So if a player doesn't come out during the anthem, we can presume he would've knelt during the anthem had he been required to come out...

This is like taking money out of your left pocket, putting it in your right pocket and thinking you have more money.

I haven't watched the NFL in 3+ years. My life has moved on just fine and I'm sure I'll be fine without watching them again. Bunch of goons getting paid millions of dollars to play a kids game.

To all that, I say “hey, go for it.” Hard to a earn them ridiculous paychecks with no butts in the seats. We will next be guilted and shamed about how awful we are for not supporting the poor, disenfranchised NFL players who only wanted to make a difference in the lives of the next generation of upcoming America-hating thugs. And I will continue to give smaller fractions of a shit.

I have the right to stand for the national anthem, and others have the right not to. The first amendment is just as important as the second amendment. The first amendment gives people the right to spout any stupid shit they want, the question is why do the owners put up with it when their employees piss of the customers? The reason is simple, the media and entertainment is full of people pushing a certain political agenda. Anything remotely in line with the mass media party line is considered good no matter where it comes from. High school teachers, sports stars, and anyone else are allowed to spew as long as they follow the late night talk show script. panem et circenses

I will not watch them.

as others have said, too little, too late!

next!

The best part of this is that it amounts to an admission that they fucked up on this topic from the get go and they are really feeling the hurt from it.

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Originally posted by bigwagon:
The best part of this is that it amounts to an admission that they fucked up on this topic from the get go and they are really feeling the hurt from it.

Yes, they did fuck up. Stupid hurts and it is suppose to for a reason.

Let them do what they want. Free country. They have the right to protest (if their employers let them) and we have the right to ignore their protest.

As we say in Amateur Radio - 'If you don't like the conversation, spin the dial (change the channel in channelized systems like TV).'

NFL - not for long

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It speaks volumes about their lack of patriotism when you couple the kneeling during the anthem with the revelation that the military paid the NFL to promote the military and act patriotic since 9/11.

That’s not really true.

The military only paid for a few events with a few NFL teams, and they also paid other professional sports, including NHL, MLB and NASCAR, for the same type of spots. They never paid the NFL itself a dime. The NFL has banned teams from accepting any money since.

Not every pro military thing that you see in the NFL, or even from those few teams, was paid for and from what I understand it was only for a short period of time from 2011-2014. It was a recruiting tool and nothing more. You don’t get upset when you see a commercial on TV for the military do you? You know the military paid for those. This was no different.

I’m sure nobody will acknowledge this since I’ve probably written the same thing a dozen times and because it doesn’t fit the “fuck the NFL” mission statement people tend to ignore it. But as a supporter of the truth I’ll just keep putting it out there even when it’s an unpopular truth.

Funny I’ve never once seen anyone complain about it in threads about NHL, MLB or NASCAR. I guess since those sports are generally better liked the truth matters there.

Perhaps you should look in the mirror instead of out the window. What I mean is that you're talking down to Sigforumites (aka looking out the window), but fail to realize that you're (aka looking in the mirror) not gaining any traction because you come off like an ass and you fail to post any links to support dropping in a dozen times to shit on fellow Sigforumites.

Here, is a story of 6.1 out of 6.8 million dollars for paid patriotism went to the NFL. Additionally, the NFL is embarrassed enough by the revelation becoming public that they've refunded a portion of the money.

Here, is a story about 10.4 million going to professional sports with:

62 out of 122 being for paid patriotism.

the NFL being the largest beneficiary.

The NFL even charged for returning troops to be honored. How is that anything remotely resembling paying for a television ad?

Based on the stories I read (including the two I linked), the NFL received more paid patriotism than the NHL, NBA, MLB, MLS, and NASCAR combined so it's logical that people have more disdain for the NFL than the other sports. We can have more disdain for the NFL and simultaneously have disdain for the other professional sports. Additionally, Sigforumites writing one sentence don't need to attach a thesis about everyone else the one sentence applies to.

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I don't think the NFL will win back many lost fans with this move. At best, it may slow the bleeding a bit.

no fan but I do respect the players right to protest. I only request they respect my right to not give a crap about their league, game, players, owners, fans, sponsors or communities stupid enough to build them stadiums.


QUOTE]Originally posted by mikeyspizza:
I was listening to NPR today (know your enemy and all that), and they had this Dave Zirin clown on. He writes sports for The Nation.

He says that athletes have the right to protest and fans should respect that right. Well, guess what, I agree! - just do it off the clock on your own f’ing time!

He says the issue is about labor rights. I call bullshit. And, he thinks some players might just walk out or whatever. Good! Now GTFO![/QUOTE]

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Originally posted by Scott in NCal:
no fan but I do respect the players right to protest. I only request they respect my right to not give a crap about their league, game, players, owners, fans, sponsors or communities stupid enough to build them stadiums.

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Originally posted by mikeyspizza:
I was listening to NPR today (know your enemy and all that), and they had this Dave Zirin clown on. He writes sports for The Nation.

He says that athletes have the right to protest and fans should respect that right. Well, guess what, I agree! - just do it off the clock on your own f’ing time!

He says the issue is about labor rights. I call bullshit. And, he thinks some players might just walk out or whatever. Good! Now GTFO!

You got that right, mikeyspizza.

Didn’t watch before and definitely won’t watch it now.

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Originally posted by Scott in NCal:
no fan but I do respect the players right to protest. I only request they respect my right to not give a crap about their league, game, players, owners, fans, sponsors or communities stupid enough to build them stadiums.

Why do people keep saying it's the players right, the first amendment, blah blah blah? The first amendment has absolutely nothing to do with this conversation. These players have no right to sit on their asses and expect no consequences from their employer. That's not what the first amendment is about.

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Originally posted by Scott in NCal:
no fan but I do respect the players right to protest.

Are you employed? How tolerant is your employer with "protests" of any kind while you're on their clock? You know the answer to this question and so does everyone else.

It seems that people are blathering about rights to protest, while completely ignoring the fact that these spoiled crybaby assholes are doing this ridiculous shit when they're supposed to be working.

I guess it was the NFL commissioner I hear yammering about making sure that they have the "correct sort of social justice protests" or some such shit. For God's sake! If that doesn't tell you how lost these idiots are...

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Originally posted by 1967Goat:
It's a business, of course they are doing it "for the money". What business doesn't make decisions "for the money"?

The NFL, that's who. They tried to hide from this issue last year while their viewers and subscribers disappeared. Nothing short of a league wide rule suspending any player pulling this BS for multiple games would even get me to consider watching another NFL game. The owners completely blew it last year, and this BS isn't going to change that reality.

Yeah, the nfl showed its true colors by not only TOLERATING this asinine behaviour, but by CONDONING it by allowing it to continue. They refused to enforce the rules and standards of conduct that indicated players stand respectfully for The Anthem. All the while, they were spouting off about 'First Amendment Rights' of the players and ignoring the issue. Then, they watched their fan base leave in droves, saw their advertising money disappear by the hundreds of MILLIONS of $$$s, saw stadiums with thousands of empty seats, heard on social media from life-long fans that were burning their season tickets and over-priced nfl paraphernalia, and they STILL refused to stop it. Now, finally, it hurts enough that they come out with this half-measure in an effort to appease the fans they no longer have.

This tells me that the nfl 'leadership' agrees with the message their spoiled children players were sending.

Screw 'em. It's too late. The entire world now knows that the nfl is packed full of America-hating douchebags. The few good patriotic players who tried to make a stand against this crap (you know, by exercising THEIR 'First Amendment Rights') got universally shouted down and had to conform in order to keep their jobs (like that one former Army dude who, alone, stood for The Anthem on the field while the rest of his commie team-mates skulked in the locker room).


Anybody have any stats on sales of season passes this season versus 1-2 years past?

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Originally posted by rockchalk06:
3/4 season too late.

I stopped at week 2 last season. When bball season (NCAA) is over, I've focused on the NHL for the last 2 seasons. I enjoy the hell out of it too.

If this happened in the NHL, Doug the Thug would be sent out immediately to re-educate the turd.

That's why I'm enjoying it

It’s all a rouse. The NFL has lost so much money they are trying to backpedal. The NewYohkistan Jets are telling their players do what you want, we’ll “pay the fine”! Yup they are serious, NOT!

I never considered football to be a real job anyway: since the NFL isn’t treating their players as employees and disciplining them, it only emphasizes this.

They should be treated as if they are at work, even more so with what those guys get paid. ::barf::

The NFL agreed to 1 billion dollar deal to pay, or help pay medical bills from ex players suffering from CTE, Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s, etc, and they aren’t paying. They fucked up this kneeling stud last year. The deck is stacked, just turn it off permanently and go to the range instead.

calm down my friend, I think we agree, I am retired and self employed now , so this is how I will responed. Do i have a job, yes. Do I have the right to protest, yes. Can the boss fire me if I do it on his time , yes. I wouldn't want it any other way. The entire point of a protest is to get someone to do something. Some times it Dosent work out like you want , example Yeti vs NRA. Now I am self employed, I am fine with my clients firing me, or discriminating against me for any reason they want. I am not ssying it should be the law but if they don't want me working for them because of my race, sex, religion exct I don't want to work for them anyway. Find someone else to do it, i will go where I am wanted.

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Originally posted by Scott in NCal:
no fan but I do respect the players right to protest.

Are you employed? How tolerant is your employer with "protests" of any kind while you're on their clock? You know the answer to this question and so does everyone else.

It seems that people are blathering about rights to protest, while completely ignoring the fact that these spoiled crybaby assholes are doing this ridiculous shit when they're supposed to be working.

I guess it was the NFL commissioner I hear yammering about making sure that they have the "correct sort of social justice protests" or some such shit. For God's sake! If that doesn't tell you how lost these idiots are...