conversations only happen when truth is welcome at the table. And the truth he carried most was Christ.

He brought the gospel into public space on purpose. Because the gospel isn’t supposed to stay in church basements and private Bible studies. It is meant to confront. It is supposed to offend. It was not made for safety.

The Word became flesh and they nailed Him to a tree.

So of course they came for Charlie.

Of course they reached for a gun.

This is what evil does when it runs out of arguments. It doesn’t reason. It kills.

That’s the part that catches in my throat. Not just the sadness, but the strategy of hell behind it.

The Enemy wants us afraid.

He wants us to see what happened to Charlie and backpedal.

He wants the rest of us to whisper, to soften the message, to believe the lie that faith should stay private.

But Christ never whispered.

He preached in temples, on hillsides, in courtrooms, at dinner tables.

And when they told Him to be quiet, He picked up His cross.

Not a symbolic one.
A real one.
Heavy. Bloody. Splintered.

When Jesus said, “Follow Me,” He didn’t hand out maps. He handed out crosses.

That’s what I remembered tonight.

I sat in our prayer space, surrounded by saints who had brought prayer lists and worn Bibles. And I realized I didn’t want to lead them in mourning. I didn’t want to lead them in mourning. I wanted to lead them into battle. Not with banners or fists, but with open Bibles and tear-stained prayers.

The kind of war that kneels in gravel beside the wounded, hands them living water, and refuses to leave. The kind that speaks both mercy and judgment without flinching. The kind Charlie died for.

This world is not a friend to grace. But grace isn’t fragile.

“Who shall separate us from the love of Christ?”

Paul didn’t leave that question unanswered.

“Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword?”
—Romans 8:35

He piles up every fear you and I carry and then sets them on fire.

“No. In all these things we are more than conquerors.”

That means bullets don’t win. Slander doesn’t win. Prison bars don’t win. Death doesn’t win.

You can lose everything in this world and still walk into glory with your head lifted high. Because the love of God in Christ Jesus isn’t suspended by headlines or gunfire.

There are two worlds unfolding right now.

The one you see.
And the one you don’t.
One is filled with chaos. The other is filled with crowns.

I believe that when Charlie Kirk’s body slumped to the concrete, his soul stood upright in heaven. Not limping. Not silenced. Not stunned. But crowned.
He didn’t fall.
He crossed.

The great cloud of witnesses gained another voice.
And I wonder if Stephen met him there.

The first martyr.

The man who got stoned for preaching what the crowd didn’t want to hear.

The man who, in his final breath, saw the heavens open.
The only time in all of Scripture we see Jesus standing at the right hand of God, rising to receive one of His own.

I like to believe He stood again.

Are you afraid?

Do you feel the tremble in your spirit?

Do you wonder if it’s still worth it to speak boldly, to carry your Bible, to preach the gospel in a world that doesn’t just disagree but wants you gone?

You’re not alone.
You’re not weak for feeling that.
But you are called to something stronger than silence.

Don’t let fear become your theology.

The cost is high. But the reward?

The reward is Christ. And He’s not a concept. He’s a King.
Heaven is not empty.

It is filled with scarred saints who refused to bow to fear.
Men who were stoned.
Women who were burned.
Children who sang while the flames climbed.

And every last one of them arrived.

There is no difficulty that can cancel the promise of God.

There is no persecution that can derail your destination.
There is no sniper’s bullet that can separate a soul from Christ.

Your life is not measured by how long you live on earth, but by how much of it was spent pointing to heaven.

Paul said, “I have fought the good fight… I have kept the faith.”

Then he looked toward the reward.
Not a monument. Not a mention in history books.
But a crown.
Handed to him by the One with nail marks still in His hands.

So let me say this clearly.
We do not mourn like the world mourns.
We do not write eulogies dripping with sentiment.
We sing songs of resurrection.
We carry the banner of a Kingdom that does not tremble.

Charlie Kirk did not die for nothing.

He died carrying the same message you and I must now carry forward.

The cross stands tall.
The tomb is still empty.
And the gospel has not lost one ounce of power.

So pick up your cross.
Wipe your eyes.
And keep going.

The crown is worth it.
The King is coming.
And there’s still time to speak.

Even if they shoot.

Lord, give us courage.
And if not safety, give us joy.
For we carry not just the message, but the marks.
And You are worth every bruise.


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Had to make an early morning trip into Anchorage to get the Jeep serviced. Individual standing at the entrance to the highway in the rain and 54 degree weather holding a sign,

“I’m here because Charlie Kirk can’t be.”




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I'm just going to say this, and I know some people really won't like it.

The temptation to paint this in purely a Christian context is a mistake.

Charlie wasn't killed because he was a Christian, he was killed because he was a well-spoken, intelligent conservative. He was unafraid. He wouldn't be silenced. He couldn't be out-debated.

That's why he was assassinated. The Christian white male husband to a beautiful blonde wife and father to a young boy and girl is merely the cherry on top for these people.

The Christian thing is an "also," not the "because." Let's not get it twisted. They'll happily murder Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Atheists, Agnostics, whoever speaks up against leftism. We all get to deal with this, whether you want to view it as picking up your own cross, or not.

I just think it's a mistake to try to frame this thing as a Christian persecution, this is entirely political, and the religious aspects of it are ancillary.


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^^^ 100%.


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I entered the thread this morning to post the words of Nick Freitas, Virginia State Representative. Oddball posted it a couple pages earlier. Lots of people have made posts here, and many whose name recognition grabs attention have made posts concerning the political assassination of Charlie Kirk—none get to the heart of the matter quite like Nick Freitas’ words.


I can almost always count on Nick to express exactly how I feel more eloquently than I could. This is no exception. Thanks Oddball for posting that.


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With the downward slope, an experienced shooter would likely have known to aim lower to compensate. I believe this shot was meant to go center mass but rose with lessened gravity. The shooter had some luck to get any kind of hit.

So the Jason Bourne thing is out the window already.
 
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^^^ 100%.

I also agree.
 
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I am a Christian before I am MAGA or any other label. Christianity is all that matters to me. My priorities are 1. God 2. Family 3. Country. I will believe the assassination of Charlie Kirk is because he is Christian, because all other labels do not matter. Peace Be With You.


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I don't agree with smudge. But I understand his sentiment.

Coming back to this thread this morning. I am sad for Charlie's family. His wife, children, parents and other family. The unimaginable pain they bear has to be the worst. I pray for them.



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Charlie wasn't killed because he was a Christian



Then you know little about who he even was.

It was his faith that was the foundation of his conservatism. Not the other way around.


 
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With the downward slope, an experienced shooter would likely have known to aim lower to compensate. I believe this shot was meant to go center mass but rose with lessened gravity. The shooter had some luck to get any kind of hit.

So the Jason Bourne thing is out the window already.


Since we're playing armchair sniper, it's just as likely they aimed for the head but it dropped lower because the shooter didn't compensate properly for bullet drop at that range.
 
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I'm just going to say this, and I know some people really won't like it.

The temptation to paint this in purely a Christian context is a mistake.

Charlie wasn't killed because he was a Christian, he was killed because he was a well-spoken, intelligent conservative. He was unafraid. He wouldn't be silenced. He couldn't be out-debated.

That's why he was assassinated. The Christian white male husband to a beautiful blonde wife and father to a young boy and girl is merely the cherry on top for these people.

The Christian thing is an "also," not the "because." Let's not get it twisted. They'll happily murder Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Atheists, Agnostics, whoever speaks up against leftism. We all get to deal with this, whether you want to view it as picking up your own cross, or not.

I just think it's a mistake to try to frame this thing as a Christian persecution, this is entirely political, and the religious aspects of it are ancillary.


I believe anyone who thinks this way is spiritually blind.
There is a demonic outpouring disguised as mental illness, political differences, etc.
This is spiritual warfare, period.

The truth that some cannot see it, is proof enough of absolute truth.

Yet, we shouldn't be surprised at this "blindness", the devil himself is described as "an angel of light".
I expect nothing less from those believing the lie and walking in darkness.
Nothing new under the sun.


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At this point we do not know the exact reason, Christian, conservative or both. But it is most likely one of those choices.
 
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New York Post has a photo of the rifle. It has a scope.

https://nypost.com/2025/09/11/...-shot-with-revealed/


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I wonder what effect this murder might have on the 'Gen-Z' youth that Charlie was so very effective with? It has been said many times that the Lord moves in mysterious ways. I have to believe that many of these kids will now be totally motivated to fight woke more than ever.

Who knows? The butterfly effect from this terrible day will do something. The net effect may wind up being what saves us all.
 
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Someone explain to me why the security team didn't have a drone. Anyone please explain it to me. I see all these tough 5.11 tac guys acting the part, but you put your client in the bottom of a pit of buildings and had 0 plan for this.

I am at a total loss for words. You were paid to protect this man and you did not. You witnessed this very thing a year ago, a rooftop looney in the most widely publicize attempted assassination in the history of the world and you did nothing to prevent it. Every realtor within 100 miles of this location has access to a drone, but laughably the "security team" did not.

Now I watch all sorts of tactical teams strapping themselves to bearcats to roam the campus and I am at a loss for words.

I'm angry. Yes I'm angry at the shooter lord yes I am. But I am similarly angry with "professionals" hired to do a task and they fail so absurdly miserably. Right before the shot I see the detail to Charlie's immediate right looking at his phone. I hope that was a work message, some kind of active alert from his team. Because if it's neighbor posting about a lost dog on facebook, I'm going to face stomp that stupid shit.


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A near 200yd hit with an ironsighted .30-06 surplus Mauser, first round cold shot, from an elevated position?

Poorly done hand engraving on cases with a Dremel or 'professionally' executed?

If true,

Extremely lucky, crazy amateur or experienced shooter with time and resources to practice with this weapon??

The investigators are surely considering these things.


Not difficult at all with the K98, at least with the original 8MM cartridge.
 
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A near 200yd hit with an ironsighted .30-06 surplus Mauser, first round cold shot, from an elevated position?

Poorly done hand engraving on cases with a Dremel or 'professionally' executed?

If true,

Extremely lucky, crazy amateur or experienced shooter with time and resources to practice with this weapon??

The investigators are surely considering these things.


Not difficult at all with the K98, at least with the original 8MM cartridge.

If the pictures they are showing are correct, its a modern scoped rifle.
 
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