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Originally posted by bigdeal:
Ford has built yet another turd that's not going to do anything to bolster Ford sales.

Isn't that what Ford is supposed to do? If I was a shareholder, I would hope they are trying to increase sales.

The blue one looks like it would be outperformed by a Subaru... The silver one? Now we're talking!

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Spot on. I might actually change my mind now. I still wish it a solid front axle but the 4 Runner doesn't and it's competent.

Yeah, 2 door hard top on the silver one with a stick and the coyote v8. Dark blue on black and I'm in line for one. And I don't really even like fords.

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Originally posted by wolfe 21:
Yeah, 2 door hard top on the silver one with a stick and the coyote v8. Dark blue on black and I'm in line for one. And I don't really even like fords.

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Originally posted by jhe888:

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Originally posted by bigdeal:
Ford has built yet another turd that's not going to do anything to bolster Ford sales.

Isn't that what Ford is supposed to do? If I was a shareholder, I would hope they are trying to increase sales.

And do you really think that blue turd is going to do anything to improve Ford sales numbers? And if current history is any indicator, those who do buy one will spend a significant amount of time in the service department having recalls addressed.

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Originally posted by BB61:
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Spot on. I might actually change my mind now. I still wish it a solid front axle but the 4 Runner doesn't and it's competent.

Sorry, but the marketing Ford has been shoveling is pitting this vehicle against the Jeep Wrangler product line. Without a solid front axle, there's no way one of these will compete head to head with a modded Wrangler when the Wrangler releases its swaybar links and gets real bendy. Ford had better not be stupid enough to built these with IFS if the vehicle is to have any offroad cred.

bigdeal, you do know that they'll sell those things to Europeans and housewives, right?

Won't beta test, but did someone say "manual transmission"?

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Originally posted by Il Cattivo:
bigdeal, you do know that they'll sell those things to Europeans and housewives, right?

Which one? The blue mini-Bronco? Not likely given the very good competition in that segment today. The big Bronco is still a complete wild card given we still don't know anything for sure about it yet.

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Originally posted by BB61:
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Spot on. I might actually change my mind now. I still wish it a solid front axle but the 4 Runner doesn't and it's competent.

Sorry, but the marketing Ford has been shoveling is pitting this vehicle against the Jeep Wrangler product line. Without a solid front axle, there's no way one of these will compete head to head with a modded Wrangler when the Wrangler releases its swaybar links and gets real bendy. Ford had better not be stupid enough to built these with IFS if the vehicle is to have any offroad cred.[/QUOTE]

I know, right???? IFS and off road credibility don’t mix.
Never seen a capable off road vehicle with an IFS hang with a Jeep.

Ohh wait, Never mind the Toyota 4Runner, Tacoma, Tundra, Fj Cruiser, 200 series Land Cruiser, Ford Raptor, and so on do it everyday.

What on earth are you talking about????

Is an IFS truck going to go bouldering like an solid axle truck? Certainly not but the bouldering aspect is not at all what Ford has ever marketed the Bronco for and highly doubt anyone is planning to buy one for that.

Il Cattivo, Yes you heard that right. Honestly, it would be STUPID if Ford didn’t offer a stick. If they TRUELY want to go after the Jeep Wrangler and build a proper Bronco why give your competitor an advantage? Hopefully Ford doesn’t act like the idiots at Toyota who brought back the Supra and didn’t think people would care that it’s auto only and a Z4. I think Ford will do better than Toyota did when they resurrected an iconic name.

So pardon a dumb question from someone who has never off-roaded beyond fire service roads....

What is the benefit of a solid front axle over IFS on a truck?

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Originally posted by 911Boss:
So pardon a dumb question from someone who has never off-roaded beyond fire service roads....

What is the benefit of a solid front axle over IFS on a truck?

I'm curious as well. My first thought was articulation limits are reached quicker with IFS?

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Originally posted by Black92LX:

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Originally posted by BB61:
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Spot on. I might actually change my mind now. I still wish it a solid front axle but the 4 Runner doesn't and it's competent.

Sorry, but the marketing Ford has been shoveling is pitting this vehicle against the Jeep Wrangler product line. Without a solid front axle, there's no way one of these will compete head to head with a modded Wrangler when the Wrangler releases its swaybar links and gets real bendy. Ford had better not be stupid enough to built these with IFS if the vehicle is to have any offroad cred.

I know, right???? IFS and off road credibility don’t mix.
Never seen a capable off road vehicle with an IFS hang with a Jeep.

Ohh wait, Never mind the Toyota 4Runner, Tacoma, Tundra, Fj Cruiser, 200 series Land Cruiser, Ford Raptor, and so on do it everyday.

What on earth are you talking about????

Is an IFS truck going to go bouldering like an solid axle truck? Certainly not but the bouldering aspect is not at all what Ford has ever marketed the Bronco for and highly doubt anyone is planning to buy one for that.[/QUOTE]
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Black I’m sorry but while those US Toyota’s might be alright for dirt roads they will not stand up to hard use day after day. The only Toyota’s that are super reliable and capable are the 79 and 110 Series Land Cruisers. Unfortunately they are not available in the US...
For us in the US Jeeps are the best Offroad vehicle if you’re serious about true Offroad traveling... (flame suit on!).

As far as the Ford Bronco, I’m with the majority in that Ford, once again, is going to miss the mark...

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Originally posted by P250UA5:

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Originally posted by 911Boss:
So pardon a dumb question from someone who has never off-roaded beyond fire service roads....

What is the benefit of a solid front axle over IFS on a truck?

I'm curious as well. My first thought was articulation limits are reached quicker with IFS?

This mainly. But IFS have come a long way and get plenty of travel anymore.
Yeah if you are doing heavy bouldering and rock crawling and you want a solid axle.

But a properly equipped IFS will handle anything 95% of what will be thrown at them.
The Bronco is being marketed to the factory and moderately modified Jeeps.
It will hold it’s own just fine and give a far more comfortable ride doing it.

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What on earth are you talking about????

With all the negative posts from him about FoMoCo, You'd think Henry Ford came back from the grave and took a dump on his front lawn...

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Originally posted by smlsig:

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Originally posted by Black92LX:

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Originally posted by BB61:
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Spot on. I might actually change my mind now. I still wish it a solid front axle but the 4 Runner doesn't and it's competent.

Sorry, but the marketing Ford has been shoveling is pitting this vehicle against the Jeep Wrangler product line. Without a solid front axle, there's no way one of these will compete head to head with a modded Wrangler when the Wrangler releases its swaybar links and gets real bendy. Ford had better not be stupid enough to built these with IFS if the vehicle is to have any offroad cred.

I know, right???? IFS and off road credibility don’t mix.
Never seen a capable off road vehicle with an IFS hang with a Jeep.

Ohh wait, Never mind the Toyota 4Runner, Tacoma, Tundra, Fj Cruiser, 200 series Land Cruiser, Ford Raptor, and so on do it everyday.

What on earth are you talking about????

Is an IFS truck going to go bouldering like an solid axle truck? Certainly not but the bouldering aspect is not at all what Ford has ever marketed the Bronco for and highly doubt anyone is planning to buy one for that.

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Black I’m sorry but while those US Toyota’s might be alright for dirt roads they will not stand up to hard use day after day. The only Toyota’s that are super reliable and capable are the 79 and 110 Series Land Cruisers. Unfortunately they are not available in the US...
For us in the US Jeeps are the best Offroad vehicle if you’re serious about true Offroad traveling... (flame suit on!).

As far as the Ford Bronco, I’m with the majority in that Ford, once again, is going to miss the mark...[/QUOTE]

There are Hilux, Isuzu, and more with IFS that are crushing anything thrown at them on a daily basis in Australia. Saying they aren’t capable or won’t take a beating is nonsense.
Take a look at any 4wd Action video they deal with some of the harshest terrain in the world and almost always have an IFS rig or two in the convoy.

I too agree that Ford is likely to screw up the Bronco but having IFS will not be the reason.

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Originally posted by 911Boss:
So pardon a dumb question from someone who has never off-roaded beyond fire service roads....

What is the benefit of a solid front axle over IFS on a truck?

Typically a solid axle provides more articulation for rock crawling. IFS is going to provide a better ride and more controlled handling especially over rush surfaces at higher speeds.

I'm excited for this vehicle and will definitely be in the market for the fullsize. Not sure why everyone is shitting on it so badly. What is it that you want? A vehicle with zero creature comforts, the safety of the 1960s, a leaky soft top, and a ride that feels like falling down stairs? I've owned five Fords in my lifetime, 3 of which had the Ecoboost . Ford is by no means perfect, but name a car manufacturer that is.

To the naysayers, I ask you this; will you ever use the full capability of a solid axle, or are are you most likely to enjoy the IFS? Have you ever been in a situation where you needed a locking diff, or would you just like it for the sake of bragging. If needed, I submit the following pictures for my off-roading bona-fides. They represent what IMHO are the only true fullsize offroad rigs made. I've pulled out more lifted and stock Jeep Wranglers than I care to admit.

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Originally posted by Black92LX:
Ohh wait, Never mind the Toyota 4Runner, Tacoma, Tundra, Fj Cruiser, 200 series Land Cruiser, Ford Raptor, and so on do it everyday.

What on earth are you talking about????

Stop it. Why don't you todder on off to YouTube and look up a few Moab videos and tell me what vehicle you see over and over. Or take a headcount of which vehicle occupies the majority of the local off road club's garages. I'm talking about real off road capabilities, not idling around in the woods, playing in a puddle, or driving kids to soccer practice. Now if you want to argue that little blue POS will be bought by housewives and metro college grads to tool back and forth to the grocery store and Starbuck's, I highly doubt it, but that would at least be an argument. That vehicle is the definition of a lead balloon, a vehicle in search of a market, and I'll lay money it will be nothing but Ford's latest embarrassment.

The big Bronco may yet prove to be a real competitor to Jeep. That of course assumes Ford ever let's us in on what it really is.

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Originally posted by Black92LX:
The Bronco is being marketed to the factory and moderately modified Jeeps.
It will hold it’s own just fine and give a far more comfortable ride doing it.

Oh my god. Really! There's not a single production vehicle available from Ford to substantiate that claim. Until Ford puts a vehicle in the hands of independent testers to pit against competitive offers from Jeep, no one will know how these new offers from Ford will fare. No one. And as has been mentioned by me and others throughout this thread, Ford hasn't been very successful of late meeting customer expectations, so that leaves me especially reluctant to assume anything about the new 'Big' Broncos.