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I was led to believe this knealing thing was a non issue. Wasn’t a financial burden at all. Just another way to make your feelings known.

Fuck ‘em. Maybe I’ll like professional kickball better.


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So if both sides kneel, will the offsetting penalties result in replaying the National Anthem?


Very good question (and a good laugh).




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So if both sides kneel, will the offsetting penalties result in replaying the National Anthem?


Very good question (and a good laugh).


That's why there needs to be mandatory fines as well.


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The NFL can go to hell.

I'll NEVER watch another of their games...ever.


'nuff said.


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Too little too late.

Take a 2nd half timeout away from kneeling teams. Having one less timeout in the 2nd half is much more painful than 15 yards at beginning of game.

Also, as others have pointed out if both teams do it then 15 yard penalties are offsetting (i.e. nothing happens). However, if both teams do it and the penalty is loss of 2nd half time out for both teams then both teams shot themselves in the foot.



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The penalty didn't happen. The NFL owners voted and here is the new national anthem policy.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/...tional-anthem-policy

ATLANTA -- NFL owners have unanimously approved a new national anthem policy that requires players to stand if they are on the field during the performance but gives them the option to remain in the locker room if they prefer, it was announced Wednesday.

The policy subjects teams to a fine if a player or any other team personnel do not show respect for the anthem. That includes any attempt to sit or kneel, as dozens of players have done during the past two seasons. Those teams will also have the option to fine any team personnel, including players, for the infraction.


"This season, all league and team personnel shall stand and show respect for the flag and the Anthem," NFL commissioner Roger Goodell said in a statement. "Personnel who choose not to stand for the Anthem may stay in the locker room until after the Anthem has been performed.

"We believe today's decision will keep our focus on the game and the extraordinary athletes who play it -- and on our fans who enjoy it."

A vote took place at the conclusion of the league's spring meetings and was approved by all 32 owners.

The requirement that all players be on the field during the playing of the national anthem will be removed from the league's game operations manual, allowing for those who wish not to stand to remain in the locker room or "a similar location off the field" until the playing of the national anthem is complete.

Goodell said the NFL is "dedicated to continuing our collaboration with players to advance the goals of justice and fairness in all corners of our society."

After spending months in discussions, owners believe this found a compromise that will end sitting or kneeling with an edict that stops short of requiring every player to stand.

The previous policy required players to be on the field for the anthem but said only that they "should" stand. When then-San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick began kneeling to protest police brutality in 2016, the league had no rule it could use to prevent it. The movement drew increasing criticism from President Donald Trump, as well as many fans, who believed it was a sign of disrespect toward the flag and country.

Owners, however, had been divided on how to extricate the league from that criticism. Some owners, including the Dallas Cowboys' Jerry Jones and the Houston Texans' Bob McNair, wanted all players to stand. Others, such as the New York Jets' Christopher Johnson, wanted to avoid any appearance of muzzling players.

Even the seemingly simple option of clearing the field prior to the anthem was rejected by some owners who thought it would be interpreted as a mass protest or at least a sign of disrespect.


"The efforts by many of our players sparked awareness and action around issues of social justice that must be addressed," Goodell said in the statement. "The platform that we have created together is certainly unique in professional sports and quite likely in American business. We are honored to work with our players to drive progress.

"It was unfortunate that on-field protests created a false perception among many that thousands of NFL players were unpatriotic. This is not and was never the case."

Kaepernick and former 49ers safety Eric Reid have both filed collusion cases against the league after failing to find jobs as free agents.

The new policy is an adjustment to the NFL's game operations manual and thus does not need to be collectively bargained.

"We were not consulted ahead of this meeting on any potential changes to the anthem policy," NFL Players Association assistant executive director of external affairs George Atallah said in a statement. "If there are changes to the policy that put players in a position where they could be disciplined or fined, we are going to do what we always do -- fight anything that encroaches on players' rights to the end."
 
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It's a business, of course they are doing it "for the money". What business doesn't make decisions "for the money"?
The NFL, that's who. They tried to hide from this issue last year while their viewers and subscribers disappeared. Nothing short of a league wide rule suspending any player pulling this BS for multiple games would even get me to consider watching another NFL game. The owners completely blew it last year, and this BS isn't going to change that reality.


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"If there are changes to the policy that put players in a position where they could be disciplined or fined, we are going to do what we always do -- fight anything that encroaches on players' rights to the end."
And with any luck, the "end" will be right around the corner. See ya.


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3/4 season too late.

I stopped at week 2 last season. When bball season (NCAA) is over, I've focused on the NHL for the last 2 seasons. I enjoy the hell out of it too.


If this happened in the NHL, Doug the Thug would be sent out immediately to re-educate the turd.



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"It was unfortunate that on-field protests created a false perception among many that thousands of NFL players were unpatriotic. This is not and was never the case."



Try again.


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To me, it’s simple. You kneel, you don’t play and don’t get paid for the game. If the team does not have enough players to safely play the game? Then the team forfeits and everybody goes home.

That will fix the issue and I know it’s wishful thinking.

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NASCAR and the NFL seem to be in a race to see who can lose the most fans the fastest.


Whats the beef against NASCAR? I've decided that the only sports I will watch are NHL games and NASCAR but I haven't gotten into NASCAR yet. Should I cross that off my list?
 
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I can't put this in a big enough font size:

FTNFL!!!




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"It was unfortunate that on-field protests created a false perception among many that thousands of NFL players were unpatriotic. This is not and was never the case."



Try again.
Agreed.

It speaks volumes about their lack of patriotism when you couple the kneeling during the anthem with the revelation that the military paid the NFL to promote the military and act patriotic since 9/11.

Fuck the NFL. I've enjoyed having my Sundays and Monday nights back, and it makes me enjoy college football all themore.



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Goodell seems to be horrible at crisis management. I'm surprised he seems to remain popular with owners.
 
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NASCAR and the NFL seem to be in a race to see who can lose the most fans the fastest.


Whats the beef against NASCAR? I've decided that the only sports I will watch are NHL games and NASCAR but I haven't gotten into NASCAR yet. Should I cross that off my list?


Nothing overtly political, or I would’ve heard a tirade from my brother. What I have heard from him is that they keep changing silly things that piss off car fans. Blackmore’s muddling the topic here.


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I say just bag the Anthem as part of professional sports. Not sure why a contest of athletes needs to be associated with patriotism.

I'm not against patriotism of course - just saying the two don't need to be associated with each other.

A football game has nothing to do with love of country.

It has everything to do with making money for ownership, and I suppose is of entertainment value.

We don't play or sing the Anthem for other events like this. Rock concerts, movies, etc. Why do we carve out an exception for sports?


You meant this sincerely?

You just don't get it?


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It speaks volumes about their lack of patriotism when you couple the kneeling during the anthem with the revelation that the military paid the NFL to promote the military and act patriotic since 9/11.



That’s not really true.

The military only paid for a few events with a few NFL teams, and they also paid other professional sports, including NHL, MLB and NASCAR, for the same type of spots. They never paid the NFL itself a dime. The NFL has banned teams from accepting any money since.

Not every pro military thing that you see in the NFL, or even from those few teams, was paid for and from what I understand it was only for a short period of time from 2011-2014. It was a recruiting tool and nothing more. You don’t get upset when you see a commercial on TV for the military do you? You know the military paid for those. This was no different.

I’m sure nobody will acknowledge this since I’ve probably written the same thing a dozen times and because it doesn’t fit the “fuck the NFL” mission statement people tend to ignore it. But as a supporter of the truth I’ll just keep putting it out there even when it’s an unpopular truth.

Funny I’ve never once seen anyone complain about it in threads about NHL, MLB or NASCAR. I guess since those sports are generally better liked the truth matters there.




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NASCAR and the NFL seem to be in a race to see who can lose the most fans the fastest.


Whats the beef against NASCAR? I've decided that the only sports I will watch are NHL games and NASCAR but I haven't gotten into NASCAR yet. Should I cross that off my list?
NASCAR is fine, none of the kneeling bullshit. It's just that they are losing fans/having attendance issues - many of the old favorites are gone.
 
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I was listening to NPR today (know your enemy and all that), and they had this Dave Zirin clown on. He writes sports for The Nation.

He says that athletes have the right to protest and fans should respect that right. Well, guess what, I agree! - just do it off the clock on your own f’ing time!

He says the issue is about labor rights. I call bullshit. And, he thinks some players might just walk out or whatever. Good! Now GTFO!
 
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