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Originally posted by bigdeal:

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Originally posted by bionic218:

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In the interest of discussion what changes in current gun laws would you consider?

None

^Yep. Not one inch.

Agreed.
I want to be able to buy machine guns out of vending machines.

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I've given this a lot of thought over the past few years and there are a few things that I would be OK with. <snip>

With all due respect, these are things I would consider "acceptable risk". We have countless things in our society that fall under this umbrella. Your example of a CDL is not truly analogous - driving is a privilege, not a right. (By law that is, we can argue this, there is intellectual reason to consider it a right in my opinion, but that's another discussion.)

For example, drinking. We consider drinking deaths (direct or indirect) an "acceptable risk" of allowing people to drink.

Smoking - same thing. Smoking disease and death is an "acceptable risk" of allowing the freedom of smoking.

Having a swimming pool - same thing. How many kids drown each year in home swimming pool "accidents"? Acceptable risk.

Voting - we accept voting fraud as an acceptable risk of the right to vote, to the extent we really don't even make an attempt at prosecution.

Now if you want to add the caveats and cost you are proposing to other constitutional rights (free speech, voting, etc.), then we can entertain a discussion. Until then, nope.

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Originally posted by goose5:
In the interest of discussion what changes in current gun laws would you consider?

I've given this a lot of thought over the past few years and there are a few things that I would be OK with.

For fuk's sake!
I won't quote your entire idiotic rant to save intelligent members here the headache of having to comprehend your level of stupid more than once.
You must have severe mommy and daddy issues to need such permissions from your benevolent government for your basic rights.
I suspect you wear a mask alone in your car, don't you.

Please keep it civil. We're just exploring ideas here. Nothing wrong with that.

So the media are the one's using the phrase "Breakthrough on Gun Control". Wasn't this just a bipartisan commitee that announced support of a proposal?? Is it concerning? yes - but a proposal is not a bill...

Wait until they release what is going to be in the bill - it will of course be absolutely crazy

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Originally posted by bigdeal:

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Originally posted by bionic218:

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In the interest of discussion what changes in current gun laws would you consider?

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^Yep. Not one inch.

Not one more fuckin' law or legislation. No more games, no more compromises to the left, because that is exactly what this is.

And to those who think there should be rules/laws for mental health & gun ownership- WHO gets to decide who is mentally fit and who is mentally deficient in regards to guns?

Here's a clue: it ain't gonna be folks like us.

We have over 20,000 gun laws in the USA and some spineless Politicians believe that ONE MORE gun law will stop people from killing each other.

Maybe they would like to make murder more illegal.

I've been hearing about "the boyfriend loophole." That's a new one I've never heard before. I expect the Democrats won't be able to contain themselves, and pack a whole bunch more in causing the Republicans to walk away. Democrats want the issue and not a solution.

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Originally posted by goose5:
Please keep it civil. We're just exploring ideas here. Nothing wrong with that.

There's a very big problem in that most men are too civil and don't speak the cold hard truth. I won't add to that problem.

How about a LAW that automatically removes any judge or prosecuting attorney from office if they give less than the maximum sentence without parole or tenders a plea bargain. Enough of this pinko pantywaist bullshit. Commit any crime with a gun and go to jail for the maximum suggested sentence. Come to think of it put the judge and/or attorney right beside them in lockdown for the same amount of time to be served. I think that would be some deference to these light sentences.

I don’t know if any of you have seen tha latest PSA from the Youth Advocate Program floating around on TV, but this one really takes the cake.

Tumani says “I may have committed some crimes, but I’m not a criminal.” No Tumani you ARE a criminal; by the very definition, a criminal is some one who commits crimes.

I don’t know how to embed the video, but here’s the link to their website.

https://www.yapinc.org/News/Ar...icleID/1130/2022-PSA

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In the interest of discussion what changes in current gun laws would you consider?

None

^Yep. Not one inch.

Nope. I’m with bobtheelf here. Playing defense and saying no is a loser. We need to be pushing the ball the other way. You want to talk about reasonable gun control laws? Great, so do I. I have three suggestions to start with:
Repeal the Hughes Amendment.
Repeal the Gun Control Act of 1968.
Repeal the National Firearms Act of 1932^H^H^H^H1934.
Once those reasonable, common sense, steps have been taken we can talk about what comes next. I don’t know if we need to go all the way to the government issuing machine guns to citizens like Switzerland, but maybe we should consider and discuss the idea.

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No debates. No talk. No more laws. Not one inch. A gun is a tool. It has a job but can not do its job without a person controlling it. Just like a car is tool. Just like a hammer is a tool. Just like a bat is a tool. It's an implement designed for a purpose(s).

Before one suggests limiting ownership of a gun because someone shot somebody else, first consider why there is zero talk of limiting ownership of cars/trucks after someone intentionally plowed into a crowd.

You want to do something for the children? Get drugs off the streets. I'll bet drugs are 10,000% more damaging to children than guns are. Just where is this war on drugs people talk about? I see no signs of existence. If anything, seems to be getting worse. I'm making up numbers but each "big" drug bust is, what, 1% of the total volume of drugs in use?

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Nope. I’m with bobtheelf here. Playing defense and saying no is a loser. We need to be pushing the ball the other way. You want to talk about reasonable gun control laws? Great, so do I. I have three suggestions to start with:
Repeal the Hughes Amendment.
Repeal the Gun Control Act of 1968.
Repeal the National Firearms Act of 1932.
Once those reasonable, common sense, steps have been taken we can talk about what comes next. I don’t know if we need to go all the way to the government issuing machine guns to citizens like Switzerland, but maybe we should consider and discuss the idea.

Agree - not inch. Roll the tide backwards.

Yeah, “we’re serious on gun safety”

That’s why Michigan State Representative Jewell Jones got multiple charges pled down as a result of a drunk driving crash including an expungement of a felony charge under the Youthful Offender. Act here. Play nice and walk away with nothing.

There also was one charge of assaulting a Paramedic at the scene that was not mentioned here.

From Wikipedia:

On May 26, 2018, Jones was pulled over for speeding, window tint, and having an obstructed license plate.[11] He was cited for driving with open intoxicants, although officers stated that Jones and all of the passengers were sober.[11][12] His arraignment for the misdemeanor charges was set for August 24, 2018.[11]

On April 6, 2021, Jones was arrested on charges stemming from a motor vehicle accident. Paramedics arrived first and observed a woman with her pants down, and Jones with his pants partially down.[13] When police arrived, Jones was charged with resisting and obstructing a police officer, operating a motor vehicle with high blood alcohol content, operating a motor vehicle while intoxicated, possession of a weapon under the influence of alcohol and reckless driving.[14] During the arrest, Jones told officers that he would call governor Gretchen Whitmer, and warned the officers that he runs the state budget. Jones's attorney denied that he resisted the arrest, and said that his statements regarding the governor and the budget were made in an attempt to stop the officers from using excessive force.[15][16]

On September 15, after being arraigned, Jones was found to have attempted to smuggle a handcuff key into the jail. The key was attached to the bottom of his foot, with clear tape

No favoritism here at all, nothing to see, just move on….

Four Out of 10 GOP Senators Backing Democrats' Gun Control Measures Are Retiring

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=63144

Four out of 10 GOP senators uniting with Democrats to support new gun control measures are retiring and five others are not up for reelection until 2026.

"[N]one of the 10 who endorsed Sunday's deal was facing voters this year. The group included four Republican senators who are leaving Congress at the end of the year — Roy Blunt of Missouri, Richard Burr of North Carolina, Rob Portman of Ohio and Patrick J. Toomey of Pennsylvania — and five who are not up for re-election for another four years: Mr. Cornyn, Thom Tillis of North Carolina, Bill Cassidy of Louisiana, Susan Collins of Maine and Lindsey Graham of South Carolina. Senator Mitt Romney of Utah will face voters in 2024," the New York Times reports.

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Originally posted by bionic218:

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In the interest of discussion what changes in current gun laws would you consider?

None

Repeal the 1934 NFA. Repeal the 1968 GCA. Repeal most of the FOPA of 1986. (Reagan was no friend of gun owners).

No to these "laws" it's more theater. Want to protect schools have armed guards on post.

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We need to be pushing the ball the other way.

This. Always this.

My suggestion for "compromise": let's only repeal half of all gun control laws this year. Next year, we'll discuss it.