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Get on the fifty!
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I've heard changes in rate of fire in MG's before FWIW


This video is pretty disturbing but it's what happened in the thick of it. Apologies if these are too much, will remove if thats the case.
https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=49b_1506926469

At a distance when first started. You can hear the bullets hitting prior to the thump from the muzzle when it starts:
https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fd4_1506925351

Using fences as stretchers.
https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e68_1506929459

I mean no disrespect to the victims posting these.



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A witness just stated that at one point he saw a bunch of officers crouched behind a squad car with their weapons pointed at Mandalay Bay while others were tending to an officer who was lying on the ground.

I know an off duty officer was reported as one of the casualties but this was the first report of an active duty officer down.




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Do yourselves a favor.

Don't eat lunch or don't listen to the news.

This has affected me so much that 5 minutes after eating while watching the news I was vomiting it back up.





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Based on President Trump's speech, have they established a time line from the first shots fired to the explosive breach?

I watched a few minutes of some news show this morning that had the audio from the radio traffic of SWAT. The team leader was calm and cool telling his units in the hall to back out for the breach.

The President alluded to the fact that from first shots fired to the breach, and if that is correct, there is no telling how many lives were saved.

Sounds like SWAT was on their game, and they saved countless lives by quick thinking and good tactics.




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Ethics, antics,
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So disgusted and angry! Heart-felt condolences, thoughts, and prayers for all directly or indirectly affected by this heinous act of evil which includes all of us. This is the definition of domestic terrorism. Many acts of heroism and humanity amid the chaos and by those giving blood. The investigation continues and I'm sure will be thorough and revealing.


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I really hope they arrive at a suspected motivation sometime soon.

I cannot imagine holding enough hatred to do this ever. But I guess that's what we speak of when we say 'pure evil'

Never the less, I still just don't get it
 
Posts: 2602 | Location: Atlanta, GA | Registered: June 02, 2002Report This Post
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He put too much effort into this. These psychos are too arrogant not to leave a message behind, we just haven't heard it yet.
 
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Never the less, I still just don't get it


It's evil, pure and simple.


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Do yourselves a favor.

Don't eat lunch or don't listen to the news.

This has affected me so much that 5 minutes after eating while watching the news I was vomiting it back up.
Man, keep that shit out of here. Not the time, not the place. Just stow it
 
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Oh stewardess,
I speak jive.
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Wow, that's horrible, and makes little sense.

At least he's dead and the worst part of it is over, but what a tragic mess.

My heart goes out to those affected and their loved ones.

I look forward to some answers to the big and lingering questions.
 
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HRC is using this horrible tragedy to slam the NRA and warn about the SHARE Act silencer bill before congress: "The crowd fled at the sound of gunshots. Imagine the deaths if the shooter had a silencer, which the NRA wants to make easier to get." HRC tweets on LV Dancing over the bleeding bodies, she is.
Keep that shit out of this thread.

Read the thread and use your head.
 
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Originally posted by Rightwire:

The FBI responded to the ISIS claim by stating that their is no known connection at this time, but the investigation continues.


ISIS are just opportunists who want to claim every terrible incident as their work. Much like democrats wanting to use it as an excuse to promote gun control. Both groups are disgusting.


The motives of past shooters, if revealed, needed more than 12 hours to pinpoint. Lone shooter, ISIS or AntiFA or any other group, yes or no, is going to take days of poring through computers, accounts, cell phone data, physical evidence, etc. And we're talkin' about the FBI here, who have not exactly been showing their best in the last couple of years.

And to those who can't fathom how a guy can get multiple rifles into a casino hotel, Front Sight is nearby, lots of guys stay on the strip with their guns, Shot Show is also on the strip as well. Hotel staff are not strangers to cases of firearms rolling through their lobbies.



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You dig
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Originally posted by rburg:
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Originally posted by Rightwire:

The FBI responded to the ISIS claim by stating that their is no known connection at this time, but the investigation continues.


ISIS are just opportunists who want to claim every terrible incident as their work. Much like democrats wanting to use it as an excuse to promote gun control. Both groups are disgusting.


The motives of past shooters, if revealed, needed more than 12 hours to pinpoint. Lone shooter, ISIS or AntiFA or any other group, yes or no, is going to take days of poring through computers, accounts, cell phone data, physical evidence, etc. And we're talkin' about the FBI here, who have not exactly been showing their best in the last couple of years.

And to those who can't fathom how a guy can get multiple rifles into a casino hotel, Front Sight is nearby, lots of guys stay on the strip with their guns, Shot Show is also on the strip as well. Hotel staff are not strangers to cases of firearms rolling through their lobbies.


That is an interesting point, I wonder if Shot Show will relocate. Wouldn't surprise me and would probably be understandable.
 
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The videos that Andyb posted give you a real view of panic in a crowd.




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Oh stewardess,
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Those poor folks at the show - you can see the chaos and fear in those Liveleak videos.

And I agree, at least from those videos, the rate of fire sounds auto-ish but slower and more inconsistent than I'd expect.
 
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Originally posted by saigonsmuggler:
"Expert" on Foxnews said that the rate of fire was inconsistent thus leading him to believe that a bump-fire system was used to simulate full auto fire.


I'm sure they are waking Gregg Jarrett up to come in, get make up, and explain about full auto and bullet buttons.




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Noon Eastern Brief by LV Sheriff. He is doing a stellar job.






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Originally posted by saigonsmuggler:
"Expert" on Foxnews said that the rate of fire was inconsistent thus leading him to believe that a bump-fire system was used to simulate full auto fire.


Is this the same guy who just said that full auto conversion kits can be easily bought online or under the counter at gun shows? Who is writing this guy his material? Roll Eyes




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That is an interesting point, I wonder if Shot Show will relocate. Wouldn't surprise me and would probably be understandable.


WHY?

SHOT is locked-in contractually for several more years with Sands CC. No reason a tragedy like this should stunt SHOT or, any other show. Not to mention nobody wants to return to Orlando.
 
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