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Originally posted by parabellum:
Oh, yeah. Black's just rollin' in dough, right?

I'm shocked at the prices people are willing to pay for transportation these days. All these cars are going to end up as lawn furniture and soup cans within your lifetime. Just plain obscene.

The decadence of our credit-driven society means just one thing to me- we deserve whatever we get, and I'm not talking about material goods.

I’m going on year 21 for a truck I paid that much for, I wouldn’t call that a waist. I also didn’t incur any debt when I purchased it so the best I can tell I did okay.

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Only thing is it appears to have been for sale since March. Normally that would be a little rise for concern but the truck is in Ohio ...

I don't know where this dealer is, but it seems to have spent a lot of time in Columbus. Maybe it hasn't moved because it's a rust bucket underneath.

Para is correct on this, I like Toyota’s and drive them and my Lexus, but that kind of money for a 5 year old TRD is rich.

Sounds like a better deal around 24k to me.
That truck new is well over 50K, as Black knows.

The V8 in these trucks will go forever.

I've put well over a million miles on Tacomas and one T100.

Buy once, cry once.

As far as the that's too much money for any vehicle sentiment, If you have a family of 4-5 and like to vacation and take road trips, a $10K shit box or 20 year old single cab pick up just wont get it done.

If I was a bachelor and only drove locally, sure, a $5k used car would be fine.

Reliable, safe and capable transportation ain't cheap these days.

The wife is looking at the new 2020 Highlanders, we now have grand kids to tote around.
They can stretch to to $50k for a loaded model.
I've got here looking at more of mid trim level, still over 40K.

Toyota and Honda are definitely worth a premium for reliability and resale.

Not a Tundra, but I was looking for a used Tacoma. Best I could find was one with 80k miles on it for $20k. I said screw that, and spent $5k more for a brand new truck. This was back in 2011. I only have 46k miles on it. Prices of vehicles these days are stupid ridiculous. I remember my father buying a brand new Mercedes 190SL for $10k. I forget what year it was. Late 1950's I think.

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If you have a family of 4-5 and like to vacation and take road trips, a $10K shit box or 20 year old single cab pick up just wont get it done.

I have a family of 6. We drive to Florida from Indiana 2-3x a year, and typically take one or two long distance road trip vacations per year, pulling a trailer. In the last 5 years, we've driven our 2003 Suburban to California once, Virginia twice, Wyoming 3x, Colorado once, and Arizona once. I bought it for $3000 with 250k on it. It has 385k on it today, and still going strong. Maintain your stuff, treat it right, and it will take care of you. I'd get in that truck tomorrow and drive to the west coast if I had to...thats how confident I am in it.

You can get good reliable transportation without breaking the bank if you have a litle mechanical savvy (which i know the OP does) and a willingness to buy stuff with a reputation for reliability. Personally my budget is pretty limited, and I prefer to spend my money going and doing stuff rather than dumping it into payments on the vehicle I use to get there.

And no, I would not pay $29k for a 5 year old truck with 80k on it...unless I had the cash in the bank and absolutely nothing else to spend it on...and even then I'd probably still shop for a better deal.

The Son was looking during the height of the Covid. A Tacoma with a fair amount of bells & whistles was about $31.5k, new.

We ended up going a different direction, Mazda 3.

The other Son has a used Tundra, 2013, 80k miles, $21.5k. The frame is surprisingly clean for a N IL truck. I looked at two in MO that were worse, one was from NY. Just some general info.

I have a 55k miles 6.5 y/o Subaru Crosstrek and this year I had to do two CV axels in the front and two wheel bearings in the back. Thou$ands...

I mention this only so the mileage might be divorced from two FAR more relevant items of concern were I buying a used car.

1. Number of winters it has been exposed to?
2. Were those winters in Western PA? (I think you could substitute Ohio just the same).

The caustic road salt and de-icing spray, and the ghastly terrible road conditions are just brutal on cars here. Since you mentioned your area didn't get locked down at the dealers, perhaps you're in an area where the owners and milage wear cars out more so than the DOT their methods, and thus this information is important to you.

Toyota has $2,500 factory cash on a new one now too. So the gap (albeit slightly) has narrowed further. Thus, one thing that wasn't mentioned is just offering them mid trade-in value minus $2500, or bottom retail minus $2500. They might bite. Who knows how little they paid for it?,.. but you can count on the fact it was DAMN little.

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Originally posted by Beancooker:
Jeremy, that’s too damn much for that many miles. Get one with lower miles, save the money and mod it yourself. The fox shocks are great, but you can get an SR5 or an off road for far less and add the Fox shocks, or some Kings.

This was the thought but the thought of not having to do anything but buy rock sliders and swap the tires I already have on it was appealing.
Then I learned the the 15 Pros only come with Bilsteins and not the Foxes.
So I’d say this one is out unless I can get a killer deal.
I am leaning towards ICON 2.5s. I would love to do the Kings but their cheapest set of rears is $900. I am not that deep in it to justify that.

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Originally posted by SIG228:
Seems you change vehicles like most people change underwear. Strange, really. I've had two vehicles in the last 15 years.

Here recently that seems to be the case. But is not the usual practice. All our other vehicles prior to my last two we kept for 7-10 years. The van I was trying to do the growing family thing and just got a van. Well that sucked and was complete misery. I should have bought the Land Cruiser instead of the Van and I would still have the LC. Dumped the van after a year for my Expedition which I have now had for 3 years. It was going to be the family mover and off-roader. Wife now has the Suburban which is our family mover.
I want a truck and I want to off-road. I like the Expedition but no one makes solid off road parts for it (outside of ICONs top of the line $5k kit) and I am tired of trying to tweak F150 parts work. I have torn this suspension down more than I have been off-road. Also will have to do custom sliders and winch mount for the Expedition which I really don’t have time to cool with.
The Tundra is an older platform and there are tons of proven bolt on options. The plan is to keep this truck for a long long time.

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Originally posted by Riley:
Nope. Two issue you’ll maybe but probably be looking at. A water pump and very likely the Air Injection Pump(s) $700 and $1800 respectively, locally.

I’ll need to read up on the water pump. Been researching these trucks quite a bit and you’re the first person mention the water pump.
Now the air injection pump is a sell know problem. If mine goes bad there is not a chance in the world I would put that useless piece of garbage back on the truck. I’ll just bypass it for a few hundred bucks.

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Originally posted by jimmy123x:

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Originally posted by SIG228:
Seems you change vehicles like most people change underwear. Strange, really. I've had two vehicles in the last 15 years.

These are my thoughts and I was under the impression you wanted an F150 to utilize a bunch of parts you already have. If I was spending $29k, I'd honestly spend a little more and get a brand new truck and keep it a long time and would be looking at an F-150 over a Tundra. You can buy 2019's right now, brand new and pretty well reduced. Interest rates will be cheaper than a used vehicle.

That was the plan but not fully off the table. In comparing the Ford and the Toyota I prefer the Tundra. I can sell the parts off the Expedition easy enough.
The Expedition is paid of and will cover the vast majority of the truck so I am not worried about the interest rate as I’ll only finance for a couple months if I need to get a better deal if I buy from a dealership.
Pricing Fords they aren’t much cheaper at all used to the Tundra.
And for longevity and reliability Toyota wins by a mile (and remember I am a Ford guy).


I will say that in researching/shopping there are tons of 150-225k mile Tundras out there and a few F150s getting above 150k.
It amazes me how many folks are buying Tundras with 125k or more miles.
Though if you look at Land Cruisers 125k is just getting started those are seen with 225k and rolling heavy all day long.

I'm a big Toyota fanboy.
My current driver is a 2018 TRD Taco ; my fifth Taco.
Price on the Tundra you are considering appears high with the number of miles.
Frame condition and potential rust are factors to be considered.

I wouldn't buy anything that has been in the rust belt for five years. Very good chance it's a rusty mess underneath

I have a 2017 Tundra TRD Pro and love it. I plan to drive it until it dies. I would have no issues at all buying a 2015 Tundra with 83K miles on it, but I wouldn't buy it for anywhere near that price. I think there are much better deals to be found.

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Would you buy a 2015 Toyota Tundra TRD Pro with 83k miles??

Not for 29k... no way.

However, I'm always amused by Black's car threads.

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Originally posted by chellim1:

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Would you buy a 2015 Toyota Tundra TRD Pro with 83k miles??

Not for 29k... no way.

However, I'm always amused by Black's car threads.

I would not for 29k either that is just the asking price.
It’s been there for 3 months so clearly it is high. Main question was about the 83k miles. Probably was not worded well in the thread.

But it really does not matter what you are looking at CrewCab trucks are just silly expensive all around.

I’ve also got my eye on a 2016 with 60k for a couple thousand cheaper but not a Pro but it is red. The ruby metallic type and not sports car red. Not a huge fan of red trucks. But can deal with the ruby much better than the sports car red.

My Expedition is a 16 with 75k miles.

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Main question was about the 83k miles.

It depends on where it was driven.
As others have pointed out, salt kills.

Here's a 2015 TRD Pro with 55K miles for $29,781 in my neck of the woods. 2 owner but the dealer its at is well respected around here. My family has bought used vehicles from them several times.

https://www.kbford.net/used/To...tm?searchDepth=10:11

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Originally posted by sigarms229:
Here's a 2015 TRD Pro with 55K miles for $29,781 in my neck of the woods. 2 owner but the dealer its at is well respected around here. My family has bought used vehicles from them several times.

https://www.kbford.net/used/To...tm?searchDepth=10:11

That is a Ford dealer that does not understand Toyota trim lines.
It’s a TRD but not a TRD Pro. That is about inline with price and mileage I am seeing here as well.

Wow, money doesn't go far these days. I bought a 2018 Tacoma SR5 4x4 new on the lot almost 2 years ago for $30,200. I just got the oil changed last week, and the dealer offered me $28,700 for it.

Greens Toyota there in Lexington lists a 2019 with just 16,000 miles for $29,5. And its a Toyota dealer.

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Originally posted by David Lee:
Greens Toyota there in Lexington lists a 2019 with just 16,000 miles for $29,5. And its a Toyota dealer.

It’s only a double cab.
Double cabs are running about $5k cheaper than the similar CrewCab.