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Coin Sniper |
I'm not going to speculate on motive or conspiracy and I don't think anyone else should either. However given the rapid fire heard on the video, the distance and elevation, it would appear that this was simply a spray lead at an crowded area attack, clearly trying to do as much damage as fast as possible. Pronoun: His Royal Highness and benevolent Majesty of all he surveys 343 - Never Forget Its better to be Pavlov's dog than Schrodinger's cat There are three types of mistakes; Those you learn from, those you suffer from, and those you don't survive. | |||
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Resident Knuckledragger |
Absolutely heartbreaking. Apparently the perp took his own life after his spree. Fucking jackwad. | |||
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Cat Whisperer |
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Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
Well, that's the understatement of the day. There doesn't have to be a reason, at least not like the one you're looking for. He may have been just a very angry man who finally exploded. Sometimes that's all it is. As I said earlier, senseless in the extreme. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan "Once there was only dark. If you ask me, light is winning." ~Rust Cohle | |||
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"Expert" on Foxnews said that the rate of fire was inconsistent thus leading him to believe that a bump-fire system was used to simulate full auto fire. | |||
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| Crusty old curmudgeon  |
I don't have anything to contribute to the conversation except to say that I can't wrap my head around this. The idea that a 64 yr old white guy could have recently converted to Islam and become radicalized in a short period of time makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. In a way I'm hoping that it comes out that he had a brain tumor like Charles Whitman, the Texas tower shooter. At this early stage, it is the only thing that would make sense to me. After hearing reports from people at the scene, it amazes me the heroic actions of concert goers trying to save victims. There are reports of some that were putting their fingers in wound channels and others carrying people on their shoulders to safety. Unbelievable how so many could react heroically to something that horrific under those conditions. I pray for the victims and their families. I can't imagine this kind of loss. ________________________ "If you can't be a good example, then you'll have to be a horrible warning" -Catherine Aird | |||
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| Cat Whisperer |
I would imagine that with so many people shoulder to shoulder and nuts to butts packed in an area, it wouldn't take a ton of aiming to do a lot of damage, especially with a larger round. ------------------------------------ 135 ├┼┼╕ 246R | |||
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| Little ray of sunshine  |
I heard an audio clip of shooting. It sounded like full auto? Any word on that? Maybe I hear the police? Maybe I misheard? The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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This makes the most sense. Aldean probably had no idea what was happening. Even if he did, all of us would like to think we would be heroic in the moment, but unless we have experience and training in law enforcement or military combat, we don't know how we would react. . | |||
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Absolutely senseless and if it was anger, so be it. I'm not buying it though. We've all probably seen an angry outburst in our lives, hopefully not violent, and they're exactly that. Outbursts that no one saw coming and spur of the moment brought on by anger. This was planned. I'd rather be hated for who I am than loved for who I'm not. | |||
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There is video of him singing and you can hear the gun fire and just turns and leaves. I'm sure he was told to evacuate. I doubt anyone could hear the gunfire over the music. Not going to link it here tho. Hedley Lamarr: Wait, wait, wait. I'm unarmed. Bart: Alright, we'll settle this like men, with our fists. Hedley Lamarr: Sorry, I just remembered . . . I am armed. | |||
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Nullus Anxietas |
I have never felt comfortable in such crowds. Back when I used to go to concerts I stuck to smaller venues or I chose seating, rather than joining the mass down on the floor, in front of the stage. For example: Went to an Aerosmith concert at the Pontiac (Mich) Silverdome, back in the day. It was a great concert, but what was going on down on the floor I wanted no part of. These days I avoid crowded venues of all types. This is so utterly sad  "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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Now in Florida |
All this speculation on what kind of weapon was used is pointless. There is no point guessing whether it was full auto, belt-fed, bump-fire, semi-auto modified to be full auto, legal or illegal, etc. The police have recovered the weapons and will let us know soon enough exactly what they were. | |||
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Lighten up and laugh |
Totally fair points and I said I didn't fault him. It was just a strange visual to see him bolt off stage and hear his fans say what is going on. I was honestly asking and not bashing him. He probably did the right thing. | |||
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Based purely on the audio, it sounded like a low-cyclic belt-feed. There's a lot of variables that contribute to how audio comes across, echo and resonance among many factors that can alter sounds. If anything, he may have loaded up a bunch of 60 & 90-rd mags and kept up a consistent pull. | |||
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| Coin Sniper |
I've seen a lot of video, they are running it endlessly and something does stand out. I love Gatling guns, always have. I've watched dozens of videos on them and even seen one fired live at a demonstration. The tempo of fire that I hear every time I hear that video trips 'hand cranked' in my mind. Maybe it is just acoustics and echo but it seems like the tempo isn't consistent, sometimes faster, sometimes slower, I don't recall ever hearing an M-16, M60, SAW, M2 or any other full auto weapon vary tempo in firing. Perhaps these were just semi auto rifles with those hand crank trigger mechanisms attached Pronoun: His Royal Highness and benevolent Majesty of all he surveys 343 - Never Forget Its better to be Pavlov's dog than Schrodinger's cat There are three types of mistakes; Those you learn from, those you suffer from, and those you don't survive. | |||
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Heartbreaking beyond belief. My thoughts are with all those murdered and injured as well as their families. I can't imagine the suffering. ____________________________ "It is easier to fool someone than to convince them they have been fooled." Unknown observer of human behavior. | |||
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| You don’t fix faith, River. It fixes you.  |
I am just reading about this. Absolutely heart breaking. My prayers go out to them. Such an evil bastard. ---------------------------------- "If you are not prepared to use force to defend civilization, then be prepared to accept barbarism.." - Thomas Sowell | |||
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Official Space Nerd |
They make (or at least they used to) hand cranks for Ruger 10-22s. The crank would activate the trigger as the handle was turned (multiple times per rotation, IIRC). It provided for rapid fire without a 'bump fire' or full-auto conversion. Maybe he had an AR with a butt-load of 100-round mags and fitted a hand-crank to it? Or maybe he bought a SAW (or multiple ones) - they sell them in semi-auto form for the commercial market, and IIRC, they are mag- AND belt-fed. A local gun store has one on display. If he got a hand-crank for it and fired from a belt, it would be almost indiscernible from a full-auto weapon. Fear God and Dread Nought Admiral of the Fleet Sir Jacky Fisher | |||
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Plowing straight ahead come what may |
Or one of those "binary triggers". ******************************************************** "we've gotta roll with the punches, learn to play all of our hunches Making the best of what ever comes our way Forget that blind ambition and learn to trust your intuition Plowing straight ahead come what may And theres a cowboy in the jungle" Jimmy Buffet | |||
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