I wouldn't be concerned with THAT mileage on the 5.7L. That seems to be the question rather than the price.

I can't tell you what to do but I'll tell you what I did.

I wanted a Toyota Truck, but the used ones were all like insane people had priced them. (import cars generally are like this)

Figured new would be the way to go. Tundras in 2016 were @ 46,000 and Tacomas were @35000 - sticker price, they were not dickering here at all and they were selling all they could get: at sticker price. Wow.

Accidentally looked at a F-150. It was 10 times the truck the Tacoma was, got better mileage, towed more etc AND they were taking $12M off sticker. So it was $33,000.

It only lacks the reputation of the Toyota, but we haven't put a nickel into it yet other than maintenance.

So good luck with your choices.

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Originally posted by Black92LX:

I am leaning towards ICON 2.5s.

Do some serious research before buying Icons. Shitty warranty support. Even worse customer service. There are far better options from companies that don’t screw people over on the regular.

Bilstein B8 8112, Fox (any of them)... Heck, if you want to do it on a budget and still get a superior ride and handling over stock, look at the Bilstein 6112 for the front and the 5160 for the rear. If you want to keep lifetime warranty on both the front and rear, go with the 6112/5100. It’s a pretty damn decent setup, and it’ll cost you less than $1k.

One other thing to note, if this is a truck you plan to do a lot of off roading in, you may want to reconsider the Tacoma. It might be different in Kentucky, but here, the trails and places I have been going, you would struggle and in many places be SOL in a Tundra. They’re too big. Trucks have grown so much over the last 20 years. I parked next to a late 90’s/early 2000’s Chevy full size truck. The Tacoma is almost the same damn size. It doesn’t seem that big when you park next to some of the new full size trucks. Back to my point though, if you plan to do a fair bit of off roading, make sure it’ll fit.

Here is a big reason I am shying away from the F150!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/auto...r-brakes/ar-BB15lu2V

This is the SECOND brake recall Ford has done on the F150!
I experienced this failure on my Expedition and it was a catastrophic brake failure. I lost all brakes after only getting the brake light about 1 minute before trying to stop. Fortunately I was in a place I could decelerate and slowly stop in a Walmart lot. Filled it up with fluid made it home and lost the brakes again.
They towed it for free under warranty. I was over mileage warranty and under year warranty. They would not cover the master cylinder or brake booster. This was during the first F150 Recall Ford Service said it was the exact issue the F150s were seeing and they were covered under recall. The Expedition not and cost me $800. While a job I could do myself for about $350 in parts I chose for the dealer to do it hoping to get some sort of reimbursement later due to the known issues.
Filed NHTSC complaints, complaints with the local Ford dealer, Ford Corp national, and never got even a return call, email, or contact from anyone.

I catastrophic brake failure in a 6k pound vehicle is not a pleasant experience and clearly they still have yet to actually fix the problem.

Interesting comments on ICON there Beancooker. I have heard a couple issues with ICON but nothing major.

The Foxes piss me off as you have to remove them from the truck to adjust them. I plan on doing a winch and not sure if I’ll do a full bumper or not. If I do I’ll have to pull them to adjust them for the new weight.

The Tacoma is way too small. I had a 2015 as a work truck. I am 6’2 and have long legs. I had to have the seat all the way back rendering the rear seat almost unusable. Not a chance a kid in a car seat would fit in it alone let alone 3 car seats across.

The trails I will be running here are technically county roads just unmaintaned. They are super rough but wide as logging, coal, oil, and utility trucks use them on occasion.
The Tundra will be fine. I’ll get some pin stripes which is fine.

Guess I’ll dig some more on ICON.

I don't know what the going price is for those is, but it seems like a lot for that many miles.

If it has been for sale for a while at that price, isn't that a sign it is overpriced, lockdown or no lockdown?

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Originally posted by jhe888:
I don't know what the going price is for those is, but it seems like a lot for that many miles.

If it has been for sale for a while at that price, isn't that a sign it is overpriced, lockdown or no lockdown?

Not worried about price as that is just the asking price and certainly would negotiate down more questioning the mileage.

Another thing you might want to consider with a Tundra is fuel mileage. The 5.7 liter V8 with 4.30 gears is thirsty, but shouldn't leave you wanting for more power.

I have a 2019 Tundra Limited TRD Off Road Double Cab. We're empty nesters and I wanted the 6.5 foot bed. Lots of things I like about it, but a couple of things I hate. The sound system sucks donkey balls, paint is softer than shit (look at it wrong and it'll scratch), and the lack of power folding mirrors is ridiculous in this day and age.

Had 1,575 miles on it when I got it and I paid $35k. 51-year old guy bought it, made two payments, and died from the flu. I bought it from his widow. Had some extras like BFG KO2s, spray in bedliner, and Husky floor mats.

I drove a 1999 Suburban for 15 years (paid off for 12 years) and saved my $$$ along the way to buy a new truck when the time came.

I don't get the blind fanaticism over Taco's and Tundras.

The past 2-3 weeks I have gone with a buddy to look at new pickups. We visited the local Chevrolet/Toyota stealer and looked at both brands.

All sorts of room to discount on the Chevy Colorados and full sized trucks. Jim is interested in a mid sized so we looked at the Colorados and Tacomas. The Colorado drove fine, 3.6 liter V6. Sales guy immediately dropped it from $42K to $37K with 1.9% finance , etc.

Looked at Tacomas and not only sticker, but a few Dealer add ons as well. Would not budge from the sticker price. I thought the interior was dated, the interior was noisy with a "crackly" cheap sounding radio. As well as DRUM BRAKES! I had no idea drum brakes were on much of anything anymore.

Don't get the love on these things...NOT for the high asking price.

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Originally posted by FN in MT:
I don't get the blind fanaticism over Taco's and Tundras.

The past 2-3 weeks I have gone with a buddy to look at new pickups. We visited the local Chevrolet/Toyota stealer and looked at both brands.

All sorts of room to discount on the Chevy Colorados and full sized trucks. Jim is interested in a mid sized so we looked at the Colorados and Tacomas. The Colorado drove fine, 3.6 liter V6. Sales guy immediately dropped it from $42K to $37K with 1.9% finance , etc.

Looked at Tacomas and not only sticker, but a few Dealer add ons as well. Would not budge from the sticker price. I thought the interior was dated, the interior was noisy with a "crackly" cheap sounding radio. As well as DRUM BRAKES! I had no idea drum brakes were on much of anything anymore.

Don't get the love on these things...NOT for the high asking price.

Get back to us in five years when your buddy goes to sell his Colorado.

A LOT of miles in three years would have to have a lot of highway miles.
If mostly highway miles then that is not as hard on the engine as city miles.
86K is not a terribly lot of miles now days but you would have to do your own comparison research on whether or not it is a "value".
Good Luck

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Originally posted by FN in MT:
I don't get the blind fanaticism over Taco's and Tundras.

The past 2-3 weeks I have gone with a buddy to look at new pickups. We visited the local Chevrolet/Toyota stealer and looked at both brands.

All sorts of room to discount on the Chevy Colorados and full sized trucks. Jim is interested in a mid sized so we looked at the Colorados and Tacomas. The Colorado drove fine, 3.6 liter V6. Sales guy immediately dropped it from $42K to $37K with 1.9% finance , etc.

Looked at Tacomas and not only sticker, but a few Dealer add ons as well. Would not budge from the sticker price. I thought the interior was dated, the interior was noisy with a "crackly" cheap sounding radio. As well as DRUM BRAKES! I had no idea drum brakes were on much of anything anymore.

Don't get the love on these things...NOT for the high asking price.

And why would you say it's "blind"? Some of us have many years of experience with these trucks and heavily researched the differences before making our purchase decision. Nothing blind about it.

It's known they won't have every new tech gizmo in them, but Toyota trucks are proven to have superior long term reliability. Some people are willing to pay for that, so the dealer doesn't have to move as much on the price. The big 3 rely on much more sales volume so they are constantly using incentives to push inventory out the door. I was able to get my 2014 Tundra new for $6k off MSRP so there are decent deals out there if you shop around.

The Tundra also happened to be the most made in the USA vehicle of any car sold in America at that time. The Colorado you looked at was likely made in Mexico like several other GM trucks. "Foreign" companies like Toyota and Honda (and many others) have invested billions in new USA factories and facilities over the years, employing thousands of American non-union employees, and selling several hundred thousand of made in the USA vehicles each year. GM continues to shutter US plants while they invest more in foreign countries. But their trucks are a little cheaper!

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Looked at Tacomas and not only sticker, but a few Dealer add ons as well. Would not budge from the sticker price. I thought the interior was dated, the interior was noisy with a "crackly" cheap sounding radio. As well as DRUM BRAKES! I had no idea drum brakes were on much of anything anymore.

Don't get the love on these things...NOT for the high asking price.

Heretic!! Blasphemer!!

LOL God forbid you should enter the Toyota Homer thread and question the all mighty Tundraphiles Prepare to be flogged !

I wouldn't be all that worried about the miles if it's been well maintained without any accident damage. The price itself looks kind of high but I haven't researched it so that's a shoot from the hip assessment from me.
I know you didn't ask this and I don't know anything about your personal finances. Like Para, my concern whenever I see these automotive questions and price/payment is a concern for the amount of dollars people waste on what are essentially expensive toys.
If you are the type that can just stoke the check and are just trying to get a good deal, fine.
I spent a number of years in the auto business in a variety positions and watched people bury themselves in a quickly depreciating asset (if asset is even the right term).
My interest in cars is the utilitarian use for reliable safe transportation at the lowest cost in the long term. Others may look on this much differently, like a piece of jewelry, and I understand that. I was also able to make a good living off that mindset for many years.
Once again, you didn't ask that and if I've overstepped, please excuse me and go on with your search.

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I spent a number of years in the auto business in a variety positions and watched people bury themselves in a quickly depreciating asset (if asset is even the right term).

Yep, I have several relatives in the business from owner, general manager to sales persons and you can't fathom the crazy shit that goes on, and for every "bad salesman" story there are 3 or 4 on customers who make bad deals even when they know it's bad.

People always blame the dealer/sales person, but the fact is the customer makes the decision to buy and at what cost (cost meaning the whole deal), everyone can say no. Dealers are under no obligation to be financial planners/advisors.

My SIL has told me about people who know it's not wise to buy a new vehicle and they just don't care, they'll go negative for any number of reasons.


Back to the OP, Toyhomerism aside, I'd think you could find a better truck, Toyota, Ford, whatever for the same money with less miles.

Used Market is a bit hot now, dealers are moving them and they make a lot more money on a used car over a new vehicle. Rebates on new trucks, Toyota, Ford, GM, Nissan are huge, and interest rates low. I'd opt for a less optioned new with warranty truck for the same money.

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Originally posted by SIG228:

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Originally posted by FN in MT:
I don't get the blind fanaticism over Taco's and Tundras.

The past 2-3 weeks I have gone with a buddy to look at new pickups. We visited the local Chevrolet/Toyota stealer and looked at both brands.

All sorts of room to discount on the Chevy Colorados and full sized trucks. Jim is interested in a mid sized so we looked at the Colorados and Tacomas. The Colorado drove fine, 3.6 liter V6. Sales guy immediately dropped it from $42K to $37K with 1.9% finance , etc.

Looked at Tacomas and not only sticker, but a few Dealer add ons as well. Would not budge from the sticker price. I thought the interior was dated, the interior was noisy with a "crackly" cheap sounding radio. As well as DRUM BRAKES! I had no idea drum brakes were on much of anything anymore.

Don't get the love on these things...NOT for the high asking price.

Get back to us in five years when your buddy goes to sell his Colorado.

I have no skin in this fight, simply making an observation as I looked at trucks recently.

Pay MORE for the Tacoma vs the Chevrolet. Then in 5 years get a little more if you sell it. Are you getting the DIFFERENCE between what you paid for the two? I doubt it.

I'm sorry I can't help but realize the Taco's are overpriced for the level of technology or equipment compared to a similarly priced Chevy.

The interior is weird, like you're sitting in a car, not upright like in a truck. The interior is cheap looking, Crap sound system. I don't care if I get ALL my purchase price back in 5 yrs..It's a crappy interior. I have to sit there.

Also noticed the frame is not a rectangular piece os steel. It's only 3 sided like a "C". Didn't they have rust through frame issues some time back?

Plus DRUM brakes? Sorry thats 1980's technology. The sales guy went on and on like he was selling Mercedes. It's an unremarkable product with a silly high sticker price.

I wouldn’t but I’m anal about taking care of my stuff. I would never spend that much money on something that could have had 85k hard miles and then was cleaned up to sell. I’ve seen guys selling their diesel pickups with close to 200k miles for 30-40 grand. The engine may be able to take it but that’s a lot of wear on everything else, I’d find something else.

You should be a 7 series with a V12, and a Jeep or something.

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Originally posted by SevenPlusOne:
You should be a 7 series with a V12, and a Jeep or something.

Glad practicality squashed that idea pretty quickly.
It would have been fun that is for sure.

His mind is made up. He will buy this one or it's equal. All he wants is validation.

Don't get the crew cab, you will regret the short bed.

I like my Toyota's, but I would look around. Look south of where you are located.

I considered buying new a few months ago, and a Toyota dealer just 75 minutes away had the same exact truck for about 6k less. That was on a 2020 Tundra