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| Peace through superior firepower  |
Don't tell me to calm down. I'd have to get excited before I would need to calm down. If you can't see what's going on with these thugs, that's not my problem. The players have no right of any kind to "protest" when they're suited up and representing their employer. Nothing these two digit IQ thugs are doing with this shit is worthy of any respect. Quite the opposite. | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money  |
How is it that nearly every member of this forum understands that, but not a single owner of one of these NFL franchises will state that simple truth? They are afraid of something. They are afraid that if they confront their employees their entire empire will crumble. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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Nope, its actually going to open the door wider for fans to depart. We'd all have to be delusional to not see what's coming given the player's union comments. Players are going to come out onto the field, kneel during the anthem, get fined, and then 1) the teams are going to pay the fines for them or 2) the player's union is going to fight the fines and win. All the while more and more fans are going to wash their hands of the NFL as this BS continues. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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Which is why I can't wrap my head around why the owners don't get this reality, and are allowing the gutter trash and thugs they've put on the field to severely screw with their golden goose. I actually have more contempt for the owners at this point then the mindless morons prancing around the field. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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Well now the league is going to fine clubs that allow kneeling, and the morons insist on digging the hole deeper. https://www.google.com/amp/amp...onal-anthem-pay-fine When they go out of business, all of them will swear they can’t understand why. | |||
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Didn't the owners approve this? Bunch of maroons. Now I'm hearing rumblings from the dark side of boycotts in response to the new rule. The NFL can take some large veiny karma and suck it! Mongo only pawn in game of life... | |||
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Do you really believe that, they have no right of any kind to protest. You think this is something they should be arrested and prosecuted for ? I can go along with it being dumb, offensive and subject to employer discipline including termination, but they certainly have a 1st amendment right to express themselves
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| Sigforum K9 handler |
Yeah, I agree they have no right. Their employer has firmly said no, and if they want to do dumb shit that their employer has told them no, then they can go the way of Kapercrap. They knowingly forfeit those “rights” while they are on clock just like people on our military do, or quite frankly any employee that agrees to random searches by their employer as a condition of employment. | |||
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Are you really that obtuse? Do you even know what the First Amendment is all about? NO ONE is even remotely suggesting arresting them. Sheesh.  | |||
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Meh, go on an kneel, I hope they do all year long, even more of them, kneel, take a hand, make some s'mores and sing Kum-By-Yah or Hand the World A Coke. I'm not watching, or buying any NFL crap anyway and them doing it just reinforces the thought process of overpaid sports athletes and energizes people to dislike them even more. The more they protest the less it means, when you consider the amount of pay these player earn, the amount they spend on cars, houses, tv, jewelry and all the bling and yet the solution to the problem is to take a knee. As a group they won't take any of those hundreds of millions of dollars to create medium with tax deducible donations to help those they claim are suffering it's clear to all that its about them, not about addressing the problem... IIRC, 1A addresses the restrictions on the government as it regards to the government curtailing free speech. 1A provides individuals with no protection or rights to what you can or cannot say and what can or cannot be done about it. | |||
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Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
Arrested and prosecuted? Say what, dawg? ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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When someone is "on the clock" they have ZERO right to protest; especially if it is forbiddn by their employer. The first amendment does not apply. When they are on their own time they can do whatever they wish. When they are on their employers time they obey the rules of the workplace or face disciplinary action. Screaming "erh ma ghad, FIRST AMMENDMENT" does not grant you carte blance to do and say whatever you want, whenever you want. Oh and by the way, the first amendment protects you from government censorship, not censorship by private employers while on their time, i.e. being paid to perform a job. If you accept their compensation, you accept their rules. You know, like a work contract. | |||
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For me the most amazing thing about all this is that people still go the games, buy the junk and pour money into the NFL. I know they have been hurt by people who have objected to the kneeling, but its not nearly enough. End of Earth: 2 Miles Upper Peninsula: 4 Miles | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower |
?? You quoted what I said: "The players have no right of any kind to 'protest' when they're suited up and representing their employer." Now, what's unclear about that? No, and I have said no such thing, nor has anyone else in this thread. Fined, suspended or fired- that would be appropriate disciplinary action against these whining, pissing children, preferably fired. Yes, they do have such a right, but not when they are working. Not when they are suited up and on the field. Frankly, in looking at your comments, I don't think you have any concept about the intention of the First Amendment. "Congress shall make no law..." And, all that aside, these pampered crybaby assholes have precisely nothing to complain about. It's so freakin' stupid that some of the most pampered, coddled and OVER PAID people on the planet are hollering about being oppressed. You want to talk about arresting NFL players? Just wait around a few days and another one of these whining, spoiled jerks from the National Felon League will pull some stupid shit in a club, or in a car or with their girlfriend and end up getting arrested. The NFL is an embarrassment to this nation, and many, many other people in this nation feel the same way, and the number grows each day. ____________________________________________________ "I am your retribution." - Donald Trump, speech at CPAC, March 4, 2023 | |||
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I am done with the nfl. In the past they have already banned players from wearing stickers to honor fallen police officers, a hat with a cross on it (in a post game interview), stickers to honor people fighting cancer, and many other examples. But when it comes to kneeling for the national anthem the nfl was OK with it! They can kiss my butt. | |||
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??? what does a right mean to you ? Apparently they do have that right to protest. What consequence do you see them suffering for protesting? Does the NFL or the owners have the power to stop this nonsence by punishing those that do it ? Sure. That dosent trump the players right to protest.
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| Internet Guru |
Good grief, No one is saying the thugs can't protest. They could have spent their entire off season protesting. They can do it all week long when not required to be at practice. They can protest before games...after games...in the car on the way to games...in bed at night. | |||
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Hopefully, they will see a dramatic drop in season ticket sales this year and realize that they have really screwed the pooch. | |||
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| Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
You're talking about Constitutional rights as if they have anything at all to do with this conversation. They don't. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money |
Are you dense?
The question is "Do they have the right to protest while at work?" The answer is NO. They don't own the stage. They are just the actors. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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